With falling sales and shrinking profits, the recurring revenue will be most welcome.
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Tesla wants recurring revenue, discontinues Autopilot in favor of FSD
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Tesla is also bundling in basic lane keep assist which in 2026, is a basic feature.
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Yeah, that won't survive a well crafted lawsuit. You can't escape liability for gross negligence. The bullshit Tesla's pulled is right there, IMO. They've been scrambling to avoid any kind of ruling on such suits and they always take a while to work through the system but they will be bench slapped hard, I expect, eventually. The issue is this sort of crappy behavior won't stop until and unless a case gets to that point, though.
Edit: Duplicate word was redundant.
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"Some had speculated that Tesla could change Autopilot’s name to something less misleading"
But, true to form, Musk went for something about as misleading and likely to kill even more people: FULL SELF DRIVING, which, as its name clearly state, can't be left to drive on its own unless you're OK w/ risking to kill / be killed. Criminal sociopath.
But, true to form, Musk went for something about as misleading and likely to kill even more people: FULL SELF DRIVING, which, as its name clearly state, can't be left to drive on its own unless you're OK w/ risking to kill / be killed. Criminal sociopath.
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I'm being told that Full Self Driving can't Fully Self Drive, so is history going to repeat itself shortly ?
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Absolutely nothing. I sold my Tesla and bought a Hyundai Ioniq 6. The lane assist and adaptive cruise control are almost identical. If anything, the Hyundai is slightly better at it.
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In the future no one owns anything; we're merely licensed to use as long as our benevolent corporate overlords deem fit.
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failing to maintain an adequate system of record-keeping to identify the users of hired vehicles ought to have a penalty of at least 1 more demerit point than the offence they were asking about, for each of the people responsible for the management of the hiring scheme (company directors, controlling shareholders, trustees, etc.), because here the main use of that loophole is for the owners of their own businesses forgetting that they were the ones driving their company cars.
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Yep. I made similar comments in this 2017 discussion. A lot of Tesla stans ready to jump on any criticism of Musk and/or Tesla.
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And if you use it for anything the masters did not approve then its theft.
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Don't worry, next they'll ask what you're wearing, seeing as that's roughly as relevant to whatever BS train of "thought" they're following.
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Well now that I can't yell about Autopilot being deceptive name like I have since it came out, I'll focus on FSD now. Because if there are scenarios it can't drive in then I have a hard time saying it's FULL anything.
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Places are going to start to look like Cuba keeping the *hit designs alive forever. I don't really want any drivers aids honesty though so many it is a boon. If they actually get good perhaps regulation will force them to not paywall it.
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You're ALMOST there.
Instead by then it will be $20/mo gets you 200 credits each month.
$100/mo gets you 1000 + 200 credits: SPECIAL BONUS! GOOD VALUE!
$300/mo gets you 3000 + 1500 credits: DRIVE DAILY! BEST VALUE MOST!
$1000/mo gets you 10000 + 10000 matching credits: WHALES LIVE BIGGEST!
You can purchase credits on spot for $40 for 200, look how great that subscription value is!
Basic Function Gacha pulls are 35 credits.
Advanced Function Gacha pulls are 150 credits.
Pulled feature uses expire in 10 days. Credits expire in 45 days.
Every pull is a winner! Minimum value pull is: "TESLA-AIR: breathe it in, breathe it out, you're still a winner!".
Guaranteed Self Driving Preview mode after 900 pulls. Guaranteed hits reset each Musky Gacha season, which will be announced randomly on Twitter... umm... not-Twitter and decided by the most advanced intelligence known to Musk... Grok. Talk to Grok to drive and win!
Be a winner! DRIVE THAT LOOT CAR BOX! live announcements on the in-dash screen showing how big other people have just won! Will your car drive in traffic or will it drive into the kinetic barrier? FEEL THE EXCITEMENT OF THE RANDOMIZED CAR DRIVES YOU DRIVING CAR GAME!
void nowhere because Musk don't care, please Grok-drive-X-win irresponsibly.
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Time to dust off the 1971 F100 that has been sitting in my barn. No software in that bad boy. Although I may not want to take it interstate speeds!
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Unfortunately, there's a ton of people that think that, because the driver aids are currently good enough for them, they are good enough to be made mandatory already.
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Yes, but since musk must employ someone who can do that maths too, either it’s just a way to juice sales before it switches to subscription, or they’re planning to raise the prices.
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Once you put modern tires on it and rebuild the carb(s) it should be fine for highway speeds.
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waymo already has their fleet in operation. they may do dumb things sometimes, but they are pretty safe.
where was the billboard that said that uber had a sexual assault or harrassment complaint every 8 minutes? "safety" isn't just about car crashes.
the robotaxi model and "the death of car ownership" is a joke out here in suburbia, for the reasons you state. people own cars so they can get to work so they can afford their cars. once the car is paid off the tco is way less than $10k/year though.
but there are quite a few city dwellers and single people without long commutes where owning a personal vehicle is more aggravation than advantage and ride hailing would be preferable. the market for the service in the usa alone is already on the order of $30billion/year and expected to grow substantially.
regular taxis are already both profitable and affordable. no reason a robotaxi can't be as well. why would waymo spend so much time and money on the effort if that wasn't so?
the margin is way more than slight. consider how much a driver makes in a year - say $40k/year on the low end for uber. that's an instant +$40k to your bottom line, for every vehicle...which can also operate 24/7 and go where uber drivers won't go. that adds up fast.
waymo's vehicles cost well over $100k currently but their next generation is going to theoretically be around $70k. every tesla made (at least the newer hw4 ones) is robotaxi capable and cost maybe $30-35k for the model y's they're using. purpose built robotaxis are smaller 2 seater bare bones models that should be in the $20k range. easily affordable to put on the road for well below uber prices per ride.
i'm going to trust wall street on this one. since a typical taxi goes around 40k miles per year these suckers are going to be printing $$$ at even a fraction of that usage.
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If I am operating something that has a reasonable chance to kill me or someone else I want as little of that operation out of my hands as possible. I have a motorcycle and the system does have some thing that will shut off the engine if they fail, but nothing that will take control out of my hands. I can still pop the clutch, slam it into neutral, and brake. Doesn't even have ABS.
Vehicles are becoming too automated, even under the hood. It's a problem.
Vehicles are becoming too automated, even under the hood. It's a problem.
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musk says that the price of fsd will go up as features are added to full self driving.
if it's already really doing full self driving what can be added?
(never mind, it's $99 for supervised, even more for unsupervised. madness)
it's already hugely overpriced, but subscriptions are a better model than one time payment for both parties if they're priced right.
remains to be seen how long lane keeping stays in fsd-only packages.
i expect blowback to be swift, hard, merciless and well deserved.
he has 10 years to get his fsd subscriber numbers up, no need to rush it on day 1.
if it's already really doing full self driving what can be added?
(never mind, it's $99 for supervised, even more for unsupervised. madness)
it's already hugely overpriced, but subscriptions are a better model than one time payment for both parties if they're priced right.
remains to be seen how long lane keeping stays in fsd-only packages.
i expect blowback to be swift, hard, merciless and well deserved.
he has 10 years to get his fsd subscriber numbers up, no need to rush it on day 1.
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do you want the drunken teenager racing from one graduation party to the next to have the same level of control?
there's a tree along the road about a mile from my home with signs on it that says that might not be such a great idea.
https://greaterolneynews.com/olney_life/saga-continues-family-young-woman-killed-crash/
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For now. But Elon already said the quiet part out loud that this is step 1 and step 2 is to continually raise the price. It's true SaaS at it's best.
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Charging a monthly fee over a fixed one-time cost does make sense...if Tesla has the liability while FSD is active. It's not financially viable for Tesla to have to essentially pay for insurance while the feature is active. But...that's not what's happening here. It just makes sense in the hypothetical future that self driving cars actually exist, because even the most advanced system is going to occasionally do something like hit a deer that enters the road out of nowhere.
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Despite the lies about FSD capabilities people keeps buying these car and after 4 years from new they have to be checked in Denmark for faults. 45% of model Y failed the test. So they are apparently also shit quality
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I haven't bothered to check where I fell in this timeline, but during my early days here I did make some posts in defense of Tesla, although I think it would be unfair to call me a "stan".
I originally defended the use of "autopilot" as technically correct, and that people misunderstanding a term is on them, not the people using the term. Since then I've changed my mind. There is a difference between 5% of people not getting the technically correct meaning, and 95% of people not getting the technically correct meaning. Autopilot falls into the latter. I also slowly came to realize that Tesla's intent was not to correct the misunderstanding, but to capitalize on it in their publicity while legally hiding behind warnings in the manuals that most people never read.
Back then I was also willing to give Tesla and Musk the benefit of the doubt and assumed that technologies they claimed were around the corner actually were around the corner. In time I learned that more or less all of them were vaporware, betas being released to an unwary public, not even half-baked plans, or flat-out lies.
Finally, it took me the "pedo guy" incident to realize that Musk went far beyond the typical rich jerk thing and was actually an extremely vile and toxic person who should never be trusted.
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When you are the owner of a car caught speeding in the UK, literally the first thing you get is a letter asking you who is the driver. Not responding will cause you major trouble.
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Which is literally what Tesla have been convicted of at least 18 times, complete with at least £20k worth of fines, costs & court fees.
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Which doesn’t make sense at all. If it is full self driving then the car drives, not me, so it’s not my fault.
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