Watch carnivorous squirrels chow down on tasty voles

ToplevelpoT

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I sometimes hand-feed the squirrels that hang out in my yard. I have been bit prolly a dozen times.
Two factors separate the one time That little shit drew blood and meant to(!), and all the other times. Their close in vision is poor so they "THINK" they are going for what you are offering. They can't see that they have a small chunk of my flesh in their soft teeth. No, they do not wanna let go of what you were "offering", even if they did not get their teeth on it.
At least no squirrel has died from the bite. I warn them all to get their shots.
 
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Oldmanalex

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A guy I used to work with maintained that his Steady State Theory for Mice was correct: if you kill a mouse, you're only making room for another mouse that will take its place. I suspect it applies to rats as well.
I grew up in wasp country, and the saying was that if you killed one wasp, two came to its funeral. In summer, no jelly jar was rinsed and put into the garbage until after it had been half filled with water and set out to drown 100 wasps.
 
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niftykev

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Right. Giant Carnivorous Dungeon Squirrels are now a thing players can encounter on the random monster tables. On second though, I better not let the druid learn about this.
It's fine, just house rule it as a monstrosity if it isn't already and stick to the rule that druids can only turn into beasts.

But dang, does that go totally against the rule of cool! Both the D&D move and BG3 have the owlbear wildshape and it's absolutely cool! Though in BG3 it should have been a later shape, because it does seem to be more exciting than the later shapes.
 
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Oldmanalex

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You might try dropping a bit of dry ice into the tunnels under that Generac. CO2 is heavier than air so it settles and the anything that doesn't leave the tunnels will asphyxiate.
When I was a stripling chemist (= adolescent pyromaniac) we had moles in the lawn, and every few days a new molehill would turn up. My dad was not the most practical of men, and readily agreed with my plan to gas them by putting a mixture of sulfur and sodium chlorate down selected holes, and then igniting it. It was all very satisfying, and smoke appeared from vents all over the lawn, and everyone agreed that I was very smart. The next morning it turned out that I had underestimated the resilience of the little bastards, and they had responded to the need to ventilate their tunnels of sulfur dioxide by digging at least 20 new molehills overnight. The lawn never recovered, but a few years later we got a cat who loved to catch moles, and did so regularly, until our useless mutt killed the useful cat.
 
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Pouring a Dewar flask full of liquid nitrogen down burrows seems like an expensive but showy solution.
My understanding is that liquid nitrogen pricing can be a bit of a toss up depending on location.

It's easily the cheapest liquid cryogen going; and wide use as a shield gas makes nitrogen pretty unexotic; but if the local Air Liquide distributor is leery of dealing with anyone who isn't an industrial, scientific, or medical customer with their own storage hardware you'll have some trouble; but if there's a good humored welding supply shop that shrugs at someone coming in with a styrofoam cooler and a story about only needing to store the stuff briefly, or is wiling to do a short term rental of a dewar on favorable terms, the cost isn't so bad at all.

And with an expansion ratio of just under 1:700; you can displace a lot of air in a confined space with a pretty limited amount of liquid.

I suspect that refrigerated liquid carbon monoxide would be the gold standard for gassing burrows without long-term toxicity; but that lacks the cooling and shield gas applications; and is dangerous enough that, cost aside, I'd assume that it's one of those things that chemical suppliers aren't thrilled about selling to randoms, likely with good reason.
 
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I sometimes hand-feed the squirrels that hang out in my yard. I have been bit prolly a dozen times.
Two factors separate the one time That little shit drew blood and meant to(!), and all the other times. Their close in vision is poor so they "THINK" they are going for what you are offering. They can't see that they have a small chunk of my flesh in their soft teeth. No, they do not wanna let go of what you were "offering", even if they did not get their teeth on it.
At least no squirrel has died from the bite. I warn them all to get their shots.
I was bitten by a squirrel during a visit to Princeton University. Worried about rabies, I went to the campus infirmary. They asked, “did it have an ear tag?”. Come to think of it, it did. The University vaccinates them all for rabies.

These black squirrels not very afraid of people and like to be fed.

The incident was unpleasant for both of us. I yanked my hand back and the squirrel clamped down on my forefinger. I started waving my arm around and he hung on for dear life. Finally I flung him off.
 
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I was bitten by a squirrel during a visit to Princeton University. Worried about rabies, I went to the campus infirmary. They asked, “did it have an ear tag?”. Come to think of it, it did. The University vaccinates them all for rabies.

These black squirrels not very afraid of people and like to be fed.

The incident was unpleasant for both of us. I yanked my hand back and the squirrel clamped down on my forefinger. I started waving my arm around and he hung on for dear life. Finally I flung him off.
So it wound up being a Flying Squirrel.
 
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The Dark

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I was bitten by a squirrel during a visit to Princeton University. Worried about rabies, I went to the campus infirmary. They asked, “did it have an ear tag?”. Come to think of it, it did. The University vaccinates them all for rabies.

These black squirrels not very afraid of people and like to be fed.

The incident was unpleasant for both of us. I yanked my hand back and the squirrel clamped down on my forefinger. I started waving my arm around and he hung on for dear life. Finally I flung him off.

I had one at Bok Tower Gardens get impatient that I wasn't offering it food quickly enough, so it decided to climb my leg. I was wearing shorts. It got to around my knee before I reacted, at which point I flailed and the squirrel was launched a good twenty feet. It was a bit upset at the course of events (as was I), and it fled into a tree for safety (I did not).
 
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I was bitten by a squirrel during a visit to Princeton University. Worried about rabies, I went to the campus infirmary. They asked, “did it have an ear tag?”. Come to think of it, it did. The University vaccinates them all for rabies.

These black squirrels not very afraid of people and like to be fed.

The incident was unpleasant for both of us. I yanked my hand back and the squirrel clamped down on my forefinger. I started waving my arm around and he hung on for dear life. Finally I flung him off.
A similar thing happened to me when I was a kid, but it was an alligator lizard, not a squirrel. Didn't work out too well for the lizard - it's tail broke off. But those those things could grow new ones so it wasn't that big a deal.
 
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Around here, the squirrels aren't in danger of going hungry, thanks to all the bird feeders available for them to raid.

As for holding off squirrels, I've had this feeder for about a month, and the squirrels don't even try to jump or climb down to it. It has weight-limiting shutters over the seed ports, and really tiny perches.

There is still a little scattered seed on the ground, but much less than when squirrels or big pigeons sent my old feeder spinning and dislodging a lot of seed.

If only the squirrels would go after our voles....
 

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Oldnoobguy

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Unshockingly: most mammals are somewhat omnivorous when push comes to shove. Some herbivores will occasionally eat meat, and some carnivores will graze on fruits and veggies.

I am still mad at the highschool biology teacher who docked me points for saying that wild wolves eat small amounts of plant matter in addition to hunting for meat. I did my research, and laughed at me and told me I was stupid.
Note to self: Don't forget to feed the guinea pig!
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We think of squirrels as adorably harmless creatures, admiring their bushy tails and twitchy little noses and the way they cram their cheeks with nuts or seeds to bring back to their nests for later.

Not from the US, but I see Squirrels as Evil. The cute appearance is to distract you from the fact they are plotting something. Framing someone for murder, overthrowing a government, or just stealing seed from the birdfeeder. Squirrels are not innocent!

I understand that there is a wider trend of re-evaluating if many presumed "herbivores" are strictly (obligate) vegetarians. Many other animals (deer, cows, hippos, ...) are perfectly happy to snack on a baby bird or other small food object that wanders past - the classic photo of a cow chewing on a snake comes to mind, but that is probably just Australia. Deer gnaw bones for calcium / minerals, any meat left on them is a bonus. So it doesn't surprise me that the bushy-tailed con artists have upped their menu. In fact, I am volely unsurprised..
 
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"There can sometimes be competition among conspecies"
Conspecifics, not conspecies.
"in five successful hunting attempts, fellow voles exhibited competitive behavior after the fact. "
Should be fellow squirrels.
"eight instances where vole carcasses were found, and another vole tried to steal the scavenged food."
Should read another squirrel tried to steal.
Also the paper does not say that a female squirrel ate a vole and "shared it with two young squirrels." What it actually says is; "Both juveniles were observed eating several pieces of the adult female’s vole". And later specifically states that "we have not observed instances of active meat-sharing in our squirrel population".
Ah, thanks, I was really wondering what was meant. Did Ars fire all the editors?
 
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Voles eat many of the same things squirrels normally eat. If the vole's numbers increase, less normal food for the squirrels. Hungry squirrels + lots of voles = vole on the menu. Plus the squirrel digestive system is already equipped to deal with very rich dense food sources. Nuts and seeds are basically plant based meat content wise.
It‘s just “pre-chewed“ food to eat the vole after it ate the squirrel’s food..
 
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Not from the US, but I see Squirrels as Evil. The cute appearance is to distract you from the fact they are plotting something. Framing someone for murder, overthrowing a government, or just stealing seed from the birdfeeder. Squirrels are not innocent!

I understand that there is a wider trend of re-evaluating if many presumed "herbivores" are strictly (obligate) vegetarians. Many other animals (deer, cows, hippos, ...) are perfectly happy to snack on a baby bird or other small food object that wanders past - the classic photo of a cow chewing on a snake comes to mind, but that is probably just Australia. Deer gnaw bones for calcium / minerals, any meat left on them is a bonus. So it doesn't surprise me that the bushy-tailed con artists have upped their menu. In fact, I am volely unsurprised..
Crows are omnivores. Carrion is a big part of their diet. Any creature small enough to not fight too much will definitely be on their menu.
 
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Squirrels are cute... Until they get into your tomato garden. Talk about voracious, after eating the tomatoes they ate the plants; impressive considering how toxic solenaceous plants are.
I've got invasive Eastern red squirrels aka fox squirrels (Sciurus niger)here in Eugene. They eat everything in my garden. Tomatoes, strawberries, cucumbers, beans, carrots, squash, and even potatoes they dig up. Damn squirrels even chew on the trunks of my bonsai trees.
 
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llanitedave

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Hmm, just wait till squirrels adapt to even bigger prey!
I remember back in the 1980's stumbling across a book called After Man, by Dougal Dixon. It was an exploration of ideas about how life on Earth might look 50 million years in the future, after the current anthropogenic mass extinction has removed mankind plus many other currently familiar creatures. It had some fantastic illustrations. In this world, the top predators are rodents, with their incisors evolved into razor sharp fangs. I have to admit it has been highly influential on my subsequent thought processes.
 
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