I doubt prospective research interns are eager to volunteer either....The challenge in answering questions like these, Campbell thinks, is that scorpions are notoriously difficult to study. They are nocturnal, they often live in deserts, and they burrow underground.
I am totally going to write a song based around this bit of the article"Metal Enrichment" should have been the name of a Scorpions album.
reinforcing the weapon that is used the most
https://www.chewy.com/education/reptile-and-amphibian/scorpion/what-do-scorpions-eatDo scorpions eat cockroaches?
Yes. Many wild and captive scorpions will eat cockroaches, and some care guides list roaches as a good feeder insect option when they’re captive bred and properly gut-loaded.
I don't know, I can think of a few people offhand who would jump at the chance.I doubt prospective research interns are eager to volunteer either....
Emperor scorpions are pretty common pets* since they're relatively docile and look pretty badass. I wouldn't keep one, but I understand the draw.Sheesh, why do they need to be so heavily armed?
https://www.chewy.com/education/reptile-and-amphibian/scorpion/what-do-scorpions-eat
Ahhhh now it makes sense.
Also, TIL that people keep scorpions as pets. Ewwweurgh.
Pretty fascinating. I've long wondered why life didn't invent diamond for things like teeth & claws. Diamond is just carbon with sp3 bonding rather than the sp2 bonds in graphite. And the fact that sp3 carbon-carbon bonds are (thermodynamically) metastable at ordinary conditions shouldn't be an issue - IIRC, some seashells are built from metastable calcium compounds. You'd think in a few billion years of evolution, life would have stumbled on an enzyme system that could stitch carbon atoms together with sp3 bonds.
Maybe it has already happened but the De Beers corporation hunted it to extinction to protect the diamond trade.Pretty fascinating. I've long wondered why life didn't invent diamond for things like teeth & claws. Diamond is just carbon with sp3 bonding rather than the sp2 bonds in graphite. And the fact that sp3 carbon-carbon bonds are (thermodynamically) metastable at ordinary conditions shouldn't be an issue - IIRC, some seashells are built from metastable calcium compounds. You'd think in a few billion years of evolution, life would have stumbled on an enzyme system that could stitch carbon atoms together with sp3 bonds.
Incoming new Children of Time book from Adrian Tchaikovsky.While we've been distracted watching the great apes and the cephalopods, scorpions have entered the Zinc Age. Won't be long before they advance enough technologically to feel they can challenge us on the world stage.
I'm not much of a fan of humans, these days. Go team scorpion!While we've been distracted watching the great apes and the cephalopods, scorpions have entered the Zinc Age. Won't be long before they advance enough technologically to feel they can challenge us on the world stage.
Presumably mostly from what they eat, just like humans get those same metals for use by our bodies. Either that or https://www.onlinemetals.com/.Do we know where the scorpions get their metals from?
Lol. Downvoted for reminding the engineering demographic how evolution really works?Fascinating article - thank you!
But one nitpick:
"Based on their data, detailed in a recent study published in the Journal of The Royal Society Interface, there was nothing accidental about it."
Given that it occurred because certain random changes reproduced more successfully then others, I would say it was by accident.
But I suppose maybe Gaia thought deeply about scorpions before intentionally making them this way, or something.
Or being neutral, you could just argue the particular arrangement of metals appears to have an evolutionary advantage, Gaia willing or not.
It's likely from a similar process as the harmful metal accumulations in species of fish that give us concerns about lead consumption. If the organism lacks a mechanism to excrete the metal it consumes in its diet, that metal will build up. That buildup might happen because not excreting your excess metals becomes an evolutionary advantage, or the buildup might happen because the environment changed too quickly for natural selection to keep up. (See: Fish with lead buildup from pollutants.)Presumably mostly from what they eat, just like humans get those same metals for use by our bodies. Either that or https://www.onlinemetals.com/.
I think your downvotes are more because your nitpick is kind of missing the point. I would hazard to guess that there's a general understanding among the people reading this article on Ars that when we say "not accidental" it's meant that it's not something that's just happened recently because of increased pollutants or some other fluke and rather that the metal accumulation in different parts of the scorpions' bodies is the result of evolutionary processes at work.Lol. Downvoted for reminding the engineering demographic how evolution really works?
I guess... have fun with your Intelligent Design y'all!out.
Just goes to show Computer Science != Actual Science.
The Scorpions have always been Heavy Metal(s).As if scorpions weren't metal enough...
Yeah, I've been wondering if they hatch with these metals or if they start picking them up as they begin hunting.It's likely from a similar process as the harmful metal accumulations in species of fish that give us concerns about lead consumption. If the organism lacks a mechanism to excrete the metal it consumes in its diet, that metal will build up. That buildup might happen because not excreting your excess metals becomes an evolutionary advantage, or the buildup might happen because the environment changed too quickly for natural selection to keep up. (See: Fish with lead buildup from pollutants.)
I'd be equally interested to see what the metal concentrations look like throughout the lifespan of the scorpions.
Or it could be that you are focusing on the random part and ignoring the evolutionary advantage part. That's when it stops being an accident and becomes an adaptation.Lol. Downvoted for reminding the engineering demographic how evolution really works?
I guess... have fun with your Intelligent Design y'all!out.
Just goes to show Computer Science != Actual Science.
I doubt this is a similar mechanism to heavy metal poisoning. None of the three metals are considered heavy metal. They are all widely used in "normal" biological processes, usually at the active sites of enzymatic processes.It's likely from a similar process as the harmful metal accumulations in species of fish that give us concerns about lead consumption. If the organism lacks a mechanism to excrete the metal it consumes in its diet, that metal will build up. That buildup might happen because not excreting your excess metals becomes an evolutionary advantage, or the buildup might happen because the environment changed too quickly for natural selection to keep up. (See: Fish with lead buildup from pollutants.)
I'd be equally interested to see what the metal concentrations look like throughout the lifespan of the scorpions.
Fascinating article - thank you!
But one nitpick:
"Based on their data, detailed in a recent study published in the Journal of The Royal Society Interface, there was nothing accidental about it."
Given that it occurred because certain random changes reproduced more successfully then others, I would say it was by accident.
But I suppose maybe Gaia thought deeply about scorpions before intentionally making them this way, or something.
Or being neutral, you could just argue the particular arrangement of metals appears to have an evolutionary advantage, Gaia willing or not.
I don't know, I can think of a few people offhand who would jump at the chance.
Emperor scorpions are pretty common pets* since they're relatively docile and look pretty badass. I wouldn't keep one, but I understand the draw.
*Edit: among people who would keep a scorpion as a pet, I should add.
Exactly--that's why I want to know more--because it's weird to me that something like zinc or iron would be kicking around in relatively large quantities without being actively metabolized in some way. I'm not in a position to do a whole lot of research about scorpions (being, thankfully for my delicate fleshy parts, not in active scorpion territory), but I'd be interested to see how this goes further.I doubt this is a similar mechanism to heavy metal poisoning. None of the three metals are considered heavy metal. They are all widely used in "normal" biological processes, usually at the active sites of enzymatic processes.
I would be very interested in the biological processes involved in the deposition of these metals, and get an idea of how this evolved.
Now I'm wondering how much iron, zinc, and manganese humans excrete. I know we recycle iron by breaking down blood cells but we can't be scavenging all of it or we wouldn't need to keep ingesting iron. I don't know what happens to zinc and manganese.Exactly--that's why I want to know more--because it's weird to me that something like zinc or iron would be kicking around in relatively large quantities without being actively metabolized in some way. I'm not in a position to do a whole lot of research about scorpions (being, thankfully for my delicate fleshy parts, not in active scorpion territory), but I'd be interested to see how this goes further.
(I'll admit: Heavy science nerditude runs deep in my veins. It comes with being a math/science teacher.)
There are several pathways to excrete excess metals, usually through the gut via several metal specific mechanisms. Most of these are fairly well (manganese) to extremely well (sodium) characterized.Now I'm wondering how much iron, zinc, and manganese humans excrete. I know we recycle iron by breaking down blood cells but we can't be scavenging all of it or we wouldn't need to keep ingesting iron. I don't know what happens to zinc and manganese.
Evolution does funny things with metabolic processes; I've read we're the only primate that doesn't break uric acid down and so that's why it can hang around and give us gout or kidney stones. I've also read that uric acid is an antioxidant, which makes me wonder if we stopped breaking it down because it reduces premature deaths from cancers stemming from cooking food. This is just speculation that I'm in no way qualified to engage in, but maybe there's something like that going on with scorpions. Some that were inefficient at excreting these elements ended up with deposits in their chitin that made it stronger...
We're also one of the few mammals that can't make our own vitamin C.Evolution does funny things with metabolic processes; I've read we're the only primate that doesn't break uric acid down and so that's why it can hang around and give us gout or kidney stones.
This is a good question.Do we know where the scorpions get their metals from?