Trump’s swift demolition of East Wing may have launched asbestos plumes

ranthog

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OFC this wasn’t done with any Fs given for safety, regulations, or the people doing the work, or the people working nearby. They made a point of doing it so fast and during the government shut down when there could not be any resistance. Working as intended.
I'm pretty sure the only consideration was to do it quickly enough that they couldn't be stopped.
 
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Fred Duck

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"Safe until disturbed" means it's not safe, because buildings get disturbed.
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Asbestos abatement is obvious, the building gets wrapped, at least the windows are sealed and people are going in and out in hazmat suits with respirators. Massive amounts of doubler bagged refuse is trucked away. The process takes time, a house in our neighbourhood took two weeks for abatement before it was torn down. They had to do abatement on the exterior of a building on my college campus and the building was sealed in blue plastic for a month. A building like this would take several weeks and would be obvious. But there was no clue that it was going to happen. the heavy equipment arrived on Monday and the demo began. No abatement was done. Everyone in and around the area was exposed. That includes everyone who works in the neighbourhood, anyone walking by, visitors to the White House, anyone that works in the White mHouse, delivery people, anyone in that area over the last several weeks.

It’s Class Action Suit Time.
 
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My fears for this administration were blown off as alarmist by so many.

Never did I imagine they would just... tear down 1/3 of the White House without notice.
Never did I imagine... they would try to roll back asbestos regulations, as they attempted in the spring.

Even with all that.... "Asbestos-laden dust and debris from the White House demolition was dumped in a local park" ... and this is not hair on fire news! ... hit me with a new level of incredulity.

I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up tearing out the whole white house.

IIRC, during his first term it came out that he thought the white house was dumpy and didn't like staying there, hence most his time mar a largo and his building in NYC (though that also allowed him to bill more to the government for the required secret service).

So now, assuming the monstrosity of a ballroom gets built as some in pics and the model, you know he'll complain and act that he just realized the rest of the property isn't to scale and looks awkward, so now he has to 'update' the rest of it.

Hence also the plans of a third term - if he really thought he wouldn't run or get it, he wouldn't be so focused on this and putting in the effort.
 
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ColdWetDog

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Wow, that hadn't occurred to me, but should have been obvious with the age of the building.

Remediation would have taken months and made it obvious they were going to demolish more than originally announced.
And asbestos remediation is obvious. Tarps and bunny suits. Filters and compressors. Not backhoes and jackhammers.

They didn't do any asbestos remediation.
 
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This is the guy who wants to resume nuclear testing, remember.
I wonder if they know that the National Ignition Facility is responsible for a good bit of America's modern nuclear testing? Nah, that's boring science that doesn't make big-ass explosions. It does, however, help ensure our existing weapons work. Fuck's sake.
 
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Iulius

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I have no real pity for the administration vampires getting exposed to asbestos in the white house, but not everybody there is trying to destroy the country - some of them just have government jobs.

There's a big number of tourists D.C. and residents that have been nearby or downwind since they started. I really hope all the trick or treaters didn't get mesothelioma with their twizzlers.
 
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The destruction of assets that are supposed to belong to the people with no oversight or consultation, entirely unilaterally, in order to replace it with something tacky and gaudy meant only for him and his mob of elite ring kissers, causing dismay, anger and alarm at the wanton desecration of something once held dear to millions, unleashing a cloud of toxicity and destructive waste in the process....

Is a more perfect metaphor for the Trump regime even possible at this point?
 
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I wonder if they know that the National Ignition Facility is responsible for a good bit of America's modern nuclear testing? Nah, that's boring science that doesn't make big-ass explosions. It does, however, help ensure our existing weapons work. Fuck's sake.
His first energy secretary didn't even know that when taking the job, for the record.
 
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Really doesn't matter if they did or didn't. The Supreme Court said that the orange lunatic is immune to prosecution, even for being fined or reprimanded. All fingers will point at him as the 'big decision maker' sparing all of the others involved in the illegal action.

The rule of law is essentially no more.

Trump may not be touchable, but ACECO certainly is. They should know all about asbestos and the need for proper abatement. Their disregard for their own workers is just insane. And permitting offices and inspectors around the greater DC area should spend some serious quality time reviewing each and every ACECO job site for violations. After all, if they're willing to fuck around with asbestos, who know what else they're happy to fuck around with.
 
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That's not enough! We demand MORE asbestos!

"More asbestos! More asbestos!"
What's amusing is that a lot of asbestos removed from buildings in California in the 80s-90s was deposited back into asbestos mines it was originally removed from in the 1960s-80s. So is Trump going to demands that it be re-mined back out of those sites and put back into those buildings?

Also, some of the major off-road reclamation areas west of Coalinga and signed as hazardous because of the loose asbestos-containinng soil from earlier mining activity. Appropriate use?
 
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That's not good. Based on what I'm reading, one heavy exposure to a dust cloud from an asbestos demolition can triple your lifetime cancer risk.
One exposure can kill you.

Probably won’t, but when you expose hundreds of people, the odds of one of them failing their saving throw get pretty high.
 
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real mikeb_60

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And not to put too fine a point on it, they disturbed the fuck out of the East Wing.

But yes; if it is fully encapsulated, non-friable, not damaged, and not exposed to the open air, sure, asbestos is a contained risk.
One of the buildings I used to work in was "fully remediated" before we moved in, but they missed some pockets. So part of the building was cleaned out again. But this time, they dug out some areas and "encapsulated" the stuff instead of hauling it away.

Big government buildings of the 1920s-40s have just s*** loads of the stuff lying around. It's everywhere.
 
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Asbestos abatement is obvious, the building gets wrapped, at least the windows are sealed and people are going in and out in hazmat suits with respirators. Massive amounts of doubler bagged refuse is trucked away. The process takes time, a house in our neighbourhood took two weeks for abatement before it was torn down. They had to do abatement on the exterior of a building on my college campus and the building was sealed in blue plastic for a month. A building like this would take several weeks and would be obvious. But there was no clue that it was going to happen. the heavy equipment arrived on Monday and the demo began. No abatement was done. Everyone in and around the area was exposed. That includes everyone who works in the neighbourhood, anyone walking by, visitors to the White House, anyone that works in the White mHouse, delivery people, anyone in that area over the last several weeks.

It’s Class Action Suit Time.
One question is, who exactly is responsible for ensuring asbestos compliance? Is the demolition contractor not responsible? Locally I know of an old (> 100 years) house that was demolished, and prior to demolition the contractor visited and ripped up bits of floor tile, window frames, checked plumbing, etc. to verify that there was no asbestos. What could the penalties to ACECO be?

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In his 1997 book The Art of the Comeback, Trump wrote that asbestos is “100% safe, once applied.” He blamed the mob for its reputation as a carcinogen, writing: “I believe that the movement against asbestos was led by the mob, because it was often mob-related companies that would do the asbestos removal.”

This is such an ironic statement considering there is ample circumstantial evidence linking him and Trump Sr. to more than one mob.
 
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Make
Asbestos
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Again

I fully expect to hear some release about how we need to add more asbestos to everything to improve healthy living...

Just think about how much stronger your lungs will be once they’re done with the workout that processing asbestos gives them!
 
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brionl

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Where are all those mesothelioma lawyers when we need them?

(Mesothelioma is the type of cancer caused by, and only by, exposure to asbestos).

AFAICT they don't actually do any lawyering, they just help with the paperwork to get your victim a payout from one of the class-action suits that has already been settled.
 
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