Study sees almost a foot of sea level rise locked in for Greenland

How long that takes to play out is unclear.

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[Oldnoobguy]

On another note, this sound strikingly similar to other alarmist posts like they had back in the early 2000's where climate scientists figured New York City would be under water by something like 2015. I'd like to believe it there's been way too many wolves being cried for in regards to this particular doomsday scenario.

Easy to call bullshit on claims you barely remember and lie about anyway.

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-yea ... edictions/

There's been plenty of them, a lot of coming from respected scientists. I'm not saying it's not going to happen, I'm saying if you're near your 40's like I am, it's been pounded into you so many times it's easy to write it off.

As long as you apply considerable energy to the project of refusing to understand them and actively seek out bullshit propaganda sources to reassure yourself, maybe.

It's not propaganda when it comes with receipts man. Listen, I'm not arguing whether it's going to happen or not, it's just easy to dismiss when back in the late 90's and early 2000's they were all saying it's basically going to be waterworld by 2015. Climate Science isn't easy and there's literally hundreds of times they've been wrong about things and right about others.

I'm for green energy and electric cars, I have solar panels myself. I'm just giving you the reason why a lot of millenial/xennial people like myself roll our eyes over apocalyptic climate science articles now. Is it bad? Probably. But you can only take so much before you dismiss a lot of the doomsday shit.

I took a look at your nonsense link. Funny thing about the articles there. I didn't see much in the way of scientific journals. I saw a bunch of headlines predicting disaster. I did see an occasional quote from a reputable scientist. All of the quotes were brief and none of them actually supported the headlines. Why? All the scientists' statements were nuanced using words like, "could".

In summary all your link proves is that you really need to take a class or two in critical thinking.

 

[Oldnoobguy]

Because we didn't have the internet back then genius, and even in the late 90's we barely had functioning search engines, nearly nothing of news was online and general purpose computers were over $2,000. Like I said, when your main form of global/international information keeps pounding into you about doomsday scenarios that turned out that never happened, you tend to ignore future doomsday scenarios.

Did you go to school back then? Were you even a sperm in your daddy's ballsack? If not, don't speak about the time that I grew up in and what I (and other people) personally went through.

Did I deny Climate Change? No.
Did I say it was probably a bad mindset? Yes.
Am I *for* a cleaner planet? Yes.

So instead of bashing someone literally trying to tell you *why* they think the way they do, but yet is still on board with a greener planet, maybe you should shut your mouth and think from their perspective instead of trying to alienate people that are on the fence about doomsday scenarios but still support green initiatives.

There is a reason I chose my username. FYI I am old enough to remember watching JFK's funeral, the first moon landing, and the Watergate hearings. I remember how angry my Dad was when he read about Catonsville Nine. Less than a decade later I demonstrated with Daniel Berrigan. I also remember reading some of the headlines in your link. Critical thinking was needed back then just like now.

 

[Oldnoobguy]

Because we didn't have the internet back then genius, and even in the late 90's we barely had functioning search engines, nearly nothing of news was online and general purpose computers were over $2,000. Like I said, when your main form of global/international information keeps pounding into you about doomsday scenarios that turned out that never happened, you tend to ignore future doomsday scenarios.

Did you go to school back then? Were you even a sperm in your daddy's ballsack? If not, don't speak about the time that I grew up in and what I (and other people) personally went through.

Did I deny Climate Change? No.
Did I say it was probably a bad mindset? Yes.
Am I *for* a cleaner planet? Yes.

So instead of bashing someone literally trying to tell you *why* they think the way they do, but yet is still on board with a greener planet, maybe you should shut your mouth and think from their perspective instead of trying to alienate people that are on the fence about doomsday scenarios but still support green initiatives.

There is a reason I chose my username. FYI I am old enough to remember watching JFK's funeral, the first moon landing, and the Watergate hearings. I remember how angry my Dad was when he read about Catonsville Nine. Less than a decade later I demonstrated with Daniel Berrigan. I also remember reading some of the headlines in your link. Critical thinking was needed back then just like now.

Apparently you missed this this part:

Did I deny Climate Change? No.
Did I say it was probably a bad mindset? Yes.
Am I *for* a cleaner planet? Yes.

Nope, didn't miss a thing. None of those obviate the reasons for my earlier recommendation.

 

[Oldnoobguy]

Rising sea level is definitely going to be a problem, but I think the worst of it is potentially far enough into the future that we'll have time to waste a bunch of resources on sea-walls and the like before the inevitable becomes undeniable.

The more immediate threat for many, many Americans is going to be access to fresh water.

Between Lake Mead and the Colorado river running dry, the decades-long megadrought in the Southwest, and Arizona letting the Saudis slurp up as much groundwater as they like, there are going to be lot of thirsty people and failing ag-economies.

And then there are the projections that in the next 30 years a good chunk of the Midwest and South could become part of a "heat belt" with regular summer temperatures pushing a heat-index of 125 F or more, potentially limiting year-round habitability in those areas.

Now recall that roughly a third of the population lives on the coasts, so when the sea-rise mitigation efforts fail, there are going to be just that many more people looking for a new place to live.

If you have younger children (or grandchildren) that you care about, the smart money right now would be to relocate to somewhere in the Great Lakes watershed and start preparing them to join the state-regulated militias that will be vital to protecting their interests in the largest remaining source of fresh water in North America from the pitiable masses of climate change refugees.

Multiple times over the last 10 or more years in various encounters with climate change denying idiots, I have stated I resisted my wife's desire in the early 90's to move to the Southwest. I told her that with the way we were burning fossil fuels, and the strain the human population was already putting on water resources in that region, we would be much better off staying in the Great Lakes region, since fresh water would become a major resource issue within our lifetime. I am not a scientist, but anyone paying attention back then would have been able to predict the climate shit storm that's beginning now. Of course those climate change denying shit-for-brains idiots would respond that I was crazy. I knew nothing back then about wet bulb temperatures or that the Midwest would likely have days with a 125 degree index by mid century, but it was already clear to anyone with basic science literacy that unless we radically reduced fossil fuel burning back then, large areas of the world would not be able to sustain their human population in the 21st century. I literally am writing this with tears in my eyes because this existential disaster didn't have to happen. God damn it all to hell. Being able to say I told you so to those fuck heads is the last thing I would ever want.

 

[Oldnoobguy]

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Nonsense redacted

Downvote and name call away. I think it's funny.

Already downvoted. Others in this thread have already posted graphs and links to articles that provide lots of evidence and clear explanations of the existential crisis of our own collective making that we are facing. Your post clearly shows your inability to comprehend what was already posted. You obviously don't understand the difference between weather and climate or local and global. Clearly explaining such differences would go right over your head because you obviously don't comprehend a more fundamental concept, part vs whole. To assist you with acquiring knowledge of this basic concept I have found an educational video for you. Please find a preschooler to explain any elements in the video that are too advanced for you.

Edit: Fixed link

 

[Oldnoobguy]

Greenland gained a Giga ton of ice only yesterday and gains for this year alone is far over the average, so what are you talking about?

Do you have a source?

The Danish observation sites are the authoritative sources for information about Greenland ice since this is Danish territory.

polarportal.dk is displaying a down message right now, so linking a couple of charts from a couple days back.

7 Gigaton net gain this day:

Average gain so far this year (2022)

What a complete and total waste of electrons. Look chucklefuck, posting a graph of a single year isn't "research", it's propaganda.

It wasnt even a single year, but a singular day they are taking and running with

Yeah, after that post Wheels replied to, it seems that this one day is the latest climate denier talking point. Some floating turd found a graph with pretty colors and a portion that points in a direction they largely approve of so therefore it's "science".

I didn't think that deniers could get any dumber, but they have absolutely proven me wrong.

Based on decades of responding to climate denier shit, I have developed this rule.

Just like entropy, climate change denier stupidity will always increase with time.

 

[Oldnoobguy]

Based on decades of responding to climate denier shit, I have developed this rule.

Just like entropy, climate change denier stupidity will always increase with time.

It's inevitable with any form of denialism of an actual phenomenon: over time, evidence for the phenomenon will continue to accrue, so the denialists are forced to grow increasingly deranged in order to maintain denial. See also: flat earthers in the space age.

Another even more depressing example is those who even as they lay dying in the ICU from COVID insisting that COVID was a liberal hoax. I really believe that the next frontier for health science is to be able to analyze and treat the complex social, psychological, cultural, and economic factors that underlie the current epidemic of conspiracy theory based denialism. This is an epidemic even more pernicious than COVID-19 that stands a good chance of destroying not just liberal advanced societies, but also human civilization and perhaps even the species itself.

 

[Oldnoobguy]

Shouldn't sea level rise calculations be taking into account ice forming and dissolving processes on both poles at the same time?

What makes you think they don't?

Oh sweet merciful God, spare us all from the "I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING ALL THESE PROFESSIONAL SCIENTISTS DID NOT" crowd. Has anyone mentioned solar cycles yet? Or that climate has changed more dramatically in the past?

You know something? These here scientists don't know what they are talking about. Did you ever hear of the Great Oxygenation Event? The whole earth was turned into an iceball because PLANTS MAKE OXYGEN! And did you know that carbon dioxide is plant food???!!!! So we're givin' all these plants more food these days and you know what's gonna happen???? THEY'RE GONNA MAKE MORE OXYGEN! I'm telling you, next year, just you wait, there's gonna be so much oxygen that everyone will be able to climb up Mount Everest just like taking the stairs to the second floor.

These scientists think they are so smart. How come they don't know about the Great Oxygenation Event?

 

[Oldnoobguy]

Shouldn't sea level rise calculations be taking into account ice forming and dissolving processes on both poles at the same time?

What makes you think they don't?

Oh sweet merciful God, spare us all from the "I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING ALL THESE PROFESSIONAL SCIENTISTS DID NOT" crowd. Has anyone mentioned solar cycles yet? Or that climate has changed more dramatically in the past?

You know something? These here scientists don't know what they are talking about. Did you ever hear of the Great Oxygenation Event? The whole earth was turned into an iceball because PLANTS MAKE OXYGEN! And did you know that carbon dioxide is plant food???!!!! So we're givin' all these plants more food these days and you know what's gonna happen???? THEY'RE GONNA MAKE MORE OXYGEN! I'm telling you, next year, just you wait, there's gonna be so much oxygen that everyone will be able to climb up Mount Everest just like taking the stairs to the second floor.

These scientists think they are so smart. How come they don't know about the Great Oxygenation Event?

It's common knowledge the climate changes we've seen take place in 100 years normally take thousands of years. It's also known that plants don't grow when CO2 levels are too high. At current levels, we are already seeing the reduction in protein content.

https://globalhealth.washington.edu/new ... -surviving

Thanks for your response. I guess I should have put a /s at the end of my post. I assumed that what I was writing was so obviously ridiculous that a sarcasm tag wasn't needed. I should have realized that Poe's Law would still be a thing.

Just to be clear, I agree with all your points.