The Perpetual Firearms Thread

[NervousEnergy]

Should have noted it's also a question of reliability - the X95 in 9mm is very reliable using standard factory (i.e., hot) 9mm ammo. I won more than a few stages even though I was slower when other players dealt with clearing jams. That was why I was very comfortable using the X95 as the 'oh crap' ready rifle in the closet. I don't have a lot of data on the 9mm variant's reliability when suppressed. A weapon designed from the ground-up to run with an integrated suppressor at least conceptually sounds more reliable.

For just range toy / cool things to shoot perspective? Yeah, suppress them all every day and twice on Sunday.

 

[invertedpanda]

Hit the LGS yesterday to see where ammo prices were, and ended up buying another 100 rounds of 9mm because - while the price was higher than normal - it wasn't too much higher.

I've now got just over 500 rounds of 9mm, which should keep me covered for anywhere from 5 to 10 range trips (which aren't as frequent as I like, unfortunately) given I split my time between the pistol and the rifle.. and with 22LR I've got somewhere around 800 rounds right now, which is definitely good enough (about 50/50 good vs. plinking).. Plus a bunch of really cheap trash ammo if I'm bored.

 

[drogin]

So...I have a pretty basic OWB holster from Vedder.

It works fine, but:

• I am not sure I really like the FBI cant.
• I don't really conceal carry (which reduces the value in the cant)
• It isn't adjustable for cant
• While its a good friction fit, I think I want something it more retention.

I am thinking of something simple like:

This basic Safariland holster.

It comes with both a paddle setup and a belt loop setup. I am thinking I can also use it with their quick locking system.

Pros really are:

• Active Locking System, so more positive retention.
• Adjustable for cant.
• Multiple mounting systems.

Cons:

• This one isn't RDS compatible (but I don't have one and no immediate plan).
• I don't know if I'd like the paddle option.

So I guess my questions for the group are really around the paddle thing. Anyone use a paddle holster? Is it comfortable?

 

[Hap]

So...I have a pretty basic OWB holster from Vedder.

It works fine, but:

• I am not sure I really like the FBI cant.
• I don't really conceal carry (which reduces the value in the cant)
• It isn't adjustable for cant
• While its a good friction fit, I think I want something it more retention.

I am thinking of something simple like:

This basic Safariland holster.

It comes with both a paddle setup and a belt loop setup. I am thinking I can also use it with their quick locking system.

Pros really are:

• Active Locking System, so more positive retention.
• Adjustable for cant.
• Multiple mounting systems.

Cons:

• This one isn't RDS compatible (but I don't have one and no immediate plan).
• I don't know if I'd like the paddle option.

So I guess my questions for the group are really around the paddle thing. Anyone use a paddle holster? Is it comfortable?

Yes, and yes - with caveats. It can jam into love handles (if you have them) depending on car seat if you keep the gun in the holster in a car. I have to remove mine. I mean, I can leave it in, but it does not feel great, and it will eventually cause a wear spot in my seat.

 

[drogin]

OK, good insights.

Very low chance I wear the holster in the car.

That is one reason I was thinking having the Quick Locking System would be a nice feature. I can keep the one part on the belt, and then just pop the holster on when I get to the range.

 

[drogin]

I wound up getting the Safariland holster.

At this point I've just worn it with the paddle for some dry fire.

I like the ALS, but it will take time to get my draw speed back up over the Vedder (which was just friction fit) because I have to make sure I'm hitting the ALS pretty hard to pull the pistol (which is the idea).

I also like not having the cant. Feels like a more natural draw, and reholstering is much more consistent. I have having some issues reholstering with the cant.

I want to try it on the belt loop this weekend, but I think ultimately I'm going to order a lower one. The one it ships with rides high so it matches when the holster is on the paddle. I don't think that's an issue if I was doing a permanent mounting, but when using the QLS system...I feel like it's going to cause a problem. Basically the QLS "female" side covers the loops.

 

[drogin]

OK, so the belt loop was pretty flexible so the QLS covering the slots for the belt really didn't impact getting it on the belt after.

I am going to keep that on my range belt since it has my mag pouches and stuff.

I also put the QLS onto the paddle, so now I can move the holster from my paddle to my pistol belt. I can use the paddle if I ever have a "grab and go" type scenario, or if I am traveling light to the range and want to use it on a regular belt.

I still would like to get a lower drop belt loop. Really liking this holster and the whole QLS thing so far. Very adaptable!

 

[fitten]

Just watched a video about Marlin 1894 in 10mm... might be interesting to some.

Spoiler

 

[Boskone]

That would be neat. I could share ammo with my ludicrously-oversized 2011.

 

[Vince-RA]

My father-in-law gave me an M1 carbine he got from his uncle. It's a post-war piece, made in 1947 by IBM (lol). It hasn't been fired in at least 50 years at this point. I'd like to get someone to give it a once-over, clean, lube, etc. Will any competent gun shop do, or is it worth trying to find someone with experience with older stuff? I know 1947 isn't all that old, relatively speaking, but I don't have any experience with such things.

 

[fitten]

My father-in-law gave me an M1 carbine he got from his uncle. It's a post-war piece, made in 1947 by IBM (lol). It hasn't been fired in at least 50 years at this point. I'd like to get someone to give it a once-over, clean, lube, etc. Will any competent gun shop do, or is it worth trying to find someone with experience with older stuff? I know 1947 isn't all that old, relatively speaking, but I don't have any experience with such things.

Find some gun shops and ask them if they've worked on one before, etc. That's what I did with my dad's rifle I inherited. It hadn't been used (or taken care of) in probably ten years at the time so I wanted someone to go over it end-to-end and make sure it was in working order. I found a guy who did it for a pretty good price and reasonable time.

 

[drogin]

My father-in-law gave me an M1 carbine he got from his uncle. It's a post-war piece, made in 1947 by IBM (lol). It hasn't been fired in at least 50 years at this point. I'd like to get someone to give it a once-over, clean, lube, etc. Will any competent gun shop do, or is it worth trying to find someone with experience with older stuff? I know 1947 isn't all that old, relatively speaking, but I don't have any experience with such things.

I'd have a gunsmith that knows vintage firearms look it over, and more importantly make some ammo recommendations.

 

[Vince-RA]

Thanks for the replies, I'll check around and see what I can turn up. The M1 came with one magazine full of .30 carbine, but no idea at all how old those are or under what conditions they've been stored...will not be using them.

 

[Boskone]

You may check the CMP forums. Kinda by necessity they're full of people interested in old rifles like that.

 

[drogin]

Thanks for the replies, I'll check around and see what I can turn up. The M1 came with one magazine full of .30 carbine, but no idea at all how old those are or under what conditions they've been stored...will not be using them.

Yeah, my ammo recommendations thing is more around the action / barrel of the firearm itself.

I know that, for example, shooting a vintage M1 Garand with modern commercial .30-06 is...not a great idea.

So you want someone to scope that barrel, make sure the rifling isn't fucked, and make sure it's good-to-go from a metalurgical standpoint.

 

[MaHawkma]

I had my M1 checked out when I bought it by a knowledgeable gun smith. He also modded it with an adjustable gas plug(I think?) which really isn't needed if you are careful with your ammo selection but I wanted to er on the safe side.

 

[chris]

My father-in-law gave me an M1 carbine he got from his uncle. It's a post-war piece, made in 1947 by IBM (lol). It hasn't been fired in at least 50 years at this point. I'd like to get someone to give it a once-over, clean, lube, etc. Will any competent gun shop do, or is it worth trying to find someone with experience with older stuff? I know 1947 isn't all that old, relatively speaking, but I don't have any experience with such things.

I had to teach myself a lot of this stuff on my own because I couldn't find any competent gunsmiths in my area. They just know how to swap AR parts. There's lots of good resources out there on the internet tho.

 

[Hap]

They just know how to swap AR parts.

That's not a gunsmith.

 

[drogin]

Just watched a video about Marlin 1894 in 10mm... might be interesting to some.

Spoiler

Watched that this morning when it came into my feed.

10mm out of that barrel much be cooking. Pistol cartridges don't normally take down his steel hogs...

 

[Vince-RA]

I had to teach myself a lot of this stuff on my own because I couldn't find any competent gunsmiths in my area. They just know how to swap AR parts. There's lots of good resources out there on the internet tho.

Yeah, I found a good number of videos on the topic, but given that I feel barely qualified to disassemble a Glock (and let's be honest, your average American elementary schooler could probably handle that), the M1 seems like something I'd rather delegate to an actual professional for now.

 

[kperrier]

I had to teach myself a lot of this stuff on my own

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[invertedpanda]

Ugh. I wanted to hit the range today, but my body is such a dumpster fire right now that it's just not worth attempting; Pistol would be a no-go, and dealing with loading the tiny 22LR mags and operating the bolt on my RPR is not happening either.

I think I'm finally to the point of saying "fuck it" and starting to save up for a goddamned semi-auto ranch rifle so I can have something SA that's also IL compliant.

Foxtrot Mike's offerings are the cheapest, but ideally I'd grab something like CMMG's because they seem to have better quality overall.

I do wish I could check one out in person, but we've got nothing local carrying either.

 

[invertedpanda]

In other news, I just found out: the city I live in is looking to build out a city gun range.

This could be huge; The location they are talking about is about 2/3rds the distance to my usual rifle range, which isn't THAT big of a change, but it's close enough that I could actually conceivably use Lyft/cabs to get to/from it rather than relying on my GF (although odds are I'll have her drop me off and then I can just call a ride whenever I'm ready to go).

There's some community complaints and organizing over it, though, given the location.. It's actually in a residential area, and there is concern for noise levels, but supposedly they are looking at ways to reduce the impact (dammit IL just stop banning suppressors).

The reasoning behind putting it in is a local school has competitive trap shooting, and the location is actually close to one of the schools.

Not a lot of info available; I measured the area, and they could potentially get the rifle range to go out to 600y (probably more like 500y max my guess) assuming they do a full rifle range setup.

I'd be even happier if they had electronic steel targets so I could better spot my ELR 22 shots.

 

[Boskone]

It's actually in a residential area, and there is concern for noise levels, but supposedly they are looking at ways to reduce the impact (dammit IL just stop banning suppressors).

I always find this complaint questionable when cities are (IME at best) lax about noise regulations elsewhere.

If I were going to complain about noise, it would be motorcycles. I can't seem to go anywhere (in ~20 different states) without either the "VROOOM-blubblubblub" of touring bikes, or the ear-splitting chainsaw noise of crotch rockets.

 

[kperrier]

just stop banning suppressors

but but but, do want assassins running around killing people and no one hearing the shot?!??

 

[invertedpanda]

I always find this complaint questionable when cities are (IME at best) lax about noise regulations elsewhere.

If I were going to complain about noise, it would be motorcycles. I can't seem to go anywhere (in ~20 different states) without either the "VROOOM-blubblubblub" of touring bikes, or the ear-splitting chainsaw noise of crotch rockets.

That's one thing we actually do well here for the most part: Noise ordinances tend to be enforced. We're not a big city at all; I'd actually hesitate to call it a city, but.. Yeah. Around 40k pop, so bigger than my old hometown (of hundreds), but not anything massive.

 

[Boskone]

but but but, do want assassins running around killing people and no one hearing the shot?!??

Cue John Wick subway scene.

 

[drogin]

Went to the gun shop yesterday to restock on ammo. Took the opportunity to handle the Gen 6 Glock 45. I really like what they did with the grip texture. If I had the gen 6 I would not even put HandleIt Grips on there.

I want to see how the stippling holds up after some use though. It may smooth out over time, but feels great in the hand.

Anyway, not really interesting enough to sell my gen 5 for a gen 6.

I still want a revolver

I didn’t handle any to avoid accidentally buying one.

 

[Hap]

I still want a revolver

S&W .500

 

[Boskone]

Went to the gun shop yesterday to restock on ammo. Took the opportunity to handle the Gen 6 Glock 45. I really like what they did with the grip texture. If I had the gen 6 I would not even put HandleIt Grips on there.

I want to see how the stippling holds up after some use though. It may smooth out over time, but feels great in the hand.

Anyway, not really interesting enough to sell my gen 5 for a gen 6.

I still want a revolver

I didn’t handle any to avoid accidentally buying one.

I really like my Ruger (Super) Wrangler.

...I own one of each, because the Super Wrangler is pretty much what I wanted when I bought the Wrangler, so the Wrangler's now dad's pasture gun.

Competition target guns they aren't, but they're perfectly suited for plinking, and vermin- or snake-clearing.

 

[drogin]

The wranglers seem cool. I’ve never fired a “western style” revolver like that. I always look at the way the grip is and wonder if it will work for me.

 

[Hap]

On a serious note, my wife has a little .38 Special. Tiny little thing, disappears in my hand. I have a Taurus Judge chambered in .410 Shotgun and .45LC - I tend to use a mixed chamber. It's my snake gun when walking the dog. I did have to get a longer grip for control.

 

[Boskone]

The wranglers seem cool. I’ve never fired a “western style” revolver like that. I always look at the way the grip is and wonder if it will work for me.

FWIW, they work fine for me. I think the Peacemaker-style revolvers are so different from more modern firearms that the oddly-shaped grip works.

I do have to change the way I shoot; I think they're designed for the one-hand, arm-out stance of the period. IMO, that's also a better stance for "Oh, shit, that's a rattlesnake!" moments.

So I guess go into it with an open mind, and don't try for a modern stance.

 

[drogin]

FWIW, they work fine for me. I think the Peacemaker-style revolvers are so different from more modern firearms that the oddly-shaped grip works.

I do have to change the way I shoot; I think they're designed for the one-hand, arm-out stance of the period. IMO, that's also a better stance for "Oh, shit, that's a rattlesnake!" moments.

So I guess go into it with an open mind, and don't try for a modern stance.

Yeah, I just have to hold one I think. I mean...they were in use with that design for so long that you'd think it would "just work" for most people.

 

[Tom the Melaniephile]

Yeah, I just have to hold one I think. I mean...they were in use with that design for so long that you'd think it would "just work" for most people.

I can tell you that the Colt M1878 (Double Action Army/Frontier) is super comfortable for me in .44-40.

I also like the feel of the 1911A1, Browning Hi-Power (rubberized grip is even better) and Dan Wesson .357

Do NOT like the feel of Glocks.

 

[drogin]

I can tell you that the Colt M1878 (Double Action Army/Frontier) is super comfortable for me in .44-40.

I also like the feel of the 1911A1, Browning Hi-Power (rubberized grip is even better) and Dan Wesson .357

Do NOT like the feel of Glocks.

Ok, but that looks totally different to me than a wrangler. When I look at the wrangler, the grip looks like your holding the right side of an upside down letter U.

Here you on glocks. I feel like I got lucky that I like them. They shoot great.

 

[Boskone]

The "regular" Wranglers do have a birdshead grip model.

I neither own nor have held one, though, so dunno how they feel relative to the normal model.

 

[drogin]

The "regular" Wranglers do have a birdshead grip model.

I neither own nor have held one, though, so dunno how they feel relative to the normal model.

Hmm so which do you own? I scanned the River site and they all seemed the same, but I probably missed something.

 

[Boskone]

Hmm so which do you own? I scanned the River site and they all seemed the same, but I probably missed something.

I have a regular Wrangler and a Super Wrangler, both with the "standard" grip.

The Wrangler has at least one model with birdshead grips, but I do not recall seeing a similar Super Wrangler model.

 

[NervousEnergy]

I really don't need to buy another gun to sit on a rack - haven't even gone to a comp in 6 months. Motivation is low. But I can't stop thinking about finally getting a suppressor host (and the can as well, of course) to play with and take the place of the X95 as the ready rifle. I could put a can on the MPX G2 that I only use as a comp backup, but it seems from others that have done it that it's fairly unpleasant to shoot due to gas in the face.

Roller delayed 9mm seems the best option. Anyone tried the Kuna? Reviews are extremely favorable, especially given the price point. Spending 3X that money for a B&T blowback is just too out there for me.