The speech police: Chairman Brendan Carr and the FCC’s news distortion policy

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In Trump's GOP, you earn political capital by acting tyrannically. And of course his supporters are the same people who bought the "Don't tread on me" flags. 🙄
I just purchased a magnet that I think has a great response to that "Don't Tread on Me" bullshit:

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I'm strongly considering putting it on my car.
 
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shadedmagus

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If you want a laugh, go to r/conservative and take a read. They banned anyone without flair that indicates they were conservative from posting. And the few times conservatives made posts about tariffs being bad, their posts were removed by moderators. There are posts there that shows 30+ comments that were all deleted or hidden because they criticized Trump for something.
I'd say a better place to go looking is r/LeopardsAteMyFace. It's a bit repetitive, but you see instances of people being affected by Trump's policies. Truly a cesspool of cognitive dissonance, as many of them still say they support Trump and "what he's doing," even as they complain about the effects of his policies that have affected them personally.

EDIT: I did not mean to say that the subreddit is a cesspool, more the content being posted and the people involved are in a cesspool of cognitive dissonance. Apologies about any confusion there.
 
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Ahem, they DON'T READ! So the book and library losses mean NOTHING to them!
While I understand the point you’re trying to make here, I assure you that plenty of swing voters (which is the group I explicitly referenced in my comment) do, in fact, read.

I travel enough that I try not to generalize too quickly, but I can say that more than a few swing voters are already horrified and will show at the midterms.
 
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I'd say a better place to go looking is r/LeopardsAteMyFace. It's a bit repetitive, but you see instances of people being affected by Trump's policies. Truly a cesspool of cognitive dissonance, as many of them still say they support Trump and "what he's doing," even as they complain about the effects of his policies that have affected them personally.
My favorite one had to be the white woman complaining that she wasn't a DEI hire, its the black people.
 
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I think conservatism is more about conserving institutions and rejecting change. A lot of the times, those institutions align with preserving hierarchy (for example, slavery or Jim Crow). However, in this instance, the attacks are being made on institutions (courts, regulatory agencies, social programs, etc.). I would not categorize the current Republican party as small c conservative. I would categorize them as capital C Conservative.
Radical. The word you're looking for is radical.
 
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While I understand the point you’re trying to make here, I assure you that plenty of swing voters (which is the group I explicitly referenced in my comment) do, in fact, read.

I travel enough that I try not to generalize too quickly, but I can say that more than a few swing voters are already horrified and will show at the midterms.
A lot of people care about their libraries across the political spectrum. Far right groups have lost in part due to wanting to kill off public libraries at the local level.

The other thing is that even well-meaning people need to understand history and the world to have context for what is going on in the world. Libraries are one of the few places anymore that people might come across information outside of their personal bubbles.
 
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What if we're the bad guys? No, it's the children Democrats that are wrong!

I assume they don't actually believe what they're saying there, but if they do it's some impressive cognitive dissonance.
In looking at their world today, I'd say the latter. They believe what they're saying. True believers are the kind of people who need to be kept down, because they will not listen to reason, and will not quit until they get their way.
 
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I feel like there's a distinction between conservative (with a lower case 'c') and Conservative (with a capital 'C').

The first is a political philosophy/viewpoint. The second is an increasingly authoritarian and reactionary brand or identity based on beating down everyone else.
The first causes the second, it doesn't merely correlate.

As the current administration blatantly proves.

Even Never Trumper conservatives are directly responsible for this mess.
 
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What you're advocating for here is censorship of opposing political views.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

"I didn't vote for THIS part of the MAGA agenda" doesn't fucking cut it, snowflake.

At some point the only solution is either one side wins outright or the other, and the loss is permanent, no more chances to lie or lobby in an election.

The US Constitution was already shredded in this regard by the simple fact it's impossible to amend.
 
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I wonder how much consideration the MAGA folks have given to what happens when their furious opponents regain power with all these expanded executive powers and a clear mandate to remove the existent threat of totalitarianism to ensure That Never Happens Again.

I imagine they don't really imagine losing that often, or that their opponents are competent. But man, what a Dunning-Kruger Clown Car they all are. Competent, highly motivated attorneys and administrators who understand how power and organizations actually work could do so much more.

I don't believe in vengeance, but would absolutely be down for making sure the door hits their asses hard and permanently on the way out.
 
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I wonder how much consideration the MAGA folks have given to what happens when their furious opponents regain power with all these expanded executive powers and a clear mandate to remove the existent threat of totalitarianism to ensure That Never Happens Again.

I imagine they don't really imagine losing that often, or that their opponents are competent. But man, what a Dunning-Kruger Clown Car they all are. Competent, highly motivated attorneys and administrators who understand how power and organizations actually work could do so much more.

I don't believe in vengeance, but would absolutely be down for making sure the door hits their asses hard and permanently on the way out.
That's the neat part about Fascism, you don't let your opponents regain power.
 
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That's the neat part about Fascism, you don't let your opponents regain power.
Competent fascism.

They have mistreated everyone they need support from so badly and so quickly that they may actually not get around to the parts of Project 2025 that remind them how to imprison, disband or kill enough Democrats and progressives to continue to fail in other areas. Outright causing the second Great Depression would put a damper on that and tariffs tend to impact their abilities to build hardware and ammunition.

Even fascist militias can only shoot so many people unpaid and are as likely to turn on one another like rabid dogs when the money and ammo run out.

But really, who's to say fascism won't be easier to ward off if the US has the population of Japan after all is said and done? That's still enough to cover all the MAGA voters and a good chunk of the head in sand or conservative leaning independents. The liberals all know what's coming even if they have to kiss their asses goodbye while fighting for the best outcome (albeit they can't decide what the best outcome even is, either the fall of democracy producing their outright victory or a return to the poisoned status quo allowing Vance to run for President in the future on the same platform)
 
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So when does Fox News get investigated?
Hey now they are fair and balanced, it is right in their tagline.

They are fair and balance by putting on an expert against someone they found on isle 2 in a small town dollar store, a person that has an opinion that supports they current talking point. Then square it all up as having equal footing… that is of course the edge case, they seldom bring on a real expert on a topic.
 
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That's the neat part about Fascism, you don't let your opponents regain power.
That's the goal, certainly. In practice, autocrats get murdered at a much higher rate than any other profession. It's very hard to retire peacefully as a dictator. It's hard to maintain power because they shut off real sources of unbiased information, nor do they have real input about the wants and needs of their subjects. Viciousness is horrible, and also makes for a poor economy, lots of dissidents, brain drains of people talent enough to escape, low rates of innovation in science, technology, or culture, etcetera.

They basically survive past the point of popularity by making sure a critical organized mass of people have enough terror of what happens to them and their family if the regime falls. We've seen over and over that the nominally "loyal" military of a dictator decides to just not shoot civilians. Sure, selected paramilitary death squads can cause terror, but that's not an army.

And fascist states don't really have that much world-historical staying power. The longest running political systems are mostly some flavor of constitutional democracy/republic. North Korea is really the only multi-generational hard autocracy around, and they've not even made it a century. And it is a truly, truly horrible place to live.

Bear in mind that if Trump cancels national elections or something, blue states, the US military, and lots of other stakeholders aren't under any legal or moral obligation to help him or follow his orders. If he's no longer the legally elected POTUS, then he doesn't have anyConstitutional powers. He'd just be some asshole influencer squatting on public property.
 
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Replace modern media terms with 'radio' and 'newspaper' and you'll get a carbon copy of what Czech communists did following the constitutional coup d'etat in 1948.

I know we compare GOP to Hitler's NSDP but they're closer to the Czech Communists of 1948-1960. As was McCarthy, btw, he was just the polar opposite.

(fun fact... Ivana Trump's Czech dad was an informant of the Czech 'State Security' force (STB) who took their orders, on anything remotely international, directly from KGB)
 
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That's the goal, certainly. In practice, autocrats get murdered at a much higher rate than any other profession. It's very hard to retire peacefully as a dictator. It's hard to maintain power because they shut off real sources of unbiased information, nor do they have real input about the wants and needs of their subjects. Viciousness is horrible, and also makes for a poor economy, lots of dissidents, brain drains of people talent enough to escape, low rates of innovation in science, technology, or culture, etcetera.

They basically survive past the point of popularity by making sure a critical organized mass of people have enough terror of what happens to them and their family if the regime falls. We've seen over and over that the nominally "loyal" military of a dictator decides to just not shoot civilians. Sure, selected paramilitary death squads can cause terror, but that's not an army.

And fascist states don't really have that much world-historical staying power. The longest running political systems are mostly some flavor of constitutional democracy/republic. North Korea is really the only multi-generational hard autocracy around, and they've not even made it a century. And it is a truly, truly horrible place to live.

Bear in mind that if Trump cancels national elections or something, blue states, the US military, and lots of other stakeholders aren't under any legal or moral obligation to help him or follow his orders. If he's no longer the legally elected POTUS, then he doesn't have anyConstitutional powers. He'd just be some asshole influencer squatting on public property.
This time it's different for so many reasons, here's some Tolkien for you. Besides, he has Constitutional powers as long as the courts say he does and congress agrees. He would still be the Commander in Chief.
 
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What if we're the bad guys? No, it's the children Democrats that are wrong!

I assume they don't actually believe what they're saying there, but if they do it's some impressive cognitive dissonance.
The older I get the more clear it has become to me that terrible people truly believe that everyone else is also a terrible person.
 
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The ultimate hypocrisy, after showing such concern for the Biden Administration's non-repression of free speech being such a major concern for Trump's sycophants.

Now the shoe is on the other foot, they're ready to strip anyone who disagrees with them of the right to free speech.

How long until the MAGAs realize they've been played, and their speech as well will be silenced once they figure out they've been lied to?
"It's much easier to bamboozle a man, than to convince him that they've been bamboozled."

~ Mark Twain (more or less)
 
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In Trump's GOP, you earn political capital by acting tyrannically. And of course his supporters are the same people who bought the "Don't tread on me" flags. 🙄
Because they’re imagining themselves treading on the hated libs, poors, browns, blacks, and immigrants.
 
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no. it IS the ideologies. the first thing a communist is telling you is sth like...the ideology was right, but the implementation was bad. this IS a communist propaganda also. becomes...communists were savage terrorists from day 1 (one). there is no bs like become or sth similar.
You'll get the same argument everytime the capitalists get bailed out by the government (socialism).
 
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