Study sees almost a foot of sea level rise locked in for Greenland

How long that takes to play out is unclear.

Read the whole story

 

[Qyygle]

My mad scientist idea would be to use explosives to blow off a giant chunk of the glacier while it is still ice and then tow it with a nuclear powered aircraft carrier to northern africa where it could be used to water crops.

This way we could get fresh water where it needed to go and we could help prevent a foot of sea level rise.

Win Win



They used to ship ice before, this is not that crazy of an idea.

Wouldn't blowing the glacier off the bedrock and towing it into the ocean just be inducing most of the sea-level rise immediately? Ice may float, but it's still displacing its volume in water

 

[IncorrigibleTroll]

It was an interesting link, I'll say that. Some of it was Paul Ehrlich talking about possible famine, right before the Green Revolution happened. He obviously didn't predict the widespread adoption of artificial fertilizer (made from natural gas from oil and gas rigs). There was one or two articles on the ozone layer, which was a real thing and we passed comprehensive legislation to avoid that problem. Same thing with acid rain, output of coal plants was cleaned up to some degree, and coal went into a slow decline because of economics.
Several examples of global cooling predicted (like you say these are newspaper & popular magazine articles, not science journals, so I'm not sure how close they stayed to the actual science). Much of that was because in the early 70's there was some question if soot (from smokestacks and exhaust pipes) would overwhelm the warming caused by CO2. It was always known that CO2 had a warming effect. The Clean Air Act did a good job of removing soot (otherwise the air in U.S. cities would look like Beijing now). But CO2 has increased unabated. Also, the science has become much clearer on that issue.

Regarding beheaded's claim that we were inundated with claims that NYC would be underwater by 2015, I'm older than he is, have always followed science & environment articles, and I don't remember anything like that.

It's so wild to me that deniers can point to environmental issues from 50 years ago like acid rain, ozone, and particulates, and smugly claim that because they never became a crisis, that's evidence that the issue was overhyped and lied about - while comfortably ignoring the 50 years of international treaty agreements, legislation, the standup of entire regulatory agencies, and entire fields worth of new technology that went into mitigating those impacts.

Much like how, as a person whose IT career extends back to the late 90s, I get extremely tired of people talking about Y2K being a hoax.

I say we make those people install all the damned patches the next time a big rollover problem like Y2K crops up.

 

[numerobis]

It was an interesting link, I'll say that. Some of it was Paul Ehrlich talking about possible famine, right before the Green Revolution happened. He obviously didn't predict the widespread adoption of artificial fertilizer (made from natural gas from oil and gas rigs). There was one or two articles on the ozone layer, which was a real thing and we passed comprehensive legislation to avoid that problem. Same thing with acid rain, output of coal plants was cleaned up to some degree, and coal went into a slow decline because of economics.
Several examples of global cooling predicted (like you say these are newspaper & popular magazine articles, not science journals, so I'm not sure how close they stayed to the actual science). Much of that was because in the early 70's there was some question if soot (from smokestacks and exhaust pipes) would overwhelm the warming caused by CO2. It was always known that CO2 had a warming effect. The Clean Air Act did a good job of removing soot (otherwise the air in U.S. cities would look like Beijing now). But CO2 has increased unabated. Also, the science has become much clearer on that issue.

Regarding beheaded's claim that we were inundated with claims that NYC would be underwater by 2015, I'm older than he is, have always followed science & environment articles, and I don't remember anything like that.

It's so wild to me that deniers can point to environmental issues from 50 years ago like acid rain, ozone, and particulates, and smugly claim that because they never became a crisis, that's evidence that the issue was overhyped and lied about - while comfortably ignoring the 50 years of international treaty agreements, legislation, the standup of entire regulatory agencies, and entire fields worth of new technology that went into mitigating those impacts before they became crises.

Acid rain, ozone, and particulates weren't solved before they became crises though. Acid rain became a crisis and then we solved it. Ozone became a crisis and then we stopped making it worse. Particulates were a problem and then we improved it in North America (notably in California); same story in China; same story in Europe -- twice; same story in India.

 

[MTSkibum]

My mad scientist idea would be to use explosives to blow off a giant chunk of the glacier while it is still ice and then tow it with a nuclear powered aircraft carrier to northern africa where it could be used to water crops.

This way we could get fresh water where it needed to go and we could help prevent a foot of sea level rise.

Win Win



They used to ship ice before, this is not that crazy of an idea.

The water idea is good. It's not going to help with sea level rise though. Any ice removed from the surface of Greenland will allow Greenland to float higher in the water, but the eventual runoff in Africa will still go into the oceans.

I hope the OP suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but FYI Greenland is an island and is not floating in water. It does, however, float in the mantle.

You misunderstood. You do not tow greenland to africa. You use explosives to break off a very large chunk of the glacier. Then the glacier that is broken off you tow behind the aircraft carrier. I understand that greenland is the worlds island.

My post is only tongue in cheek in the fact that the military would not give me control of their air carrier fleet.
Who knows what I would do if the US military gave me control, it would be something that is not military based though!

 

[MTSkibum]

My mad scientist idea would be to use explosives to blow off a giant chunk of the glacier while it is still ice and then tow it with a nuclear powered aircraft carrier to northern africa where it could be used to water crops.

This way we could get fresh water where it needed to go and we could help prevent a foot of sea level rise.

Win Win



They used to ship ice before, this is not that crazy of an idea.

The water idea is good. It's not going to help with sea level rise though. Any ice removed from the surface of Greenland will allow Greenland to float higher in the water, but the eventual runoff in Africa will still go into the oceans.

If you irrigate correctly you could get the excess irrigation water to recharge the depleted reservoirs.


We spend billions on these aircraft carriers, lets put them to use!

 

[MTSkibum]

My mad scientist idea would be to use explosives to blow off a giant chunk of the glacier while it is still ice and then tow it with a nuclear powered aircraft carrier to northern africa where it could be used to water crops.

This way we could get fresh water where it needed to go and we could help prevent a foot of sea level rise.

Win Win



They used to ship ice before, this is not that crazy of an idea.

Wouldn't blowing the glacier off the bedrock and towing it into the ocean just be inducing most of the sea-level rise immediately? Ice may float, but it's still displacing its volume in water

But you do not let it stay in the water, you drag it to a part of the world that desperately needs water, like northern california, south africa, etc.

 

[MTSkibum]

My posts are getting downvoted, hasn't anyone else seen the expanse. Sometimes you need to use high tech ships to tow the ice where you need water.

I am just ahead of the time i guess.

 

[OrvGull]

My posts are getting downvoted, hasn't anyone else seen the expanse. Sometimes you need to use high tech ships to tow the ice where you need water.

I am just ahead of the time i guess.

It's been suggested before.

As was using repurposed oil tankers to bring fresh water from the Great Lakes to the Middle East.

It's not so much that the physics don't work out, it's that it ends up not being competitive with other methods, like desalinization.

The idea of an aircraft carrier towing a giant iceberg is pretty cool though.

 

[MTSkibum]

My posts are getting downvoted, hasn't anyone else seen the expanse. Sometimes you need to use high tech ships to tow the ice where you need water.

I am just ahead of the time i guess.

It's been suggested before.

As was using repurposed oil tankers to bring fresh water from the Great Lakes to the Middle East.

It's not so much that the physics don't work out, it's that it ends up not being competitive with other methods, like desalinization.

The idea of an aircraft carrier towing a giant iceberg is pretty cool though.

But as per the current article we are going to have a foot of sea level rise even if we cap CO2. This is not about water use, that is just a benefit. The goal is to prevent these glaciers from melting into the ocean.

 

[OrvGull]

My posts are getting downvoted, hasn't anyone else seen the expanse. Sometimes you need to use high tech ships to tow the ice where you need water.

I am just ahead of the time i guess.

It's been suggested before.

As was using repurposed oil tankers to bring fresh water from the Great Lakes to the Middle East.

It's not so much that the physics don't work out, it's that it ends up not being competitive with other methods, like desalinization.

The idea of an aircraft carrier towing a giant iceberg is pretty cool though.

But as per the current article we are going to have a foot of sea level rise even if we cap CO2. This is not about water use, that is just a benefit. The goal is to prevent these glaciers from melting into the ocean.

The problem is most of the uses for that water wind up with it eventually being in the ocean anyway.

Also, this is only a small portion of the sea level rise we're likely to get -- thermal expansion is going to contribute a lot more, eventually.

 

[MTSkibum]

My posts are getting downvoted, hasn't anyone else seen the expanse. Sometimes you need to use high tech ships to tow the ice where you need water.

I am just ahead of the time i guess.

It's been suggested before.

As was using repurposed oil tankers to bring fresh water from the Great Lakes to the Middle East.

It's not so much that the physics don't work out, it's that it ends up not being competitive with other methods, like desalinization.

The idea of an aircraft carrier towing a giant iceberg is pretty cool though.

But as per the current article we are going to have a foot of sea level rise even if we cap CO2. This is not about water use, that is just a benefit. The goal is to prevent these glaciers from melting into the ocean.

The problem is most of the uses for that water wind up with it eventually being in the ocean anyway.

Also, this is only a small portion of the sea level rise we're likely to get -- thermal expansion is going to contribute a lot more, eventually.

It depends on the underlying geography, you can find multiple places globally where agriculture runnoff could help replenish a depleted aquifer.

There are agencies that study this stuff.

https://www.usgs.gov/centers/upper-midw ... roundwater

 

[LongLegsDaddy]

Shouldn't sea level rise calculations be taking into account ice forming and dissolving processes on both poles at the same time?

 

[Snark218]

Shouldn't sea level rise calculations be taking into account ice forming and dissolving processes on both poles at the same time?

What makes you think they don't?

 

[Sjoerd Verweij]

Shouldn't sea level rise calculations be taking into account ice forming and dissolving processes on both poles at the same time?

What makes you think they don't?

Oh sweet merciful God, spare us all from the "I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING ALL THESE PROFESSIONAL SCIENTISTS DID NOT" crowd. Has anyone mentioned solar cycles yet? Or that climate has changed more dramatically in the past?

 

[Sjoerd Verweij]

It was an interesting link, I'll say that. Some of it was Paul Ehrlich talking about possible famine, right before the Green Revolution happened. He obviously didn't predict the widespread adoption of artificial fertilizer (made from natural gas from oil and gas rigs). There was one or two articles on the ozone layer, which was a real thing and we passed comprehensive legislation to avoid that problem. Same thing with acid rain, output of coal plants was cleaned up to some degree, and coal went into a slow decline because of economics.
Several examples of global cooling predicted (like you say these are newspaper & popular magazine articles, not science journals, so I'm not sure how close they stayed to the actual science). Much of that was because in the early 70's there was some question if soot (from smokestacks and exhaust pipes) would overwhelm the warming caused by CO2. It was always known that CO2 had a warming effect. The Clean Air Act did a good job of removing soot (otherwise the air in U.S. cities would look like Beijing now). But CO2 has increased unabated. Also, the science has become much clearer on that issue.

Regarding beheaded's claim that we were inundated with claims that NYC would be underwater by 2015, I'm older than he is, have always followed science & environment articles, and I don't remember anything like that.

It's so wild to me that deniers can point to environmental issues from 50 years ago like acid rain, ozone, and particulates, and smugly claim that because they never became a crisis, that's evidence that the issue was overhyped and lied about - while comfortably ignoring the 50 years of international treaty agreements, legislation, the standup of entire regulatory agencies, and entire fields worth of new technology that went into mitigating those impacts.

Much like how, as a person whose IT career extends back to the late 90s, I get extremely tired of people talking about Y2K being a hoax.

I say we make those people install all the damned patches the next time a big rollover problem like Y2K crops up.

Umm, no, we make them WRITE them. Here bud, have fun with this 20-year-old FORTRAN 77, or COBOL, or C codebase. Or testing it. Here's your AS/400 and VMS manuals champ, we need a test environment tomorrow, enjoy.

 

[Truscott]

It was very naught for Greenland to commit us to Global Warning.

 

[terrydactyl]

I guess Greenland will finally turn green.

It may have taken 1,000 years but Erik the Red would be proven right.

 

[terrydactyl]

My posts are getting downvoted, hasn't anyone else seen the expanse. Sometimes you need to use high tech ships to tow the ice where you need water.

I am just ahead of the time i guess.

It's been suggested before.

As was using repurposed oil tankers to bring fresh water from the Great Lakes to the Middle East.

It's not so much that the physics don't work out, it's that it ends up not being competitive with other methods, like desalinization.

The idea of an aircraft carrier towing a giant iceberg is pretty cool though.

But as per the current article we are going to have a foot of sea level rise even if we cap CO2. This is not about water use, that is just a benefit. The goal is to prevent these glaciers from melting into the ocean.

A small point. The oceans cover 361,000,000 km². Multiplied times 30cm (1 foot) is over 100,000 cubic kilometers.

 

[MTSkibum]

My posts are getting downvoted, hasn't anyone else seen the expanse. Sometimes you need to use high tech ships to tow the ice where you need water.

I am just ahead of the time i guess.

It's been suggested before.

As was using repurposed oil tankers to bring fresh water from the Great Lakes to the Middle East.

It's not so much that the physics don't work out, it's that it ends up not being competitive with other methods, like desalinization.

The idea of an aircraft carrier towing a giant iceberg is pretty cool though.

But as per the current article we are going to have a foot of sea level rise even if we cap CO2. This is not about water use, that is just a benefit. The goal is to prevent these glaciers from melting into the ocean.

A small point. The oceans cover 361,000,000 km². Multiplied times 30cm (1 foot) is over 100,000 cubic kilometers.

That is only 24,000 cubic miles which would be about 7 gigatons.

If an aircraft could tow 2 million tons of ice in 1 trip then it would be about 3,500 trips.

4,000 nautical miles each way at 30 knots unloaded and 5 knots loaded would give an average turnaround time of 2 months per trip. I added about 30% factor on for downtime, repairs, etc.

United states currently has 11 aircraft carriers, add another engineering factor and say only 5 trips per month instead of 5.5.

3500/5 = 700 months
700/12 = 58 years

You would be looking at about ~60 years to move that much ice, well within the timeline of the melt.

Lets get those carriers moving.

 

[MTSkibum]

So many debby downers in this thread.

 

[Oldnoobguy]

Shouldn't sea level rise calculations be taking into account ice forming and dissolving processes on both poles at the same time?

What makes you think they don't?

Oh sweet merciful God, spare us all from the "I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING ALL THESE PROFESSIONAL SCIENTISTS DID NOT" crowd. Has anyone mentioned solar cycles yet? Or that climate has changed more dramatically in the past?

You know something? These here scientists don't know what they are talking about. Did you ever hear of the Great Oxygenation Event? The whole earth was turned into an iceball because PLANTS MAKE OXYGEN! And did you know that carbon dioxide is plant food???!!!! So we're givin' all these plants more food these days and you know what's gonna happen???? THEY'RE GONNA MAKE MORE OXYGEN! I'm telling you, next year, just you wait, there's gonna be so much oxygen that everyone will be able to climb up Mount Everest just like taking the stairs to the second floor.

These scientists think they are so smart. How come they don't know about the Great Oxygenation Event?

 

[Hapticz]

politicians beware, making people swallow their baloney may be their only means to survive....

all the 'pay forward' efforts to help society may be for naught, the earth has bigger plans for all of us.

 

[pcsandmotorcycles]

Greenland may have already committed us to almost a foot of sea level rise
How long that takes to play out is unclear.

Hopefully it's fast. I feel like the Boomer generation needs to take a few on the nose and chin like the rest of us in later generations. The added benefit of shocking some folks into action is a win-win.

The boomers are entering the old-age homes these days (and the White House).

It's millennials who are the greying-hair core of the population now.

Um, I think you a generation.

That's ok, everyone else does too.

Here, this will help.

Dang. They left out a whole generation that includes me. That makes me happy, because it completely backs up the (meritless) stereotype of GenX being complete slackers. So much so we didn't even bother to show up for the roll call.

It makes me happy because we are unlikely to be blamed for anything.

 

[shonthom]

On another note, this sound strikingly similar to other alarmist posts like they had back in the early 2000's where climate scientists figured New York City would be under water by something like 2015. I'd like to believe it there's been way too many wolves being cried for in regards to this particular doomsday scenario.

Easy to call bullshit on claims you barely remember and lie about anyway.

I guess he missed Hurricane Ida.

 

[ScottJohnson]

My posts are getting downvoted, hasn't anyone else seen the expanse. Sometimes you need to use high tech ships to tow the ice where you need water.

I am just ahead of the time i guess.

It's been suggested before.

As was using repurposed oil tankers to bring fresh water from the Great Lakes to the Middle East.

It's not so much that the physics don't work out, it's that it ends up not being competitive with other methods, like desalinization.

The idea of an aircraft carrier towing a giant iceberg is pretty cool though.

But as per the current article we are going to have a foot of sea level rise even if we cap CO2. This is not about water use, that is just a benefit. The goal is to prevent these glaciers from melting into the ocean.

A small point. The oceans cover 361,000,000 km². Multiplied times 30cm (1 foot) is over 100,000 cubic kilometers.

That is only 24,000 cubic miles which would be about 7 gigatons.

If an aircraft could tow 2 million tons of ice in 1 trip then it would be about 3,500 trips.

4,000 nautical miles each way at 30 knots unloaded and 5 knots loaded would give an average turnaround time of 2 months per trip. I added about 30% factor on for downtime, repairs, etc.

United states currently has 11 aircraft carriers, add another engineering factor and say only 5 trips per month instead of 5.5.

3500/5 = 700 months
700/12 = 58 years

You would be looking at about ~60 years to move that much ice, well within the timeline of the melt.

Lets get those carriers moving.

100,000 km^3 of ice would be 92,000 gigatons, not 7. Greenland is currently losing ~277 gigatons each year.

 

[MTSkibum]

My posts are getting downvoted, hasn't anyone else seen the expanse. Sometimes you need to use high tech ships to tow the ice where you need water.

I am just ahead of the time i guess.

It's been suggested before.

As was using repurposed oil tankers to bring fresh water from the Great Lakes to the Middle East.

It's not so much that the physics don't work out, it's that it ends up not being competitive with other methods, like desalinization.

The idea of an aircraft carrier towing a giant iceberg is pretty cool though.

But as per the current article we are going to have a foot of sea level rise even if we cap CO2. This is not about water use, that is just a benefit. The goal is to prevent these glaciers from melting into the ocean.

A small point. The oceans cover 361,000,000 km². Multiplied times 30cm (1 foot) is over 100,000 cubic kilometers.

That is only 24,000 cubic miles which would be about 7 gigatons.

If an aircraft could tow 2 million tons of ice in 1 trip then it would be about 3,500 trips.

4,000 nautical miles each way at 30 knots unloaded and 5 knots loaded would give an average turnaround time of 2 months per trip. I added about 30% factor on for downtime, repairs, etc.

United states currently has 11 aircraft carriers, add another engineering factor and say only 5 trips per month instead of 5.5.

3500/5 = 700 months
700/12 = 58 years

You would be looking at about ~60 years to move that much ice, well within the timeline of the melt.

Lets get those carriers moving.

100,000 km^3 of ice would be 92,000 gigatons, not 7. Greenland is currently losing ~277 gigatons each year.

I guess we are going to need a bigger boat.

 

[numerobis]

I guess we are going to need a bigger boat.

I think your idea has jumped over a Greenland shark at this point

 

[shonthom]

Shouldn't sea level rise calculations be taking into account ice forming and dissolving processes on both poles at the same time?

What makes you think they don't?

Oh sweet merciful God, spare us all from the "I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING ALL THESE PROFESSIONAL SCIENTISTS DID NOT" crowd. Has anyone mentioned solar cycles yet? Or that climate has changed more dramatically in the past?

You know something? These here scientists don't know what they are talking about. Did you ever hear of the Great Oxygenation Event? The whole earth was turned into an iceball because PLANTS MAKE OXYGEN! And did you know that carbon dioxide is plant food???!!!! So we're givin' all these plants more food these days and you know what's gonna happen???? THEY'RE GONNA MAKE MORE OXYGEN! I'm telling you, next year, just you wait, there's gonna be so much oxygen that everyone will be able to climb up Mount Everest just like taking the stairs to the second floor.

These scientists think they are so smart. How come they don't know about the Great Oxygenation Event?

It's common knowledge the climate changes we've seen take place in 100 years normally take thousands of years. It's also known that plants don't grow when CO2 levels are too high. At current levels, we are already seeing the reduction in protein content.

https://globalhealth.washington.edu/new ... -surviving

 

[Oldnoobguy]

Shouldn't sea level rise calculations be taking into account ice forming and dissolving processes on both poles at the same time?

What makes you think they don't?

Oh sweet merciful God, spare us all from the "I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING ALL THESE PROFESSIONAL SCIENTISTS DID NOT" crowd. Has anyone mentioned solar cycles yet? Or that climate has changed more dramatically in the past?

You know something? These here scientists don't know what they are talking about. Did you ever hear of the Great Oxygenation Event? The whole earth was turned into an iceball because PLANTS MAKE OXYGEN! And did you know that carbon dioxide is plant food???!!!! So we're givin' all these plants more food these days and you know what's gonna happen???? THEY'RE GONNA MAKE MORE OXYGEN! I'm telling you, next year, just you wait, there's gonna be so much oxygen that everyone will be able to climb up Mount Everest just like taking the stairs to the second floor.

These scientists think they are so smart. How come they don't know about the Great Oxygenation Event?

It's common knowledge the climate changes we've seen take place in 100 years normally take thousands of years. It's also known that plants don't grow when CO2 levels are too high. At current levels, we are already seeing the reduction in protein content.

https://globalhealth.washington.edu/new ... -surviving

Thanks for your response. I guess I should have put a /s at the end of my post. I assumed that what I was writing was so obviously ridiculous that a sarcasm tag wasn't needed. I should have realized that Poe's Law would still be a thing.

Just to be clear, I agree with all your points.

 

[numerobis]

Shouldn't sea level rise calculations be taking into account ice forming and dissolving processes on both poles at the same time?

What makes you think they don't?

Oh sweet merciful God, spare us all from the "I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING ALL THESE PROFESSIONAL SCIENTISTS DID NOT" crowd. Has anyone mentioned solar cycles yet? Or that climate has changed more dramatically in the past?

You know something? These here scientists don't know what they are talking about. Did you ever hear of the Great Oxygenation Event? The whole earth was turned into an iceball because PLANTS MAKE OXYGEN! And did you know that carbon dioxide is plant food???!!!! So we're givin' all these plants more food these days and you know what's gonna happen???? THEY'RE GONNA MAKE MORE OXYGEN! I'm telling you, next year, just you wait, there's gonna be so much oxygen that everyone will be able to climb up Mount Everest just like taking the stairs to the second floor.

These scientists think they are so smart. How come they don't know about the Great Oxygenation Event?

Everyone knows that industrialization happened just in the nick of time to prevent plants from all starving simultaneously in a way that didn't happen in the previous hundreds of millions of years.

 

[Faceless Man]

It was an interesting link, I'll say that. Some of it was Paul Ehrlich talking about possible famine, right before the Green Revolution happened. He obviously didn't predict the widespread adoption of artificial fertilizer (made from natural gas from oil and gas rigs). There was one or two articles on the ozone layer, which was a real thing and we passed comprehensive legislation to avoid that problem. Same thing with acid rain, output of coal plants was cleaned up to some degree, and coal went into a slow decline because of economics.
Several examples of global cooling predicted (like you say these are newspaper & popular magazine articles, not science journals, so I'm not sure how close they stayed to the actual science). Much of that was because in the early 70's there was some question if soot (from smokestacks and exhaust pipes) would overwhelm the warming caused by CO2. It was always known that CO2 had a warming effect. The Clean Air Act did a good job of removing soot (otherwise the air in U.S. cities would look like Beijing now). But CO2 has increased unabated. Also, the science has become much clearer on that issue.

Regarding beheaded's claim that we were inundated with claims that NYC would be underwater by 2015, I'm older than he is, have always followed science & environment articles, and I don't remember anything like that.

It's so wild to me that deniers can point to environmental issues from 50 years ago like acid rain, ozone, and particulates, and smugly claim that because they never became a crisis, that's evidence that the issue was overhyped and lied about - while comfortably ignoring the 50 years of international treaty agreements, legislation, the standup of entire regulatory agencies, and entire fields worth of new technology that went into mitigating those impacts.

Much like how, as a person whose IT career extends back to the late 90s, I get extremely tired of people talking about Y2K being a hoax.

I say we make those people install all the damned patches the next time a big rollover problem like Y2K crops up.

But that would imply that the entire IT industry, after the Herculean effort to avoid Y2K, learned nothing and went back to its old ways of cutting corners, and creating more major problems down the line for someone else to clean up...

 

[Sjoerd Verweij]

But that would imply that the entire IT industry, after the Herculean effort to avoid Y2K, learned nothing and went back to its old ways of cutting corners, and creating more major problems down the line for someone else to clean up...

Let's just say I'm planning on being retired by 2038. Sure, I'm being silly -- there's no way whatsoever that anything important will be running a pre-5.10 kernel by then, right?

Right?

 

[Faceless Man]

But that would imply that the entire IT industry, after the Herculean effort to avoid Y2K, learned nothing and went back to its old ways of cutting corners, and creating more major problems down the line for someone else to clean up...

Let's just say I'm planning on being retired by 2038. Sure, I'm being silly -- there's no way whatsoever that anything important will be running a pre-5.10 kernel by then, right?

Right?

Old joke from the turn of the century: An IT contractor, exhausted after working for months sorting out Y2K problems for clients, decides to be cryogenically frozen to be awoken in the future, long after everyone has forgotten about Y2K.

He is awoken in the year 2994 by someone who says "We understand you know COBOL."

 

[Sjoerd Verweij]

But that would imply that the entire IT industry, after the Herculean effort to avoid Y2K, learned nothing and went back to its old ways of cutting corners, and creating more major problems down the line for someone else to clean up...

Let's just say I'm planning on being retired by 2038. Sure, I'm being silly -- there's no way whatsoever that anything important will be running a pre-5.10 kernel by then, right?

Right?

Old joke from the turn of the century: An IT contractor, exhausted after working for months sorting out Y2K problems for clients, decides to be cryogenically frozen to be awoken in the future, long after everyone has forgotten about Y2K.

He is awoken in the year 2994 by someone who says "We understand you know COBOL."

True story, from the mid-aughts.

I was applying to a local nut manufacturer named after a precious stone. The interview went swimmingly, until:

Them: "Sure, sure. But besides your SQL Server DBA duties, there would be some legacy interfacing and stuff. Will that be a problem?"

Me (chuckling): "Not at all. I mean, it's not like you'll have me do COBOL maintenance, right?"

*Shocked silence*
*Interview ends quickly and awkwardly*
*My phone rings on the way out*

Recruiter: "WHY DID YOU INSULT THEM?"
Me: "About the COBOL thing?"
"YEAH!"
"Really? Dude, they insulted me. No, wait, YOU insulted me sending me up for that. I'm good with Clipper too, doesn't mean I want a gig in it. Don't fucking call me again."
"Hey, no, wait, I didn't mean-"

God, I hate interviewing. Both ends.

ETA: forgot to add: that shitheel recruiter (as if there's another kind) later emailed me with a golden opportunity to do a migration from a Clipper app to SQL Server, for $28 an hour gross. As savagely underpaid as I have been for the past 20 years (and still am), that really took the insult cake.

 

[adespoton]

But that would imply that the entire IT industry, after the Herculean effort to avoid Y2K, learned nothing and went back to its old ways of cutting corners, and creating more major problems down the line for someone else to clean up...

Let's just say I'm planning on being retired by 2038. Sure, I'm being silly -- there's no way whatsoever that anything important will be running a pre-5.10 kernel by then, right?

Right?

Old joke from the turn of the century: An IT contractor, exhausted after working for months sorting out Y2K problems for clients, decides to be cryogenically frozen to be awoken in the future, long after everyone has forgotten about Y2K.

He is awoken in the year 2994 by someone who says "We understand you know COBOL."

True story, from the mid-aughts.

I was applying to a local nut manufacturer named after a precious stone. The interview went swimmingly, until:

Them: "Sure, sure. But besides your SQL Server DBA duties, there would be some legacy interfacing and stuff. Will that be a problem?"

Me (chuckling): "Not at all. I mean, it's not like you'll have me do COBOL maintenance, right?"

*Shocked silence*
*Interview ends quickly and awkwardly*
*My phone rings on the way out*

Recruiter: "WHY DID YOU INSULT THEM?"
Me: "About the COBOL thing?"
"YEAH!"
"Really? Dude, they insulted me. No, wait, YOU insulted me sending me up for that. I'm good with Clipper too, doesn't mean I want a gig in it. Don't fucking call me again."
"Hey, no, wait, I didn't mean-"

God, I hate interviewing. Both ends.

ETA: forgot to add: that shitheel recruiter (as if there's another kind) later emailed me with a golden opportunity to do a migration from a Clipper app to SQL Server, for $28 an hour gross. As savagely underpaid as I have been for the past 20 years (and still am), that really took the insult cake.

It's amazing how persistent they can be; a recruiter from an agency I used 15 years ago recently contacted me because they had the perfect opportunity for me... doing something that's a subset of what I used to do 15 years ago at about the same rate I was being paid at the time.

No thanks?

 

[OrvGull]

But that would imply that the entire IT industry, after the Herculean effort to avoid Y2K, learned nothing and went back to its old ways of cutting corners, and creating more major problems down the line for someone else to clean up...

Let's just say I'm planning on being retired by 2038. Sure, I'm being silly -- there's no way whatsoever that anything important will be running a pre-5.10 kernel by then, right?

Right?

Old joke from the turn of the century: An IT contractor, exhausted after working for months sorting out Y2K problems for clients, decides to be cryogenically frozen to be awoken in the future, long after everyone has forgotten about Y2K.

He is awoken in the year 2994 by someone who says "We understand you know COBOL."

True story, from the mid-aughts.

I was applying to a local nut manufacturer named after a precious stone. The interview went swimmingly, until:

Them: "Sure, sure. But besides your SQL Server DBA duties, there would be some legacy interfacing and stuff. Will that be a problem?"

Me (chuckling): "Not at all. I mean, it's not like you'll have me do COBOL maintenance, right?"

*Shocked silence*
*Interview ends quickly and awkwardly*
*My phone rings on the way out*

Recruiter: "WHY DID YOU INSULT THEM?"
Me: "About the COBOL thing?"
"YEAH!"
"Really? Dude, they insulted me. No, wait, YOU insulted me sending me up for that. I'm good with Clipper too, doesn't mean I want a gig in it. Don't fucking call me again."
"Hey, no, wait, I didn't mean-"

God, I hate interviewing. Both ends.

ETA: forgot to add: that shitheel recruiter (as if there's another kind) later emailed me with a golden opportunity to do a migration from a Clipper app to SQL Server, for $28 an hour gross. As savagely underpaid as I have been for the past 20 years (and still am), that really took the insult cake.

It's amazing how persistent they can be; a recruiter from an agency I used 15 years ago recently contacted me because they had the perfect opportunity for me... doing something that's a subset of what I used to do 15 years ago at about the same rate I was being paid at the time.

No thanks?

Heh, reminds me of my experience with Google.

1. Recruiter contacts me. I do a long-ass phone interview. No callback.
2. Recruiter contacts me. I do a long-ass phone interview. They invite me for an all-day on-site interview. It's exhausting. Hours in a conference room. They keep tagging in fresh teams to interrogate me. I eventually humiliate myself because I can't concentrate well enough to write code on a white board while people are staring at me. Got a rejection letter a couple days later.
3. Recruiter contacts me. I ask them if their interview teams give ANY feedback, seeing as I bombed the last interview. I ask them why they're trying to get me to waste my time again when I've been rejected twice. I tell them to never call me again.

 

[Sjoerd Verweij]

It's amazing how persistent they can be; a recruiter from an agency I used 15 years ago recently contacted me because they had the perfect opportunity for me... doing something that's a subset of what I used to do 15 years ago at about the same rate I was being paid at the time.

No thanks?

The buzzword bingo is getting out of hand, and recruiters don't care -- why would they? A position with keywords "SQL, NoSQL, Big Data, Cloud" could match me 0% or 100%, depending on what they actually mean. I've been a data architect for 20 years but have never been called that. Sigh...

I'm particularly bitter about this because recruiters keep throwing people at us for our 10 open positions that are hilariously unqualified but "deserve a shot" because of connections... I'm losing 5-10 hours a week interviewing people that range from "maybe, as an intern" to "maybe, as a janitor intern".

 

[Veritas super omens]

I guess we are going to need a bigger boat.

I think your idea has jumped over a Greenland shark at this point

No wonder that fish was in Belize on vacation!

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/31/11148079 ... -in-belize

 

[Veritas super omens]

But that would imply that the entire IT industry, after the Herculean effort to avoid Y2K, learned nothing and went back to its old ways of cutting corners, and creating more major problems down the line for someone else to clean up...

Let's just say I'm planning on being retired by 2038. Sure, I'm being silly -- there's no way whatsoever that anything important will be running a pre-5.10 kernel by then, right?

Right?

Old joke from the turn of the century: An IT contractor, exhausted after working for months sorting out Y2K problems for clients, decides to be cryogenically frozen to be awoken in the future, long after everyone has forgotten about Y2K.

He is awoken in the year 2994 by someone who says "We understand you know COBOL."

Turns out he was a slacker pizza delivery dude...

 

[Sjoerd Verweij]

But that would imply that the entire IT industry, after the Herculean effort to avoid Y2K, learned nothing and went back to its old ways of cutting corners, and creating more major problems down the line for someone else to clean up...

Let's just say I'm planning on being retired by 2038. Sure, I'm being silly -- there's no way whatsoever that anything important will be running a pre-5.10 kernel by then, right?

Right?

Old joke from the turn of the century: An IT contractor, exhausted after working for months sorting out Y2K problems for clients, decides to be cryogenically frozen to be awoken in the future, long after everyone has forgotten about Y2K.

He is awoken in the year 2994 by someone who says "We understand you know COBOL."

Turns out he was a slacker pizza delivery dude...

Should've hired the ex-crack-addict selling magazines door-to-door...