Trump admin seeks medical records of federal workers—for vague reasons

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https://www.kff.org/health-costs/2025-employer-health-benefits-survey/

https://www.bls.gov/ebs/factsheets/medical-care-premiums-in-the-united-states.htm

https://www.opm.gov/healthcare-insurance/healthcare/plan-information/compare-plans/ (BCBS standard and basic have traditionally been the two default selections)

Federal government employee health plans are not better (by employee expense) than the national average, and significantly worse than average for "professional"/union employment (and also worse than marketplace coverage when considering average subsidies). City and state employees to tend to have better health plans, though.
 
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Excuse me if my sympathy for a country that threatened genocide on Monday is severely limited. Y’all need to take serious stock of your new standing in the world.
Target your anger at the tyrants who did that and not the citizens suffering under that same tyrant.
 
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Target your anger at the tyrants who did that and not the citizens suffering under that same tyrant.
IMO we don't get off that easily. Maybe, maybe, we could make that excuse for the first Trump administration where at least some people could plausibly say that they voted for him not knowing what they were really going to get, and besides - his victory was a quirk of the electoral college system But the second time around? We not only voted him back into office, we voted him back in by an actual majority of votes cast. Like it or not, we have to own this shit.
 
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https://www.kff.org/health-costs/2025-employer-health-benefits-survey/

https://www.bls.gov/ebs/factsheets/medical-care-premiums-in-the-united-states.htm

https://www.opm.gov/healthcare-insurance/healthcare/plan-information/compare-plans/ (BCBS standard and basic have traditionally been the two default selections)

Federal government employee health plans are not better (by employee expense) than the national average, and significantly worse than average for "professional"/union employment (and also worse than marketplace coverage when considering average subsidies). City and state employees to tend to have better health plans, though.
Absolutely false. But don’t believe me, you can do the benefit comparisons for yourself.

https://www.opm.gov/healthcare-insurance/healthcare/plan-information/compare-plans/
 
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It's always both.

Whatever kind of pogrom it is, those wielding the power of the state will seize land and rifle through the pockets of the outgroup before they're sent to the camps. Even those who aren't insiders, but happen to be the majority, get to enjoy 'more opportunities' even if they don't get to do the actual mugging.

It's part of how consent of the majority is maintained. Society can feel richer for the ingroup as they burn through the spoils, even if the pie is actually shrinking overall.
As a descendent of Eastern Europeans who fled pogroms, I used to live under the delusion that the United States was a safe haven from such madness. What a fool I was.
 
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At this point, the only joy I still have is looking forward to the day when a Democratic president and Democratic congress are elected and all of 47's scum-sucking sycophantic residues get hauled out of office by their shirt collars.

Until then, I'll take the little victories where I can, in the courts and at the states level.
 
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Because the data is medical (personal) in nature, "root out the woke / hate" is most likely for this bingo card... that and/or using one's private information against them to force cooperation when illegal requests are made. They know they can't run the machine by themselves; they need worker bees, preferably experienced ones. Mass exoduses don't necessarily help their cause, despite the early penchant for mass-layoffs in some departments.

...also this. As someone said, fascists gonna fascist. Just waiting out the non-prediction-markets bet (because fuck those guys with a rusty chainsaw) on "how long will it take the average, clueless, distracted American to figure out that being a fascist administration does not require death camps to be present (i.e. nazi is merely one brand of fascism). Although with these "immigrant warehousing" projects, there's still plenty of time for that to morph into something much uglier.

Misanthropic is the way.
Death camps may not be required but the U.S. has set them up already just to be sure.
 
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More data to feed hungry Grok/whatever that DOGE wasn't able to scoop up?

Not to be cynical...

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Sorry, this administration long ago lost any 'presumption of regularity' when it comes to unusual requests. Even the courts are in that position, and We The People should have reached it long ago.
 
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Death camps may not be required but the U.S. has set them up already just to be sure.
Renting warehouses to store people is definitely close. Even if the deaths are currently accidental.

Edit to add: Which reminds me now of what InfoWars used to rave about. Dems using FEMA to build prison camps. It's funny how these things come back around.
 
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This administration is really interested in private health information, particularly that of autistic people. That isn't a bad sign, right?
My God ...

What is it with this guy and autism? Autistic people are not that bad, you know...

Maybe he should research if vaccines cause narcissism and make a big fuzz about that. Log those types in a database... No worries, narcissists van handle that. They can handle anything, as a matter of fact...
 
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He's a bit too proud of it, but Trump did in fact take a cognitive test, after much demand from the media. (Somehow that demand faded away when Joe Biden fell on the steps or wandered into the jungle: indeed, to ask for it was considered outrageous.)
He bragged about passing a DEMENTIA test, several years ago. Which honestly should be a sign of dementia itself.
 
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Member when OPM was hacked and they stole everyones information? Pepperidge Farms I remember.

I still have the letter that says something along the lines of:

"We are sending this to you because we were hacked and all your information was stolen. We aren't going to do fuck all about it but we needed to make it look like we at least gave some sort of a shit. Have a nice day and fuck off."

Sincerely,

OPM
And that was SF-86 security clearance info. Besides the usual name/DOB/SSN, they also have all sorts of detailed background info about you that most people never share with anyone.
 
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As a descendent of Eastern Europeans who fled pogroms, I used to live under the delusion that the United States was a safe haven from such madness. What a fool I was.
The US literally did this as recently as the 40s. A lot of Japanese-American farmers lost their land while they were in internment.

And then there's the prison system. Somebody's profiting off that almost free labour. Even if it all goes to the state, it's a nice deal for everybody who hasn't been sent to the slammer to benefit from cheap labour, right?

Sometimes I wonder if the hatred itself is even real, or just a convenient excuse to plunder and exploit.
 
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Oh there are a lot of citizens to blame too. A LOT.
Well aware. But as always, while those citizens will also reap some of the whirlwind they sowed, the actual targeted malice from the government is focused on the people who opposed it. Either because they simply opposed it or because they are part of an "undesirable" minority.
 
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We not only voted him back into office, we voted him back in by an actual majority of votes cast. Like it or not, we have to own this shit.
No, we didn't. I've been actively working against Trumpism since 2016, and I'm not talking about posting online. I will not own any of this, I've dedicated a significant chunk of my life to fighting it
 
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HIPAA explicitly prohibits that kind of demand.

They can get anonymized data as long as it can not personally identify anyone. But the actual records only are exchanged between health care providers directly involved in the care of that individual and other health care providers. Much of the insurance information is also anonymized with case numbers and not names.

So this is blatantly illegal.

Yes, I know they do that. And I hope that fucker lives long enough to be thrown into prison for what he's doing.
Hippa does whatever hhs says it does apparently. And I'm gonna guess that hhs feels this is completely reasonable.

I mean hell the police have been able to access our records this whole time without any justification, so why not. This is why I'm no longer 100% transparent with my doctors. I used to have the policy of complete honesty with them, but this article ended that for me and everything since has only strengthened that decision.

https://meincmagazine.com/science/202...out-medical-records-to-cops-without-warrants/
 
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Excuse me if my sympathy for a country that threatened genocide on Monday is severely limited. Y’all need to take serious stock of your new standing in the world.
I'm sorry. Seriously, on behalf of my country, I apologize.

The President threatened genocide, not the country. The large majority, even on the Republican side, were against that. There was enough pushback from both sides that he had to back down.

However, it's a war crime just to make the threat, so I hope in the near future he is held accountable... along with his enablers. That can't happen, though, unless Democrats win decisively in the midterms.
 
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No, we didn't. I've been actively working against Trumpism since 2016, and I'm not talking about posting online. I will not own any of this, I've dedicated a significant chunk of my life to fighting it
Not only that, but he did NOT get a majority of votes cast. More people voted against him than for him.

Stupid third-party voters.
 
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Not only that, but he did NOT get a majority of votes cast. More people voted against him than for him.

Stupid third-party voters.
It's not about you.

Trump is recognized as the president, and it's his decisions that impact people in other countries.

Your feelings about your president don't affect what's happening to people in other countries.
 
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I would say "political retaliation or targeting of workers who sought certain medical care, such as abortion or transgender care" is far and away the most likely outcome of, and internal justification for, this move.
I would say "class action lawsuit against anyone and anything remotely affiliated with this"
 
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Not only that, but he did NOT get a majority of votes cast. More people voted against him than for him.

Stupid third-party voters.
No, a minority voted against him. The majority either voted for him or couldn't care less.
That taking stock business seems to be too difficult.
Believe me, we now agree that the USA is exceptional.
 
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Wow, in the land of the free everyone is dissected on the altar of limitless data collection, monetisation and surveillance.
Knowledge is power and all power is to be bestowed on those who exercise greed - sorry - capitalism to its purest form. That’s what Jesus would do and it sure is what the mad king and its puppets do.

All for the grater good of enriching the blessed and keeping the rest right there with their faces in the mud. Foretold by prosperity gospel ghouls and absorbed and acted and voted upon by the empty sponge-like minds of their followers.

America the blessed is now America the raped and trampled upon.

Stand up.
 
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Wow, in the land of the free everyone is dissected on the altar of limitless data collection, monetisation and surveillance.
Knowledge is power and all power is to be bestowed on those who exercise greed - sorry - capitalism to its purest form. That’s what Jesus would do and it sure is what the mad king and its puppets do.

All for the grater good of enriching the blessed and keeping the rest right there with their faces in the mud. Foretold by prosperity gospel ghouls and absorbed and acted and voted upon by the empty sponge-like minds of their followers.

America the blessed is now America the raped and trampled upon.

Stand up.
We're all beautiful butterflies, so the corporations say, and now they want to protect us by pinning us to a board under glass.
 
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I'm sorry. Seriously, on behalf of my country, I apologize.

The President threatened genocide, not the country. The large majority, even on the Republican side, were against that. There was enough pushback from both sides that he had to back down.

However, it's a war crime just to make the threat, so I hope in the near future he is held accountable... along with his enablers. That can't happen, though, unless Democrats win decisively in the midterms.
That assumes that the Third-Way Democrats don't just hand wave it all away "in the name of bringing the country back together to heal", which seemed to be the modus operandi of the Biden administration after the J6 insurrection, or that Republicans continue to pull stuff out of their bag of dirty tricks to gum up the process and Democrats don't fight fire with fire.
 
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I would say "political retaliation or targeting of workers who sought certain medical care, such as abortion or transgender care" is far and away the most likely outcome of, and internal justification for, this move.
Hey I'm sure they are also planning to hand it over to the technocrat backers and feed it into grok and shit too. They aren't single issue offenders.
 
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Missing_Linc

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That assumes that the Third-Way Democrats don't just hand wave it all away "in the name of bringing the country back together to heal", which seemed to be the modus operandi of the Biden administration after the J6 insurrection, or that Republicans continue to pull stuff out of their bag of dirty tricks to gum up the process and Democrats don't fight fire with fire.
That was also the Obama line when he decided not to prosecute anyone over the Iraq invasion.

There is a relatively convincing argument that most governments would collapse if each successor held their predecessors liable for any crimes they committed in office.

I had an idea that anyone sitting politician in an administrative / powerful position, Including leaders, should be made to have their record reviewed by a jury of their peers every time they resign or get voted out.
You would have to justify your decisions, have your emails and messages regarding those decisions made public and, lastly, have your financial records reviewed to prove you didn't financially benefit in office. Total transparency.

If the Jury decided you'd acted in bad faith? straight to prison. Asset forfeiture... all the bad things. A man can dream anyway :ROFLMAO:
 
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My God ...

What is it with this guy and autism? Autistic people are not that bad, you know...

Maybe he should research if vaccines cause narcissism and make a big fuzz about that. Log those types in a database... No worries, narcissists van handle that. They can handle anything, as a matter of fact...
It could be because of the connection between transgenderism and autism. The prevalence of autism among the transgender population [who have transitioned to any degree] is notably higher than the prevalence of autism among the general population.

One theory for the connection has to with the propensity of autistic individuals in rejecting social norms. Changing one's gender expression is seen as crossing a fairly major societal norm, so it could be that autistic individuals with gender dysphoria are simply more apt to do something about it (like transition) than the general population.

Another theory championed by conservatives is that mental health professionals are part of a sinister plot to manipulate autistic kids into thinking that they are transgender because of the radical liberal agenda, satanism, Soros, profit, or some other far-right Boogeyman.

Some fairly influential transphobic individuals, such as JK Rowling and Ted Cruz, have pointed out this statistic and have called for investigations and additional barriers in accessing transgender care, especially for ASD folks. And given how weird and unhinged social conservatives are by transgender people, how callous they are towards individuals with disabilities, and their obsession with eugenics, this combination of factors is driving them mad.
 
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It's not about you.

Trump is recognized as the president, and it's his decisions that impact people in other countries.

Your feelings about your president don't affect what's happening to people in other countries.
I never said he didn't win. I said he didn't get the majority of votes. He got less than 50%; more people voted against him than for him.
 
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No, a minority voted against him. The majority either voted for him or couldn't care less.
That taking stock business seems to be too difficult.
Believe me, we now agree that the USA is exceptional.
No. Trump got 49.8% of the vote. Harris got 48.32%. Third-party voters got the rest. Again, more people voted against him than for him.
 
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HIPAA explicitly prohibits that kind of demand.

They can get anonymized data as long as it can not personally identify anyone. But the actual records only are exchanged between health care providers directly involved in the care of that individual and other health care providers. Much of the insurance information is also anonymized with case numbers and not names.

So this is blatantly illegal.

Yes, I know they do that. And I hope that fucker lives long enough to be thrown into prison for what he's doing.
I wondered about that. You hear the phrase "HIPAA violation" a lot these days, so I had a feeling this might qualify.

And I agree. I want him out of office, but in a way where he knows he's been caught and has to suffer the consequences. If he dies in office, he's essentially gotten away with everything. He has to be punished, and he has to know why he's being punished.
 
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I would say "political retaliation or targeting of workers who sought certain medical care, such as abortion or transgender care" is far and away the most likely outcome of, and internal justification for, this move.

Understandably so! I can hardly sleep at night, knowing such people are out there, and it’s starting to interfere with my work: threatening to kill 90 million civilians unless they end a war we started for reasons we can’t name.
 
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