US green economy’s growth dwarfs the fossil fuel industry’s

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Our analysis also suggests that in the US, nearly ten times more people were employed in the green economy and its supply chains (9.5 million) than employed directly in the fossil fuel industry (roughly 1 million)
And I bet there's 10x the owners in the companies too, distributing the wealth a bit more. Which is why they're so against it.

I’m in favor of clean energy, but all this language is misleading.

The correct way to view it that it costs nearly ten times as much manpower to generate our clean energy as our traditional energy requires.

This language of referring to the $1.3 trillion as a benefit and not a cost is straight out of pork barrel politics. “My projects (diversions of resources) generated thousands of jobs (unnecessary politically appointed work)”

We need clean energy, but let’s not fool ourselves about the costs by using misleading language. The costs are worth because they slow glisbal warming and provide a clean environment.

Why does it cost 10 times more? Citation please.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/

80% of US energy is generated by fossil fuels (petroleum, natural gas, and coal).
Of the 11% generated by renewable energy, 23% of that is hydro power (not exactly a growth industry there).

Seems like it takes a LOT more workers to generate that 11% than it does to generate the 80%.
More jobs isn't necessarily a bad thing, in fact it is even good as long as they aren't subsidized by the taxpayer (like both fossil fuel and renewable energy).

Apparently you have to be of a certain age in order to truly appreciate the impact that various environmental regulations have made to our quality of life. A trip in 1998 to the former soviet union made it very clear to me, breathing the air near a main road gave me a deja vue experience, this is what the USA smelled like in the 1960s and 1970s. It made an impression on me, since the introduction of catalytic converters made the changes in the USA slow, and hard to notice.

That said, renewable energy sources are also limited in their impact and application due to problems with storing the energy for use WHEN it is needed. Solar power is cost effective currently due to government investment in the past. The problem is, it doesn't work at night. Before investing trillions of dollars in what is currently 11% of our energy supply, we might want to invest in technologies that allow us to use that energy when we need it. We need realistic investment, not knee jerk "it's green, must be good".

This entire discussion boils down to "lets use statistics to bash Trump". Guess what, some of know all about statistics (lies, damn lies, and statistics). Some of us would rather invest wisely, and not use politics as a deciding factor.
 
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The fact remains, it takes a LOT more man hours for the green energy, correct? Or perhaps you dispute that fact? Please show where it takes less man hours (your original show me the numbers knee jerk reaction).

Are you basing your man hours estimate solely upon how often the machinery has to be maintained and replaced?

I'll quote from the article we are discussing:
"Our analysis also suggests that in the US, nearly ten times more people were employed in the green economy and its supply chains (9.5 million) than employed directly in the fossil fuel industry (roughly 1 million)—that is, miners, electricity grid workers, infrastructure manufacturers, and construction workers."

So, 11% of power generation takes 10X more people than 80% of power generation. You say infrastructure is why, but ALL forms of power generation require infrastructure.
 
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The fact remains, it takes a LOT more man hours for the green energy, correct? Or perhaps you dispute that fact? Please show where it takes less man hours (your original show me the numbers knee jerk reaction).

Are you basing your man hours estimate solely upon how often the machinery has to be maintained and replaced?

I'll quote from the article we are discussing:
"Our analysis also suggests that in the US, nearly ten times more people were employed in the green economy and its supply chains (9.5 million) than employed directly in the fossil fuel industry (roughly 1 million)—that is, miners, electricity grid workers, infrastructure manufacturers, and construction workers."

So, 11% of power generation takes 10X more people than 80% of power generation. You say infrastructure is why, but ALL forms of power generation require infrastructure.

Incorrect. 11% of energy CONSUMED is green. Percentage GENERATED is 17%. Not sure why the disparity exists but you are quoting the wrong number.

OK, wow that makes a difference. 17% of energy generated takes 10X the number of man hours that 80% does, better now? You asked for facts about how it takes 10X the man hours for green energy, they are in the article, now we see it has changed to semantics. (generated vs consumed)

We could also subtract the energy generated by hydro power and say that 14% of energy CONSUMED requires 10X the manpower of 80%.

1. Nobody is arguing we shouldn't continue with generating renewable energy.
2. You said "show me where it says it takes 10X the manpower", I did. Now it's "consumed vs generated", big whoop.

I do say that we should show some brains and invest in energy shifting or storage technology to enable us to make renewable energy more effective. Currently there is a plateau where more UNRELIABLE sources of energy (primarily green) are simply throwing money away. Nobody wants to be told that on the coldest day of the year you can't heat your home because it is cloudy. Are we at that point in the USA? No, but we're not that far off. If you really want green energy, invest in nuclear (China is). There are no easy solutions, and the "green new deal" is really not well thought out.
 
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