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    What are people using for bags, especially ones you can wear all day and hike some distance?

    I know there are all kinds of backpack options but I want to keep it to the size of a personal item allowed by airlines, which is 17 x 10 x 9 and able to fit in the seat underneath.

    I've been using a Tamrac shoulder bag which is discontinued but it's well under that size but perfect for my camera with lenses, iPad and some small accessories, including those not related to photography. It's been perfect because it lets me get at everything quickly. However, it's not roomy enough for some larger lenses like the 70-200 f4 Nikkor that I have which is 7 inches long. Even if it found space there, slinging it over one shoulder with the additional weight of a 2-pound lens isn't optimal.

    So I'm looking at slightly bigger bags which could distribute the weight over both shoulders as well as over the back. I did have one of the sling bags but I once lost a lens on a flight when someone wedged their luggage up against the bag in an overhead bin. So I'm going to avoid putting it in the overhead at all costs.

    Backpacks would offer a lot of room but I don't like having to open them all the way up to access all the compartments, especially out in the field, around strangers. I did like the sling form factor, because you open just a little bit to pull out the camera.

    These bags which have loops for tripods don't have water bottle sacks so I will have to rig up something with a carabiner or something.
     
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    wco81 said:
    What are people using for bags, especially ones you can wear all day and hike some distance?
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    Peak Designs seems to be the trendy camera bag maker of the moment. They have various modular packing cubes. Bags have a lot of personal preference built into them.

    I've found that Think Tank smaller pieces slotted into regular bags works well, but it depends on need, lenses, and accessories.
     
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    Correct. I've done this a few times myself.

    As far as daypacks/backpacks, try a few out yourself at your local REI, your local camera shop, etc...? Have you seen any bags in particular that you like?

    Also, one big thing I found was the waist belt-- many packs don't have one at all, and many (such as Peak Design) have only a very minimal belt which is not as supportive as I'd like. IIRC a friend retired his Peak Design daypack and went with an F-Stop pack that had a much more substantial waist belt, and I use an Osprey daypack that also has a substantial waistbelt.
     
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    What are people using for bags, especially ones you can wear all day and hike some distance?
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    I use a random Japanese bag that I picked up in a department store:

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    wco81 said:
    What are people using for bags, especially ones you can wear all day and hike some distance?
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    I use Peak design either their Messenger bag or one of the Slings (10L or 5L).
    The 15" Messenger can hold a lot of gear honestly more than I want to carry by weight (2x mirror less bodies + lenses and a couple of extra lenses) plus a 15" laptop, and has a Stabilizer strap that can go around the waist or connect to the main strap for support. Will fit under an airline seat, I've travelled alot internationally with it, you can carry a tripod attached.

    Generally now though I use one of there two slings.
    The 10L is good for travel can take two mirrorless bodies (A7 + A7rii, one with a small lens on) and a couple of primes or 1 large zoom, + a 12" Laptop or tablet.
    The 5L is good for walking about light one mirrorless body with lens, or two small primes or 1 medium size zoom.

    The Messenger can carry more gear than you need and as a result I tend to carry more weight than I should (for walking around) with it, but at least with the stabilisers it's got some support. Good for a hike if you don't overload it with two much gear. Can set it up for nearly any scenario you want, including Tripod work.
    The 10L Sling I tend to use for international travel now, easy to set up for say street + landscape (minus a tripod).
    The 5L is my walk around bag, good for an afternoon or a specific purpose.
     
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    wco81 said:
    What are people using for bags, especially ones you can wear all day and hike some distance?

    I know there are all kinds of backpack options but I want to keep it to the size of a personal item allowed by airlines, which is 17 x 10 x 9 and able to fit in the seat underneath.

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    Backpacks would offer a lot of room but I don't like having to open them all the way up to access all the compartments, especially out in the field, around strangers. I did like the sling form factor, because you open just a little bit to pull out the camera.

    These bags which have loops for tripods don't have water bottle sacks so I will have to rig up something with a carabiner or something.
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    I realize you aren't keen on backpacks, but I've been using this XL sized one for about 2.5 years now. It holds my D600 with 24-85 attached, with room for SB-700 flash, spare batteries, 75-300, 85, 50, 14, and 100 macro. It has a tripod loop, plus a pull out bag for the tripod feet to fit in, and a water bottle stretch net on the other side. Price was a winner for all it holds (plus room for a tablet or small laptop). The waist band really helps to put the weight on my hips rather than my shoulders.
     
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    Aeonsim said:
    wco81 said:
    What are people using for bags, especially ones you can wear all day and hike some distance?
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    I use Peak design either their Messenger bag or one of the Slings (10L or 5L).
    The 15" Messenger can hold a lot of gear honestly more than I want to carry by weight (2x mirror less bodies + lenses and a couple of extra lenses) plus a 15" laptop, and has a Stabilizer strap that can go around the waist or connect to the main strap for support. Will fit under an airline seat, I've travelled alot internationally with it, you can carry a tripod attached.

    Generally now though I use one of there two slings.
    The 10L is good for travel can take two mirrorless bodies (A7 + A7rii, one with a small lens on) and a couple of primes or 1 large zoom, + a 12" Laptop or tablet.
    The 5L is good for walking about light one mirrorless body with lens, or two small primes or 1 medium size zoom.

    The Messenger can carry more gear than you need and as a result I tend to carry more weight than I should (for walking around) with it, but at least with the stabilisers it's got some support. Good for a hike if you don't overload it with two much gear. Can set it up for nearly any scenario you want, including Tripod work.
    The 10L Sling I tend to use for international travel now, easy to set up for say street + landscape (minus a tripod).
    The 5L is my walk around bag, good for an afternoon or a specific purpose.
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    That seems like a lot for that 10L sling, if the dimensions listed by B&H are correct. Has to be bulging if you load up two bodies, two lenses (one on the camera) and a laptop/tablet?

    I have a Kata and a Manfrotto sling in that size. One thing though, slings tend to be smaller than backpacks and they don't seem to have waist belts. Well my Kata has really thin waist belt. But if you hook up both shoulder straps and waist belt, then it becomes a backpack, which kind of goes against the purpose of the sling.
     
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    Wrakkenruan said:
    wco81 said:
    What are people using for bags, especially ones you can wear all day and hike some distance?

    I know there are all kinds of backpack options but I want to keep it to the size of a personal item allowed by airlines, which is 17 x 10 x 9 and able to fit in the seat underneath.

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    Backpacks would offer a lot of room but I don't like having to open them all the way up to access all the compartments, especially out in the field, around strangers. I did like the sling form factor, because you open just a little bit to pull out the camera.

    These bags which have loops for tripods don't have water bottle sacks so I will have to rig up something with a carabiner or something.
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    I realize you aren't keen on backpacks, but I've been using this XL sized one for about 2.5 years now. It holds my D600 with 24-85 attached, with room for SB-700 flash, spare batteries, 75-300, 85, 50, 14, and 100 macro. It has a tripod loop, plus a pull out bag for the tripod feet to fit in, and a water bottle stretch net on the other side. Price was a winner for all it holds (plus room for a tablet or small laptop). The waist band really helps to put the weight on my hips rather than my shoulders.
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    That's a big backpack, too big for personal item, though one of the reviews there say they can fit it under an airline seat. But if it's loaded up with all that gear, you may have to wedge it under the seat or into overhead bins?

    I see that some people are going for backpacks which are essentially the size of carryons and using that as their carryon.

    Even if you don't load it up to capacity, I wonder how comfortable it would be to wear it for hours on hot summer days.


    I guess I look at having enough capacity to carry on all electronics and photo gear on flights and then being able to carry a subset of that gear for all-day walking around, hiking as separate functions and better addressed by two separate bags rather than one.
     
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    wco81 said:
    That seems like a lot for that 10L sling, if the dimensions listed by B&H are correct. Has to be bulging if you load up two bodies, two lenses (one on the camera) and a laptop/tablet?

    I have a Kata and a Manfrotto sling in that size. One thing though, slings tend to be smaller than backpacks and they don't seem to have waist belts. Well my Kata has really thin waist belt. But if you hook up both shoulder straps and waist belt, then it becomes a backpack, which kind of goes against the purpose of the sling.
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    Standard load out when traveling with the 10L sling would be Surface pro in the laptop sleeve. The main area is divided into three/four, the two dividers are pushed to the side and have either a Sony 55mm F1.8 & Sony FE 85mm or MF Minolta 135mm (one of each on each side). The bottom of the center has a Sony A7 with either no lens or the Sony FE 35mm F2.8 (which is tiny) attached (or a bigger prime ie Minolta MF 58mm F1.2 by it's self with out the A7 body). The the split dividers are half folded down on top of that and a Sony A7rii with a smaller lens like the Loxia 21mm F2.8 or Sony FE 28mm F2 attached, is placed on top.

    It's pretty tight with all that in, Once I get to the destination and start walking I'd take out one of the bodies and start carrying it around. That makes the bag a lot easier to access. I some times switch the second A7 body for a smaller camera like a Sony Nex-5 with a pancake lens on, that frees up some space. I can only really get away with it as the original A7 body are noticeably smaller than the A7ii body series, I don't think I could get 2x A7x(ii,iii,iv) in the bag. Also most of my mirrorless lenses tend to be smaller than most DSLRs (and I don't use zooms).

    I also have a Lowpro Passport Sling, and really the Peak design sling is an entirely different bag type from the typical sling. Much better for holding camera gear, but not great at holding non camera stuff which the expandable Lowpro does well.
     
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    wco81 said:
    What are people using for bags, especially ones you can wear all day and hike some distance?
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    Backpacks would offer a lot of room but I don't like having to open them all the way up to access all the compartments, especially out in the field, around strangers. I did like the sling form factor, because you open just a little bit to pull out the camera.
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    If you were willing to consider backpacks but disliked having to fully open them, then the 'Peakdesign Travel Backpack' is a rather nice (and expensive) option. I've got one and have replaced my carry-on luggage with it. It's modular internally, with multiple different sized camera storage cubes. The camera cubes can be clipped to the sides of the bag internally in an open state, but with the open side pressed up against the external wall of the bag. Then either side of the backpack can be opened allowing you to reach into the bag/camera cube to grab gear. Also the bag is designed to pivot around it's straps so you can fairly easy swing it around to your front and open the side to reach your gear with out fully opening it. It's designed to fit within the carry on limits (not personal item though).
    https://www.peakdesign.com/products/travel-backpack/


    Alternatively there are the two peak design Everyday backpacks which aren't modular, instead having dividers that can be moved around a bit. But again they can swing around in front fairly easily and you can open up the side panels of the bag to reach your gear with out having to open up the full bag.
    https://www.peakdesign.com/products/eve ... 3969284140
     
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    Yeah I noticed Lowepro also have some backpacks with side openings so you can swing the backpacks around partially and get access that way.


    Sounds like you would pack that Peak Design sling better than I would. However most of your items are at most 5 inches deep? One of the reasons I'm looking for a new bag is to find a better way to carry my 70-200 Nikkor which is 7 inches long. If I put the Nikon FTZ adapter on it, it's 9 inches deep.

    I was using a shoulder bag, which isn't deep enough to carry it and the camera with another lens attached. So I had a shoulder camera bag and then on top of that, I had a basic messenger bag for my 70-200 lens and some other non-gear items, like water and snacks. On top of that, I'd also carry another shoulder bag with a drone and 3 batteries.

    I wouldn't always go out with the zoom lens and the drone but a lot of times, you can't anticipate so I would just carry them all.

    I think I'm going to try one of the sling bags I have for an upcoming trip and see how my back holds up to carrying all this weight regularly and decide whether to look at something else.

    But several good suggestions here, thanks all.
     
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    wco81 said:
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    Sounds like you would pack that Peak Design sling better than I would. However most of your items are at most 5 inches deep? One of the reasons I'm looking for a new bag is to find a better way to carry my 70-200 Nikkor which is 7 inches long. If I put the Nikon FTZ adapter on it, it's 9 inches deep.
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    Here's an example of what you can get in the bag, I usually wouldn't use this bag to carry the 70-210 F4, but it certainly can manage it.


    IMG_20190814_202024 by aeon Data, on Flickr


    IMG_20190814_202109 by aeon Data, on Flickr


    IMG_20190814_202330 by aeon Data, on Flickr

    It's about 5" thick.

    IMG_20190814_202526 by aeon Data, on Flickr
     
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    Got the Sigma 70-200 Sport two weeks ago. The first copy I had some focusing accuracy issue. Exchanged for another one at BH. This second copy is back focusing but consistently enough. -10 to -12 solves all the issue at all focal length and distance. Slight front focusing near the min focusing distance under 4ft. Shot couple of bike races with it. Very sharp at wide open and more micro contrast. Almost no focus breathing.

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    FYI, I am selling my Tamron G2 version if anyone is interested.
     
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    Utwig said:
    Canon 90D and M6 II video and specs came out short before release:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zy5BG_hX_Y

    https://www.dpreview.com/news/409835028 ... 0d-cameras

    More megapixels, joystick, weather sealing, eye AF and 10 instead of 7 fps. Allegedly no 24p in 4k but it does have 4k which is allegedly uncropped.

    Not something I'd consider to upgrade from 80D (need/want more lenses, flashes and better editing rig) but a nice bump.
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    10fps...it better has the buffer size to support it. Is kind of pointless if the buffer size is restricted to some 20+ raw shots. In 2 seconds, you have to pause shooting shooting at 10 fps. :)
     
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    I've always been on consumer-grade crop sensor Canons, currently a 760D (Rebel T6s) with some EF-S lenses. I've been on the fence about what my next camera would be if/when I felt I outgrew that one. If this had come out earlier, I might have gone for it, but with the R mount out, I'm not so sure.

    While, as far as I'm aware the EOS RP is among the cheapest full-frame mirrorless bodies around (excluding previous-gen models), the RF lenses that are currently available are all very expensive (and supposedly excellent).
     
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    Kilkenny said:
    I've always been on consumer-grade crop sensor Canons, currently a 760D (Rebel T6s) with some EF-S lenses. I've been on the fence about what my next camera would be if/when I felt I outgrew that one. If this had come out earlier, I might have gone for it, but with the R mount out, I'm not so sure.

    While, as far as I'm aware the EOS RP is among the cheapest full-frame mirrorless bodies around (excluding previous-gen models), the RF lenses that are currently available are all very expensive (and supposedly excellent).
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    The problem with that transition is that you'd have to get a lot of mileage out of the switch to justify leaving such a cheap and comprehensive lens ecosystem behind.

    The 90D has me second-guessing my A6400 and Sony's swiss cheese lens lineup, but I'm in too deep to switch it up.
     
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    Kilkenny said:
    While, as far as I'm aware the EOS RP is among the cheapest full-frame mirrorless bodies around (excluding previous-gen models), the RF lenses that are currently available are all very expensive (and supposedly excellent).
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    The RF lenses and mount looks amazing, but yes many gold coins for the privilege of using them.

    The RP is pretty average and even the R hasnt matched the original a7r in some areas. Lets hope canon can put together a decent 60-70mp sensor in the upcoming model.
     
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    RobDickinson said:
    Kilkenny said:
    While, as far as I'm aware the EOS RP is among the cheapest full-frame mirrorless bodies around (excluding previous-gen models), the RF lenses that are currently available are all very expensive (and supposedly excellent).
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    The RF lenses and mount looks amazing, but yes many gold coins for the privilege of using them.

    The RP is pretty average and even the R hasnt matched the original a7r in some areas. Lets hope canon can put together a decent 60-70mp sensor in the upcoming model.
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    Just checked the Canon site.

    The bodies are competitively priced and they're even discounting the EOS R body to $1999.

    But they have a lot of pricey RF lenses. Presumably mostly pros will speed well over $2000 per lens. These lenses must have terrific resolving power but the bodies they offer don't have the sensors to really take advantage of those lenses.
     
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    Canon appears to be prioritizing high-end RF mount lenses first, it looks like more affordable designs will follow-- but there's no firm roadmap on that. So for those hoping for more affordable lenses, it's a bit rough at the moment.

    https://www.canonrumors.com/the-2020-rf ... g-in-2020/
    There will also be at least one fast L prime lens and a couple of non-L lenses, it’s unknown if they’ll be zoom or primes or both at this time.
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    That makes sense.

    Nikon is also releasing a lot of pricey lenses for its Z system as well. The lens adapter is pretty bulky, adds a couple of inches to the length. The Canon R adapter adds just under an inch so maybe it's not as bad.

    Either that or these companies think there was a lot of pent-up demand by their customers for full frame mirrorless cameras and lenses and they're harvesting as much money up front as they can.
     
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    Pretty much what's been said. Canon seems to be laying groundwork for a flagship RF mount camera, presumably in time for the Olympics in 2020.

    Also I assume no matter how large the company, they still have a finite amount of resources to go around, and they chose to develop the high-end first instead of mid-market or entry-level products.

    We'll see what happens in 2020, should be interesting. As Rob has said above:
    Lets hope canon can put together a decent 60-70mp sensor in the upcoming model.
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    ++;

    Although I care slightly less about megapixels, I just hope the sensor is decent enough to compete with Sony and Nikon. The current 30~32MP baseline right now would work for me, so would 61MP or 70MP or anything in-between.
     
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    While 90D will be even more capable than 80D which is a very capable camera and Canon's lens are usually cheapest for given focal length and aperture, I added slightly used Fuji X-E3 for travel for 480€ ($532) with box and all papers. It has 24MP, 14 FPS electronically and 8 FPS with mechanical shutter (better than 7FPS on 80D) and does 4k30p. I was a bit blown away because for half the price of 80D I got more capable and very compact camera.

    The Canon's main advantage is if you want to assemble a system with holy trinity (450€ for used 17-55 2.8 IS), few primes and pro flashes and triggers. If you plan to use just one or two lens, then Sony A6k, Fuji win on specs.

    Canon is selling bodies to their largest lens installed base to make money by segmentation and limiting of features, while others are selling bodies with good features, hoping to make more profit on the lenses.
     
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    Canon is selling bodies to their largest lens installed base to make money by segmentation and limiting of features, while others are selling bodies with good features, hoping to make more profit on the lenses.
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    That's my impression. Too many of their cameras are too large and heavy by modern standards, though I understand the desire not to have to switch out four or five figures in lenses and accessories.
     
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    Is EF-S missing some data paths required for mirrorless operation?
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    I'm not sure, but if you look at the RF mount, it has extra pins for communication that EF-S and EF don't have.

    Also the EF mount is significantly larger than the EF-M, Fuji X-mount, Sony E-mount, etc. I don't think we appreciate just how significant the size difference is. As ThousandStars5 said above:

    Too many of their cameras are too large and heavy by modern standards
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    Going EF/EF-S would have meant they stayed large and heavy.
     
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