CNBC wrote that when “a reporter noted there have been other allegations of insider trading on prediction markets about the Iran war, Trump said, ‘You know the whole world, unfortunately, has become somewhat of a casino.’” Trump also said that he is “not happy with any of that stuff.”
Genuinely curious - can this even qualify as insider trading?
i'm pretty ok with prediction markets in principle, but this is starting to move my needle away. i guess i was naive to assume that people wouldn't try to bet (and essentially leak) national security information for profit.
Wasting a large proportion of the nation's resources on financial engineering (aka glorified gambling) is a big part of the reason why the US is falling behind China in the real world.'to have any utility requires "insider trading"'
You are conflating public and private information.
What makes it an efficient market is the public information. The participants who are better at making decisions on partial information produce more accurate predictions.
Decisions made on private information are a market failure and are inefficient.
ALSO: Traders on these markets are starting to try to corrupt real world things like journalism and government officials.More on topic, anyone who bets on unregulated markets like this that are obviously vulnerable to insider trading is an idiot and deserves all the losses they're hopefully getting.
I'm not even going to bother commenting on what a scumbag Trump is.
More interesting here is an ongoing major, unplanned, undebated expansion of government. Consider for a moment the purpose of regulation of the financial markets. Initially they were not meaningfully regulated. Cornering the market was an obvious goal of all cutthroat merchants and early industrialists. It was only with successive disasters that had wide social impact the 1933 act came along trying to (and by and large succeeding) seriously regulate these matters.
I bring this up because human law reacts to social needs, not theoretical, mathematical law.
What need is actually served by regulating prediction markets? I feel similarly about regulating casinos (or relatively benign drugs like pot and alcohol). Crypto, too. If we had the widespread drama that ensued in the Great Depression, toothy laws similar to 1933 would obviously be warranted. But, at least so far, we have not in the case of prediction markets and crypto generally. The War on Drugs really hurt the country, but you can hardly blame drugs for that. We did that to ourselves with the law.
What has happened is a few fools have gambled away their money or ruined their lives chasing other addictions. If you think law can really stop that, I got a bridge to sell you. The best law can do is slow down the chaos and keep it from being an all-consuming epidemic as in the Great Depression (and earlier episodes, especially the 1890s).
We didn't have any debate as a society on whether prediction markets should be regulated. We just watched government assert that people betting inside information is illegal. I don't think it is or should be -- either prediction markets are illegal casinos (and sure, maybe they're completely illegal then), or really, I don't care much about what happens on them. I feel similarly on crypto. I feel similarly about relatively benign drugs, and less so about catastrophic ones like crack or fentanyl.
Crypto and prediction markets should probably be banned entirely, as China did with crypto (to really no one's harm). But short of that? Fools will find a way to lose their money. I certainly don't want to pay taxes to help fools drink poison more safely. That's a pointless exercise, if it is not a national emergency.
as an aside, anyone interested in the topic of insider trading should subscribe to Matt Levine on Bloomberg. You don't have to pay to do that. He humorously teaches what amounts to a postgrad class in the lore and legal tussles of insider trading, among other things.
What are the odds that other senior administration officials were on the opposite side of this wager?If I were a betting man, I’d be on poly market betting Trump would respect the grift with a stern don’t do it again and pardon him. But maybe the man only does things that benefit him.
Not every use of words needs to be legally precise. It's trading on a prediction market based on information that is secret, i.e., inside information. The underlying principle here is the same as insider trading. Whether it meets the legal definition is of questionable relevance.Short answer is it isn't. It would have been nice if the article put "insider trading" in quotes. I get they were using it illustratively but there is no prediction market specific insider trading laws. He was charged with illegally using/disclosing classified material.
Misuse of classified materials is illegal even outside of prediction market. More than one person has disclosed classified materials in order to win arguments on warthunder (a video game). That is just as illegal although dumber.
Yes, in a corrupt regime, the primary lesson about breaking the law to profit is to remember to kick back the required 50% up the chain, Gotta pay your insurance premiums.How much of that $410k will he have to use tobribe Trumpcontribute to Trump's presidential library fund to get the pardon?
1789 Capital Invested in Polymarket. He's not an employee, he's a partial owner.Just a reminder that trump’s kid works for the bookie who took this bet.
As others have pointed out this isn't technically insider trading because he's not trading regulated securities. However, I just want to add that insider trading doesn't require you to have information about something that's guaranteed to happen. It just requires you to use information that's not publicly available. If your company is about to be bought at a significant premium and you find out about it before it's publicly announced, you can't buy a bunch of stock. Even if the deal falls through, you'd still be guilty of insider trading.Funny how emphasis goes in the newstitles...
Most play on the "Soldier charged for betting" tune, then a few "...using classified info". Kudos to Ars for stating this correctly...
I find the idiocy of taking the risk of leaking info that can get your people killed by taking bets that make hostile entities' ability to put two and two together to be orders of magnitude higher than the betting itself.
Genuinely curious - can this even qualify as insider trading?
The guy used information about an upcoming military action, but no result of that action was guaranteed.
Are boxers that are overwhelmingly favorites prohibited from betting on themselves winning? This stuff has always been quite foggy to me. An imaginary boxer shouldn't be prohibited from betting on therself just because they feel in great shape, would they?
Hey now, there's nothing more noble than winning an argument on the internet. Why would we spend so much time on it if it were not so?Short answer is it isn't. It would have been nice if the article put "insider trading" in quotes. I get they were using it illustratively but there is no prediction market specific insider trading laws. He was charged with illegally using/disclosing classified material.
Misuse of classified materials is illegal even outside of prediction market. More than one person has disclosed classified materials in order to win arguments on warthunder (a video game). That is just as illegal although dumber.
That's what surprised me. How is the DOJ charging and active duty military member with anything? Isn't he subject to the Uniformed Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) first? After his court martial and sentencing to a military prison/work camp, THEN the DOJ can have him.Funny how emphasis goes in the newstitles...
Most play on the "Soldier charged for betting" tune, then a few "...using classified info". Kudos to Ars for stating this correctly...
I find the idiocy of taking the risk of leaking info that can get your people killed by taking bets that make hostile entities' ability to put two and two together to be orders of magnitude higher than the betting itself.
Genuinely curious - can this even qualify as insider trading?
The guy used information about an upcoming military action, but no result of that action was guaranteed.
Are boxers that are overwhelmingly favorites prohibited from betting on themselves winning? This stuff has always been quite foggy to me. An imaginary boxer shouldn't be prohibited from betting on therself just because they feel in great shape, would they?
I don't think this is right. He was charged with commodities fraud and sued by the CFTC, which is exactly how you'd expect an insider trading case to be charged. US insider trading law isn't really based on fairness, it's based on theft. That's why the charges take care to point out that he had "a duty of trust and confidence to maintain the confidentiality" of the info. You're allowed to trade commodities based on your own information (and we've decided to regulate these things as commodities futures for some reason). It would be absurd if an oil refinery wasn't allowed to buy oil futures based because they knew how much oil they planned to process next month, but it's not ok for the refinery's employees to use their employer's private plans to front-run them because they're under an NDA.Short answer is it isn't. It would have been nice if the article put "insider trading" in quotes. I get they were using it illustratively but there is no prediction market specific insider trading laws. He was charged with illegally using/disclosing classified material.
Misuse of classified materials is illegal even outside of prediction market. More than one person has disclosed classified materials in order to win arguments on warthunder (a video game). That is just as illegal although dumber.
I wonder if he might be charged both by DoJ and Court Martial?That's what surprised me. How is the DOJ charging and active duty military member with anything? Isn't he subject to the Uniformed Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) first? After his court martial and sentencing to a military prison/work camp, THEN the DOJ can have him.
no, i admit i haven't been paying attention. this is the first article that has really brought this issue to my attention.You haven't been paying attention.
Polymarket user magamyman mand $515k betting on the initial US strike on Iran, 71 minutes before it happened:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...ly-pockets-500k-before-news-broke/ar-AA1ZTSB7
And in the commodities markets:
https://www.reuters.com/legal/gover...urprises-warrant-scrutiny-experts-2026-03-29/
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Being in the military doesn't grant you immunity to prosecution in the courts.That's what surprised me. How is the DOJ charging and active duty military member with anything? Isn't he subject to the Uniformed Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) first? After his court martial and sentencing to a military prison/work camp, THEN the DOJ can have him.
Being in the military doesn't grant you immunity to prosecution in the courts.That's what surprised me. How is the DOJ charging and active duty military member with anything? Isn't he subject to the Uniformed Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) first? After his court martial and sentencing to a military prison/work camp, THEN the DOJ can have him.
The current prediction markets allow betting on almost anything and so create a huge surface area for manipulation. That manipulation is concerning as, to use the Israeli journalist story mentioned by an earlier commentator as an example, it encourages threats or violence against others to swing the bet.What does a prediction market do that causes additional harm? Or crypto, frankly? It causes the people who took the wrong side of a bet (or tried to not be the greater fool) to lose money, but that's exactly what happens in a casino, too. So what else is going on that I don't see?
n.b. The reason stock market insider trading is different is the ability when manipulating markets to cause a stampede and wipe out whole swathes of totally unrelated people, but that isn't remotely true about bets in a prediction market, or a racetrack, or a casino.
Buying a stock is a absolutely not the same thing as gambling on a prediction market.prediction markets in principle aren't any different than the stock market or a futures market.
asking people to put a price on the information they know or on their expectations is a useful signal, either in markets, or societally.
Maybe for you.Buying a stock is a absolutely not the same thing as gambling on a prediction market.
The issue isn't that there isn't a law to cover that crime. It's that it incentivizes committing that crime.Pretty sure both of you in that example would be prosecutable for conspiracy to commit murder, so the existing laws cover the specific scenario you imagine just fine. The laws the AGs are trying to use aren't remotely related to such scenarios.
Polymarket came back to the US in late 2025 (guess why).any details on how they found him?
my understanding is that access to Poly is very restricted inside the US (without a VPN?) and transactions are typically linked to crypto accounts?
I know such things are not 100% private, but he probably jumped through a few hoops to hide his identity
Somewhere in China a spy is sitting at his desk, wondering why he spent long nights day after day for 30 years learning how to predict US military operations and decisions, when now you just need to look for suspicious bets on a public betting market.
And he did it with +/- 2 years left before getting his 20. Looks like he got nabbed by the DOJ and not military police, but I'd expect he'll be drummed out of the Army prior to getting any retirement benefits. Good riddance to bad rubbish.Everyone I know in the military/DoD and adjacent industries immediately knew it was an insider, someone with clearance and eyes on shit they should not be talking about, making those bets. It's not at all surprising.