Twitter comeback bid draws lawsuit from Elon Musk’s X Corp

Even if they win at the local level (uphill battle), I'm inclined to think SCOTUS would firmly plant itself on the side of Musk, et. al. for no other reason than they are a very conservative court and would favor fellow conservatives.
Conservatives still like Musk?
 
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... most people still associate the name and brand “Twitter” with the X Corporation.
Lament its demise, more accurately. Musk did not "evolve" the brand. He bought the userbase and quite clearly abandoned the trademark.

I guess I'll have to adjust my custom autotype to call this twisted new entity "The Platform That Abandoned the Twitter Brand."
 
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I hope they have a lot of money and a lot of lawyers, because X / Musk is going to be throwing a lot of money and a lot of lawyers at this.

I personally give their chances less than 1% - after reading about the case.
The thing is that, so far, they haven't done anything wrong. They haven't used the trademark illegally, they have petitioned the USPTO to have the trademark assigned to them since X Corp no longer uses it.

So why is Musk suing? I suspect he thinks they have a good argument and he might lose the trademark. So he's trying to destroy them with legal fees.
 
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Even if they win at the local level (uphill battle), I'm inclined to think SCOTUS would firmly plant itself on the side of Musk, et. al. for no other reason than they are a very conservative court and would favor fellow conservatives.
Let's be fair. Though the two feel synonymous in modern America; favoring Musk would be because they are a corrupt court, not because they are a conservative one. Though it feels like they would need to be corrupt to even take up the case. This appears to be a finding of fact (did X abandon the Twitter trademark), not a new interpretation of law.

How many non-corrupt conservatives are left in government: I do not know.
 
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This is an interesting case that will affect more than just X Corp, there are cases of companies that have rebranded completely (for example, Cingular -> AT&T) or have acquired another major company with a recognizable name (like when Oracle bought Sun Microsystems).

Can someone claim that the trademark has been abandoned and setup an MVNO named "Cingular" (complete with the original logo) or start making PCs called "Sun Microsystems" (again, using the original logo)?

Not just reuse a slogan (which has already happened, Sun Microsystems's "The Network Is The Computer" slogan is now owned by Cloudflare), but the entire brand.
 
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Even if they win at the local level (uphill battle), I'm inclined to think SCOTUS would firmly plant itself on the side of Musk, et. al. for no other reason than they are a very conservative court and would favor fellow conservatives.
I don't even think they would bother hearing it.

Musk isn't in favor with the regime currently.
 
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Let's be fair. Though the two feel synonymous in modern America; favoring Musk would be because they are a corrupt court, not because they are a conservative one. Though it feels like they would need to be corrupt to even take up the case. This appears to be a finding of fact (did X abandon the Twitter trademark), not a new interpretation of law.

How many non-corrupt conservatives are left in government: I do not know.
I think the strategy for Musk is that it not even make it to trial. He just hopes to bury them in lawyers.
 
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When I worked for a huge, multinational corporation, trademark training was part of our annual barrage. The key message was that misusing, or simply not using, the company's trademarked brands in internal and external communication was opening the door to legal action that could lead to the loss of those brands.

It seems to me that X Corp has been doing all of the things that we were trained not to do.

(But of course IANAL.)
 
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The thing is that, so far, they haven't done anything wrong. They haven't used the trademark illegally, they have petitioned the USPTO to have the trademark assigned to them since X Corp no longer uses it.

So why is Musk suing? I suspect he thinks they have a good argument and he might lose the trademark. So he's trying to destroy them with legal fees.
He'll offer a "settlement" to allow them to license it at exorbitant cost.
 
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I am sure that there are important and nuanced legal differences (IANAL), but it strikes me as odd that this is being characterized as such an uphill battle considering that Xerox LOST their case when trying to sue folks for infringing on a trademark that they were still actively using as the name of their company. Simply because (as I understand it, again IANAL) they had been lax in enforcing it previously.

Is that what it comes down to? Not whether or not you are still using it, or even if you have actively disavowed it (as musk as done), but whether or not you sue enough people over their attempts to use it? is trade mark law really that fucked up?
 
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I don't even think they would bother hearing it.

Musk isn't in favor with the regime currently.
Incorrect. Musk has tucked his tail between his legs and is now donating lots of money to Republican campaigns. He's no longer favored, but he's now useful as a basically bottomless well of money for them.
 
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I recognize that trademark and domain name are not the same thing, but I decided to look up the info on the domain twitter.com. The domain name is registered until just over a month from now.

  • Registry Expiration: 2026-01-21 16:28:17 UTC
  • Registrar Expiration: 2026-01-21 16:28:17 UTC
  • Updated: 2025-01-17 06:08:06 UTC
  • Created: 2000-01-21 16:28:17 UTC
Suppose for some reason Musk has fired the person who updated the domain on 01/17/2025, and the ball gets dropped on renewing the domain name. Wouldn't it be nice if Bluebird picked it up?
 
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And X is whining that even if it expressly abandoned its use of TWITTER, nobody can use the word as a trademark ever again because "my trash is still MINE, damnit." ...
The courts have ruled on this point before.

California v. Greenwood

Facts of the case​


Local police suspected Billy Greenwood was dealing drugs from his residence. Because the police did not have enough evidence for a warrant to search his home, they searched the garbage bags Greenwood had left at the curb for pickup. The police uncovered evidence of drug use, which was then used to obtain a warrant to search the house. That search turned up illegal substances, and Greenwood was arrested on felony charges.

Question​


Did the warrantless search and seizure of Greenwood's garbage violate the Fourth Amendment's search and seizure guarantee?

Conclusion​

Voting 6 to 2, the Court held that garbage placed at the curbside is unprotected by the Fourth Amendment. The Court argued that there was no reasonable expectation of privacy for trash on public streets "readily accessible to animals, children, scavengers, snoops, and other members of the public." The Court also noted that the police cannot be expected to ignore criminal activity that can be observed by "any member of the public."
 
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"a trademark owner stops using a mark with no intent to resume, leading to loss of rights, often presumed after three consecutive years of non-use, shifting the burden to the owner to prove intent to restart"

Twitter officially became X in July 2023
Note that three years of non-use isn't a strict requirement, but shifts the burden of proof:

https://www.ny-trademark-lawyer.com/abandonment-and-nonuse-of-a-trademark.html
Since federally registered trademarks are presumed valid under the law, the burden of proving abandonment of a mark initially lies with the party filing the claim. Under Section 45 of the Lanham Act, it states that a mark will be deemed abandoned if it has been discontinued with intent not to resume use. Intent not to resume may be inferred from circumstances. If there is nonuse for three consecutive years, there is a presumption of abandonment, and a prima facie case is established.

In terms of a cancellation proceeding, once there is evidence of three years of nonuse, then the burden shifts to the trademark owner to show use during the three-year period or that despite the three years of nonuse, there was intent to resume use of the mark within a reasonably foreseeable time. It is much easier to prove abandonment if there has been three years of nonuse, so that the presumption attaches. If there isn't three years of consecutive nonuse, then the burden remains with the party bringing the claim to show nonuse and lack of intent to resume use by a preponderance of evidence. This is a difficult burden for a party to meet.

So Operation Bluebird would've had an easier case if they had waited until July 2026, but they still could potentially show the trademark has been abandoned. Musk literally saying that X was abandoning the Twitter name is pretty strong evidence of abandonment you don't normally see.

From Section 45 of the Lanham Act
https://www.bitlaw.com/source/15usc/1127.html
Abandonment of mark. A mark shall be deemed to be "abandoned" if either of the following occurs:

  • (1) When its use has been discontinued with intent not to resume such use. Intent not to resume may be inferred from circumstances. Nonuse for 3 consecutive years shall be prima facie evidence of abandonment. "Use" of a mark means the bona fide use of such mark made in the ordinary course of trade, and not made merely to reserve a right in a mark.
  • (2) When any course of conduct of the owner, including acts of omission as well as commission, causes the mark to become the generic name for the goods or services on or in connection with which it is used or otherwise to lose its significance as a mark. Purchaser motivation shall not be a test for determining abandonment under this paragraph.

So nonuse for 3 consecutive years is one form of evidence of abandonment, but not the only one.
 
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"a trademark owner stops using a mark with no intent to resume, leading to loss of rights, often presumed after three consecutive years of non-use, shifting the burden to the owner to prove intent to restart"

Twitter officially became X in July 2023
And they're still using twitter.com. Much as I'd like to see Bluebird succeed, I don't see how they have a chance.
 
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The thing is that, so far, they haven't done anything wrong. They haven't used the trademark illegally, they have petitioned the USPTO to have the trademark assigned to them since X Corp no longer uses it.

So why is Musk suing? I suspect he thinks they have a good argument and he might lose the trademark. So he's trying to destroy them with legal fees.
I think they also have to show they are actively guarding their trademark, a use/protect it or lose it kind of thing.
 
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I think the question of whether Muck has abandoned the Twitter trademark is moot and therefore irrelevant, so far as the lawsuit is concerned. All they need to say to defend against the lawsuit is "we havent used the trademark". The question of abandonment is for the USPTO office to answer.
 
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I just tried they following:
I entered 'twitter.com' in the search bar of my browser.
It immeidately took me to 'x.com
T'hat does not met a common sense interpretation of abandoning a name. Seems like the
case should be reject as frivolous. Of course, common sense no longer seems to be
an "operational" standard.

It doesn't work like that. To wit:
Your domain name and your trade mark may consist of the same word or phrase, but they are entirely separate entities. A domain name is an internet address (e.g., www.360businesslaw.com); ownership of a domain can be acquired by purchasing it (if it is available) from domain name registrars. The domain name registrar regulates the use of the domain name.

A trade mark is a sign that is capable of distinguishing the goods or services of one brand from those of another. A trade mark may consist of words, designs, letters, numerals, colours, shapes, sounds or motions and any combination of such signs.


To maintain a trademark you have to be making use of it as a trademark, not merely a forward of an internet address.
 
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I am no lawyer by any means, but I would argue that most tech sites still say X (formerly Twitter), still shows that the brand name Twitter is tied to X, then look for the many instances of people saying I read the "tweet" on X. The idea that Twitter/Tweet/X is still too interchangeable for it to be able to be fully abandoned.
I would love to see a new twitter, but I just don't see this winning. If it does, then we can read: X (formerly Twitter, but not the new Twitter)
 
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I am no lawyer by any means, but I would argue that most tech sites still say X (formerly Twitter), still shows that the brand name Twitter is tied to X, then look for the many instances of people saying I read the "tweet" on X. The idea that Twitter/Tweet/X is still too interchangeable for it to be able to be fully abandoned.
I would love to see a new twitter, but I just don't see this winning. If it does, then we can read: X (formerly Twitter, but not the new Twitter)

How other people treat the trademark is irrelevant. The question is how the owner of the trademark treats it. And I think it will have a hard time defending its rights to it in light of, say, this:

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I just tried they following:
I entered 'twitter.com' in the search bar of my browser.
It immeidately took me to 'x.com
T'hat does not met a common sense interpretation of abandoning a name. Seems like the
case should be reject as frivolous. Of course, common sense no longer seems to be
an "operational" standard.
Agent seem to defend Musk then says that the case (that Musk filed) should be rejected as frivolous. Thus unwittingly providing the evidence for his final line that common sense is no more.
 
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