Inspired by VW's ARVW concept, we look at the cars with tiny drag coefficients.
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But Cd is only part of aerodynamic drag - drag is actually proportional to CdA (i.e. Cd x A), where A is the frontal area. In other words, minimizing the frontal area is just as important as streamlining the shape.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobil ... #Drag_area
But Cd is only part of aerodynamic drag - drag is actually proportional to CdA (i.e. Cd x A), where A is the frontal area. In other words, minimizing the frontal area is just as important as streamlining the shape.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobil ... #Drag_area
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As a Model 3 owner, I've wondered why the aftermarket front and rear spoilers aren't the stock designs, especially if they can offer ~6% efficiency gains!
The splitter extension probably reduces ground clearance. They claim it only reduces ground clearance by 1/8", but that's probably on a flat surface. A longer "chin" makes it more likely to strike a ramp or driveway.As a Model 3 owner, I've wondered why the aftermarket front and rear spoilers aren't the stock designs, especially if they can offer ~6% efficiency gains!
Probably would depend wholly on the rolling resistance and losses from braking (with regen, the efficiency of that regen would matter). However I have no idea what proportion is aero losses vs other. Probably significant though!What's the net gain in efficiency for Cd improvements? Say the Model 3 went from its current rating down to the 0.045 mentioned in the article and somehow did this without changing anything else about the vehicle, for simplicity's sake.
How much would range improve?
The splitter extension probably reduces ground clearance. They claim it only reduces ground clearance by 1/8", but that's probably on a flat surface. A longer "chin" makes it more likely to strike a ramp or driveway.As a Model 3 owner, I've wondered why the aftermarket front and rear spoilers aren't the stock designs, especially if they can offer ~6% efficiency gains!
Not sure about the rear spoiler, but it's a very sharp (thin) edge. May be difficult to manufacture, and/or prone to damage, and possibly a safety issue (e.g. if a cyclist gets "brake checked" by a Tesla driver).
As a Model 3 owner, I've wondered why the aftermarket front and rear spoilers aren't the stock designs, especially if they can offer ~6% efficiency gains!
'cos chances are they don't? This sounds like the same kind of bunk that gets promoted as "fuel saving devices" for ICE vehicles. Nonsense like fuel line magnets, intake air vortex generators, blah blah. they rely heavily on confirmation bias. people install these devices, then subconsciously alter their driving style to be more "gentle" thus fooling themselves into believing the gadget is what improved their gas mileage.
believe me, if Tesla could eke out another 6% with some simple bolt-on devices, they'd be on every car they build. 6% is the kind of gain any car company would spend money to get. the vast majority of the time when any aftermarket bolt on device does make a noticeable difference, it's only in specific situations and often degrades things in other situations.
As a Model 3 owner, I've wondered why the aftermarket front and rear spoilers aren't the stock designs, especially if they can offer ~6% efficiency gains!
'cos chances are they don't? This sounds like the same kind of bunk that gets promoted as "fuel saving devices" for ICE vehicles. Nonsense like fuel line magnets, intake air vortex generators, blah blah. they rely heavily on confirmation bias. people install these devices, then subconsciously alter their driving style to be more "gentle" thus fooling themselves into believing the gadget is what improved their gas mileage.
CdA ist only part of aerodynamic drag which is actually proportional to CdA x v**2. So overall, minimizing speed is the most important factor.But Cd is only part of aerodynamic drag - drag is actually proportional to CdA (i.e. Cd x A), where A is the frontal area. In other words, minimizing the frontal area is just as important as streamlining the shape.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobil ... #Drag_area
Check out the AeroVelo Eta, the speed bike that I worked on in university. It currently holds the human powered speed record - nearly 90 mph just with a buff guy pedaling.
CdA ist only part of aerodynamic drag which is actually proportional to CdA x v**2. So overall, minimizing speed is the most important factor.But Cd is only part of aerodynamic drag - drag is actually proportional to CdA (i.e. Cd x A), where A is the frontal area. In other words, minimizing the frontal area is just as important as streamlining the shape.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobil ... #Drag_area
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As a Model 3 owner, I've wondered why the aftermarket front and rear spoilers aren't the stock designs, especially if they can offer ~6% efficiency gains!
'cos chances are they don't? This sounds like the same kind of bunk that gets promoted as "fuel saving devices" for ICE vehicles. Nonsense like fuel line magnets, intake air vortex generators, blah blah. they rely heavily on confirmation bias. people install these devices, then subconsciously alter their driving style to be more "gentle" thus fooling themselves into believing the gadget is what improved their gas mileage.
Sometimes it is possible! My company remapped all our vans, and put stickers on the back saying they had 25% less emissions. This seemed unlikely, but having driven thousands of miles before and after, I think it's true. I used to get 350-400 miles from a tank of diesel, now I get 450-500 - 25% more range tracks with 25% less emissions.
It doesn't feel any less powerful, but the power is compressed into a narrower band requiring more careful gear choice (like most European vehicles, it's a stick shift). It didn't take me long to get used to it, and now I'm baffled as to why the manufacturer didn't do it - efficiency sells!
Let me guess, they made this change, and told you how to change your driving habits to take best advantage of it. You already mentioned one - change gear shift points. If you'd just taken these advice without modifying the van, you'd have had the same results.As a Model 3 owner, I've wondered why the aftermarket front and rear spoilers aren't the stock designs, especially if they can offer ~6% efficiency gains!
'cos chances are they don't? This sounds like the same kind of bunk that gets promoted as "fuel saving devices" for ICE vehicles. Nonsense like fuel line magnets, intake air vortex generators, blah blah. they rely heavily on confirmation bias. people install these devices, then subconsciously alter their driving style to be more "gentle" thus fooling themselves into believing the gadget is what improved their gas mileage.
Sometimes it is possible! My company remapped all our vans, and put stickers on the back saying they had 25% less emissions. This seemed unlikely, but having driven thousands of miles before and after, I think it's true. I used to get 350-400 miles from a tank of diesel, now I get 450-500 - 25% more range tracks with 25% less emissions.
It doesn't feel any less powerful, but the power is compressed into a narrower band requiring more careful gear choice (like most European vehicles, it's a stick shift). It didn't take me long to get used to it, and now I'm baffled as to why the manufacturer didn't do it - efficiency sells!
Wait, no mention of Tatra 77?
It was the first production car designed with aerodynamics in mind.
Wait, no mention of Tatra 77?
It was the first production car designed with aerodynamics in mind.
And while it's not clear whether 0.212 is the drag coefficient of the car itself or a 1:5 model, Tatra 77/77a and later models were pioneers or teardrop design.
It can be seen in Transatlantic Tunnel movie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatra_77
Edit: added link
Wait, no mention of Tatra 77?
It was the first production car designed with aerodynamics in mind.
And while it's not clear whether 0.212 is the drag coefficient of the car itself or a 1:5 model, Tatra 77/77a and later models were pioneers or teardrop design.
It can be seen in Transatlantic Tunnel movie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatra_77
Edit: added link
I left it out because of that very complication.
But Cd is only part of aerodynamic drag - drag is actually proportional to CdA (i.e. Cd x A), where A is the frontal area. In other words, minimizing the frontal area is just as important as streamlining the shape.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobil ... #Drag_area
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Huh. In my defense, I did read the entire article, but not the sidebar. I guess I'm used to other web sites where boxes contain ads or pull quotes, not sidebars with useful info.
The saying about riding a tiger comes to mind.Check out the AeroVelo Eta, the speed bike that I worked on in university. It currently holds the human powered speed record - nearly 90 mph just with a buff guy pedaling.
I once hit 50mph on a Specialized Rockhopper hardtail mountain bike with 2.2" knobbly tyres, powered by nothing but a skinny 16 year old... with a little help from the Earth's gravity. It was a very steep downhill, which is why I chose it. My tyres were squealing round the bends, I wanted to slow down but I was too afraid to brake, so I had to ride it out. I passed two cars!
That would indeed be scary on knobby tires! My personal terminal speed on a upright bicycle as tested over 50 years or so appears to be 46 mph on road tires, tucking or pedaling. That is not seeking out the longest steepest roads or wearing skin suits and just what I find along the way on normal rides.Check out the AeroVelo Eta, the speed bike that I worked on in university. It currently holds the human powered speed record - nearly 90 mph just with a buff guy pedaling.
I once hit 50mph on a Specialized Rockhopper hardtail mountain bike with 2.2" knobbly tyres, powered by nothing but a skinny 16 year old... with a little help from the Earth's gravity. It was a very steep downhill, which is why I chose it. My tyres were squealing round the bends, I wanted to slow down but I was too afraid to brake, so I had to ride it out. I passed two cars!
A little back of the envelope calculation for the Tesla Model 3: At 80 mph in standard atmosphere, the aerodynamic drag should be on the order of 0.23*1.44*1.85*(80*1.609/3.6)^2*1.29*0.5=505 Newtons. That would fall to 99 Newtons by reducing Cd to 0.045. Rolling resistance, using Wikipedia's value for "Ordinary car tires on concrete" would be in the range 0.01-0.015 times 1611*9.81, so 158-237 Newtons. At low speed, aerodynamic drag would of course be much lower, so the actual range improvement would depend on your typical driving conditions, but might be up to (505+158)/(99+158)=2.58 if you drive 80 mph constantly. Driving in high altitude or high temperature (both reduce air density) would reduce aerodynamic drag and thus also the possible range improvement, but it would still be quite a significant improvement.What's the net gain in efficiency for Cd improvements? Say the Model 3 went from its current rating down to the 0.045 mentioned in the article and somehow did this without changing anything else about the vehicle, for simplicity's sake.
How much would range improve?
Wait, no mention of Tatra 77?
It was the first production car designed with aerodynamics in mind.
And while it's not clear whether 0.212 is the drag coefficient of the car itself or a 1:5 model, Tatra 77/77a and later models were pioneers or teardrop design.
It can be seen in Transatlantic Tunnel movie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatra_77
Edit: added link
I left it out because of that very complication.
Wait, no mention of Tatra 77?
It was the first production car designed with aerodynamics in mind.
The Rumpler Tropfenwagen was more than a decade earlier, and while it might not have used formal aerodynamic engineering, it was streamlined for low drag, and achieved a Cd of 0.28.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumpler_Tropfenwagen
Awesome. I want one.Check out the AeroVelo Eta, the speed bike that I worked on in university. It currently holds the human powered speed record - nearly 90 mph just with a buff guy pedaling.
We calculated our miles per gallon equivalent at 9544 MPGe. We never wind tunnel tested it, so not completely sure what the Cd ended up at, but it might be a little better than the TUDelft vehicle mentioned. Definitely better if you look at CdA, because we only have two wheels.