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Here are the specific details on video playback formats for the December update:<BR><BR><I>What exactly does the Xbox 360 support for AVI?<BR><BR>Xbox 360 supports the following for AVI:<BR><BR><UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI> File Extensions: .avi, .divx<BR><LI> Containers: AVI<BR><LI> Video Profiles: MPEG-4 Part 2, Simple & Advanced Simple Profile<BR><LI> Video Bitrate: 5 Mbps with resolutions of 1280 x 720 at 30fps. See question number 11 for more information.<BR><LI> Audio Profiles: Dolby® Digital 2 channel and 5.1 channel, MP3<BR><LI> Audio Max Bitrate: No restrictions. See question number 11 for more information.</UL><BR><BR>What exactly does the Xbox 360 support for H.264?<BR><BR>Xbox 360 supports the following for H.264:<BR><BR><UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI> File Extensions: .mp4, .m4v, mp4v, .mov<BR><LI> Containers: MPEG-4, QuickTime<BR><LI> Video Profiles: Baseline, main, and high (up to Level 4.1) profiles.<BR><LI> Video Bitrate: 10 Mbps with resolutions of 1920 x 1080 at 30fps. See question number 11 for more information.<BR><LI> Audio Profiles: 2 channel AAC low complexity (LC)<BR><LI> Audio Max Bitrate: No restrictions. See question number 11 for more information.</UL><BR><BR>What exactly does the Xbox 360 support for MPEG-4 Part 2?<BR><BR>Xbox 360 supports the following for MPEG-4:<BR><BR><UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI> File Extensions: .mp4, .m4v, .mp4v, .mov<BR><LI> Containers: MPEG-4, QuickTime<BR><LI> Video Profiles: Simple & **Advanced Simple Profile<BR><LI> Video Bitrate: 5 Mbps with resolutions of 1280 x 720 at 30fps. See question number 11 for more information.<BR><LI> Audio Profiles: 2 channel AAC low complexity (LC)<BR><LI> Audio Max Bitrate: No restrictions. See question number 11 for more information.</UL><BR><BR>What exactly does the Xbox 360 support for WMV (VC-1)?<BR><BR>Xbox 360 supports the following for WMV:<BR><BR><UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI> File Extensions: .wmv<BR><LI> Container: asf<BR><LI> Video Profiles: WMV7 (WMV1), WMV8 (WMV2), WMV9 (WMV3), VC-1 (WVC1 or WMVA) in simple, main, and advanced up to Level 3<BR><LI> Video Bitrate: 15 Mbps with resolutions of 1920 x 1080 at 30fps. See question number 11 for more information.<BR><LI> Audio Profiles: WMA7/8, WMA 9 Pro (stereo and 5.1), WMA lossless<BR><LI> Audio Max Bitrate: No restrictions. See question number 11 for more information.</UL><BR><BR><BR>Can I mix and match the video and audio codecs outside of those defined in questions 1 through 4 above?<BR><BR>No you cannot. We only support each audio and video codec in the explicit containers defined in questions 1 through 4.</I><BR><BR>MUCH more info at<BR>http://blogs.msdn.com/xboxteam/ http://blogs.msdn.com/xboxteam/
 

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It should be noted that there are no hard-coded limits for bitrate, resolution or size of the media-files, the numbers in Nerf's post are merely what MS tested up to - it should play anything up to the point where power and bandwidth are limiting factors. (And bandwidth would probably limit performance way before power does, if their codec is efficient... 3x3.2GHz cores should be able to decode quite high-res, compressed content).<BR><BR>L.
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Semi On:<BR>I'm a little annoyed that the video additions don't apply to the MCE extender software, only the dashboard. What the hell is the limitation there? </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'd imagine because it's something the Media Center team needs to address, not the Xbox team.<BR><BR>pdampier - get on it; chop chop!
 

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<div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lestat:<br>only downside is you aren't able to access stuff that's mapped to your computer, only stuff that's locally stored. (Unless I'm wrong, in which case I'd love to hear how, I've tried to trick the system). </div>
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<br>You're wrong. -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif --<br><br>Fire up WMP11, bring up the Options menu, pick the Library tab, click Monitor Folders..., then just add whatever network folder that you wanted to be part of the WMP11 library. I just give the UNC path (\\server\share) to the shared folder on my Linux system that houses my music library. Just make sure that filesystem and share permissions are set correctly.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bolero:<BR>Is anyone else having issues with Connect360 and the Fall Update. Before this morning, I never had any problem browsing the files shared through Connect360. Today, it doesn't see anything. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Have you restarted Connect 360? I had to before the 360 could see it again.
 

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Seems very nice so far. I'll have to play around with the streaming tomorrow.<BR><BR>Is it just me, or is the dashboard <B>much</B> more responsive?<BR><BR><BR>Oh yea – I was seriously considering Psychonauts (although the price is a bit high, as Lestat said games are way expensive here anyway), but the 5+GB makes the 20GB HD seem like a joke (well it always was, but at least I could ignore it).
 

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<div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bolero:<br>Is anyone else having issues with Connect360 and the Fall Update. Before this morning, I never had any problem browsing the files shared through Connect360. Today, it doesn't see anything. </div>
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<br>Have you restarted Connect 360? I had to before the 360 could see it again. </div>
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Hahaha, just hard crashed my 360 and my Vista machine testing the Media Center Connector with the update.<BR><BR>Awesome.<BR><BR>Well, back to testing more, let's see how much more I can kill.<BR><BR>[EDIT] If you set up the Media Center Extender, is that the <B>only</B> way you can see your pics and vids, then? I can't seem to find anything in the pics and vids folders on the 360 when I point the source at my PC. :/
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Coleman:<BR>Anyone trying the latest Tversity with this(I'm trying to stream from a SBS server so no WMP11, at least not without some fancy footwork).<BR><BR>I can see vids, but everything is telling me that I need the update, but I've got the update. Hmmm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The media update? As I understand it there is an updated version now. Supposedly if you play anything locally (directly from the xbox) that needs that update it will download it. I haven't been able to find it on the marketplace.
 
EDIT -- It works! I had to manually re-add all my shit and now I have most of my files streaming!<BR><BR>I do have some issues though. A lot of my music videos show up on my 360 now -- there is a preview 'thumbnail' showing frames from each video as though it's compatible to play; however, there is a red icon next to each and when I attempt to play the music videos.<BR><BR>Does a program exist to do a quick batch conversion of these types of files to a format compatible with the 360? Freeware is great, if not, the cheaper the better. Thanks!
 

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I don't know if this is related to the update, but it sure is serendipitous otherwise -- my Call of Duty 4 is behaving like an autistic child. It keeps locking up when I open the guide window, I'm getting kicked outof matchmaking left and right and even inviting people to my party can go haywire. I know other people are/were experiencing this, as the few matchmaking games I've gotten into people discussed it.<BR><BR>Seems to have passed, for now... the most annoying bits were those related to the guide, which is what makes me believe it's the update. Or possibly the update jamming up live?
 

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<div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lestat:<br>only downside is you aren't able to access stuff that's mapped to your computer, only stuff that's locally stored. (Unless I'm wrong, in which case I'd love to hear how, I've tried to trick the system). </div>
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<br>You're wrong. -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif --<br><br>Fire up WMP11, bring up the Options menu, pick the Library tab, click Monitor Folders..., then just add whatever network folder that you wanted to be part of the WMP11 library. I just give the UNC path (\\server\share) to the shared folder on my Linux system that houses my music library. Just make sure that filesystem and share permissions are set correctly. </div>
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<br><br>This requires WMP11 and a valid copy of XP, unless it's been opened up like IE7 was a while back?<br><br>I'll also report that Windows Media Connect is now broken as well, shame too. I liked the little sys-tray app, it did it's thing and didn't bother anyone.<br><br>- CG
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by reynolds_mike:<BR>EDIT -- It works! I had to manually re-add all my shit and now I have most of my files streaming!<BR><BR>I do have some issues though. A lot of my music videos show up on my 360 now -- there is a preview 'thumbnail' showing frames from each video as though it's compatible to play; however, there is a red icon next to each and when I attempt to play the music videos.<BR><BR>Does a program exist to do a quick batch conversion of these types of files to a format compatible with the 360? Freeware is great, if not, the cheaper the better. Thanks! </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://www.runtime360.com/projects/transcode-360/
 

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Ok finallly got it working. It seems that the video codec part didn't download correctly for me. I re-did the download and it was all happiness.<BR><BR>I did notice that WMP11 still doesn't seem to like re-sharing stuff from a network share, or at least it doesn't for me. So I'm streaming from TVersity running on my server, which is fine with me.<BR><BR>Also, the trigger control isn't as nice as XBMC, but it's acceptable. I wish they would just give in and totally imitate XBMC in that regard. The bumper skip is nice though.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by XaiaX:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I don't know if something's broken with my X360 but it won't recognize an external drive plugged into the USB port. USB flash drives work, though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Has to be FAT. (32 or 16 should be fine)<BR><BR>NTFS no workie, as hfarberg says.<BR><BR>The question, however, is "Why the hell not?!" MS owns NTFS, right? It's not like they'd have to pay a license or anything. They have numerous OSes with support for the thing, not like they don't have experience with it. WTF is my NTFS support? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I would imagine it has to do with teh consent decree. Only teh windows team can use undocumented windows APIs and formats.
 
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<br><br>What codecs does gspot report are being used with these files?
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I would imagine it has to do with teh consent decree. Only teh windows team can use undocumented windows APIs and formats. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Sounds like FUD, there are open source and third party tools that will read NTFS perfectly well. Some will even write. It's not like they need write access, though. Besides, the 360's core OS is based on "Windows", anyway, so I'm not sure wtf that's supposed to mean.<BR><BR>--<BR><BR>Re: 1680x1050.<BR><BR>Nope. Bastards. Oh well, at least over DVI the 1920x1080 setting works pretty damn well. (Better than VGA, oddly, must be a quirk of the monitor) It's obviously downscaled, but, uh ... free antialiasing! Or something. Not the right aspect ratio, though. How come there are no 16x10 aspect ratios on the 360?<BR><BR>They really need just 3 resolutions to add:<BR><BR>1280x800 (This would go great with those 2560x1600 monitors that only do even upscaling)<BR>1680x1050 (For pretty much every 20ish inch LCD)<BR>1920x1200 (For the 24"+ models)<BR><BR>How f'n hard could that be?
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by XaiaX:<BR>Nope. Bastards. Oh well, at least over DVI the 1920x1080 setting works pretty damn well. (Better than VGA, oddly, must be a quirk of the monitor) It's obviously downscaled, but, uh ... free antialiasing! Or something. Not the right aspect ratio, though. How come there are no 16x10 aspect ratios on the 360? </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>When I set the 360 to 1920x1080 on my (native rez 1680x1050) 20" screen, everything is really washed out and lacks contrast. Even messing with the gamma didn't fix it. I have to run at 1360x.<BR><BR>How are you doing DVI? I'm hooked through VGA. (You have HDMI -> DVI?)
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lestat:<BR>Not quite, what it does is access what WMP11 has available on your computer. I'm not really versed in the protocols and stuff, but basically WMP11 handles a specialized form of sharing that doesn't require you to share a folder or drive as you normally would, but instead allow certain devices access to your content, through a setup-procedure built into WMP11.<BR> </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>The networking technology built into Windows and 3rd party apps for different operating systems is called UPnP, or Universal Plug and Play, which is an extension of auto-configuring protocols to the IP protocol stack. For sharing audio and video, the subset of UPnP used is called UPnP-AV, or DLNA. Apple has a similar Zero-config networking technology in Mac OS X called Bonjour (older name was Rendezvous).
 

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<br>You're wrong. -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif --<br><br>Fire up WMP11, bring up the Options menu, pick the Library tab, click Monitor Folders..., then just add whatever network folder that you wanted to be part of the WMP11 library. I just give the UNC path (\\server\share) to the shared folder on my Linux system that houses my music library. Just make sure that filesystem and share permissions are set correctly. </div>
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<br>That's what I have setup so my music on my server shows up on my workstation, but when I connect my 360 to my workstation, it just shows my local video-paths, which btw aren't even added to the WMP11 library. It doesn't show any of the remote stuff.<br><br>Is anyone able to get stuff a step removed from the host-PC onto the Xbox? If so I'd be interested in how that works!<br><br>L.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robert McAuslan:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KwamiMatrix:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by insecto:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Change the extension of your .avi files to .mov and they'll stream beautifully. That is all! </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This works - thanks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>To go off of this, some a/v files might have issues, due to the architectural differences between AVI and MOV.<BR><BR>To be sure everything always works, 3ivX has a Mac OS X utility called DivX Doctor that moves the audio and video streams in an AVI file into a MOV file.<BR><BR>I'm not sure if it is still available on their website, though.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>How this seems to work is it tricks Connect360 into believing it's a valid file - the 360 decodes whatever it's given from what I can tell. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Going off of this...<BR><BR>I just installed the Fall update on my 360 Elite. Unfortunately, I am still unable to play Xvid files living in a MOV (.mov) Quicktime container. Did you do anything special? I have only tested with Tversity on Windows thus far. I have yet to try Connect360 or EyeConnect on Mac OS X.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KwamiMatrix:<BR>I just installed the Fall update on my 360 Elite. Unfortunately, I am still unable to play Xvid files living in a MOV (.mov) Quicktime container. Did you do anything special? I have only tested with Tversity on Windows thus far. I have yet to try Connect360 or EyeConnect on Mac OS X. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>See my post at the top of this page - no mixing and matching codecs/containers, unfortunately.
 
All that other stuff and no 5.1ch AAC? Dammit. The last missing piece for media playback on it, IMO. As nice as .mkv would be, I see it as a very long shot to be supported. So without that the options for streaming files with 5.1ch audio are all somewhat limited. H264 in AVI has its issues so I don't want to do AVI + AC3, the MS encoder for WVC1 is considerably slower for me than x264 and I don't like the results as much anyway, and AC3 in MP4 isn't supported (not supported by the format, to be clear, not just unsupported by MS). AAC in MP4 is, of course, a valid format, and as a side bonus it's a more efficient codec than AC3 so it spares up a bit more bitrate for the video, but the 360 only does 2ch AAC.<br><br>When I record HD stuff I usually make a high-bitrate archival copy at around 7Mb/s AVC with the original AC3 track that I put in a mkv file and burn to a DVD (at !2GB per ~40min episode my HD was filling up too quickly) as well as a ~2Mb/s AVC + ProLogic II downmix AAC MP4 file that goes in my shared folder for my 360 for casual watching. It isn't really a big deal to have to ProLogic that stuff - these are generally TV shows, not movies, and usually surround isn't a huge part of the atmosphere, and ProLogic II works acceptably for that. But still. -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif -- The biggest bonus of 6ch AAC support would be that I use AVC + AAC in MP4 as my archival format and have those playable straight off the DVDs on the 360.<br><br>Wait, is playback of video files off of DVD supported? I know USB is, but no NTFS drives me crazy, and the list posted earlier in the thread doesn't list DVD... I haven't actually tested this myself, now that I think about it.<br><br>I'm just surprised how much other stuff they added without surround support for MP4. I previously wondered if they might be "protecting" WMV or somesuch by only allowing surround sound in WMV files, but AC3 in AVI support blows that theory out of the water. But I've pretty much moved from AVI to MP4 at this point, so I'd like surround support for it as well.
 
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<br><br>Yeah, that's what I do. I find it works just fine for TV shows.<br><br>I don't so much have a big gripe with MS for leaving it out as much as I was just quite surprised that all the people expecting all sorts of big changes (.avi support, Xvid/divx support, etc) ended up being right but the one little thing that I wanted didn't manage to get included. -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif --
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bolero:<BR>Is anyone else having issues with Connect360 and the Fall Update. Before this morning, I never had any problem browsing the files shared through Connect360. Today, it doesn't see anything. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I had no problems, but I turned the 360 off after updating and didn't try to access my shared files until I turned it on again after work. (I correctly guessed that XBL would be slow in the evening and wanted to get the updated done quickly.)
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Coleman:<BR>Ok finallly got it working. It seems that the video codec part didn't download correctly for me. I re-did the download and it was all happiness.<BR><BR>I did notice that WMP11 still doesn't seem to like re-sharing stuff from a network share, or at least it doesn't for me. So I'm streaming from TVersity running on my server, which is fine with me.<BR><BR>Also, the trigger control isn't as nice as XBMC, but it's acceptable. I wish they would just give in and totally imitate XBMC in that regard. The bumper skip is nice though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Same for me, had to re-download the codec on the XBox (it even said it was already downloaded... whatever) - worked after that.<BR><BR>However, I was not able to get the trigger skip to work - it skipped, but when I tried to play the whole thing was bugged and I had to restart from the beginning. Maybe I was using the wrong button - what is the control scheme now?
 
I had a bit of choppiness when trying to stream an AVI with 2500kbps XviD and 320kbps DD-5.1 using WMP11 (file was encoded from DVD rip with Handbrake). Anyone else had that issue? I'm reasonably sure it wasn't on the server end (Q6600, 4gb of RAM, gigabit ethernet, locally stored media).<BR><BR>I'll be playing with fuppes tonight, so perhaps my Linux file server box will be able to do the streaming directly. I haven't had any success with ushare, although ushare 1.1 came out yesterday, so that might be worth a try. Twonky had some ugly issues with performance, unfortunately.<BR><BR>Oh, and the theory I've heard about the lack of AAC-5.1 is that it's all about the licensing costs. These are apparently _much_ higher than for stereo. Give me AAC-5.1 and MCX support for the non-WMV codecs, and I'll be a happy man.
 
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