Researchers force two mice to hang out and induce FOMO in a third
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But that's exactly what a brainwashing mad scientist would tell me before triggering a reassuring flood of dopamine!
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Hmm...light-emitting wireless devices can be used to exert worrying amounts of control using methods including but not limited to dopamine doses in the receiving brain. Interesting. Normally I'd be wondering if there were any real-world analogues we can apply this study to, but I'm craving matching three same-coloured blocks for some reason instead.
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Seems like FOMO is a 'grass is always greener' effect. Being an observer might be more preferable than certain social situations. It does create a desire for it, though.
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Forcing mice to hang out?
"Mickey, I made you a play date with that sweet mouse from next door."
"But he's weeeiiird. No one likes him!"
"Mickey, I made you a play date with that sweet mouse from next door."
"But he's weeeiiird. No one likes him!"
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Am I the only person who had to google what "FOMO" stood for?
FOMO is used only in the title, and the actual long form "Fear of missing out" is not used anywhere in the article. Am I supposed to just know FOMO?
FOMO is used only in the title, and the actual long form "Fear of missing out" is not used anywhere in the article. Am I supposed to just know FOMO?
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Formal FOMO definition for anyone that needs it (like me):
anxiety that an exciting or interesting event may currently be happening elsewhere, often aroused by posts seen on a social media website.
anxiety that an exciting or interesting event may currently be happening elsewhere, often aroused by posts seen on a social media website.
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Now *I'm* stressed because I'm seeing it for the first time, too, and I'm wondering on what else I'm missing out.
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Even mice suffer from FOMO? I guess they were jealous of you humans.
*makes note*
I still can't believe mice suffer from peer pressure. Ah, well. YOLO LIFO FIFA.
When I was young, mice controlled computers. Now, computers control mice. What a country!Diana Gitig":3pi3xb8x said:
Were you afraid you wouldn't get the full effect of the article without looking it up?
*makes note*
I still can't believe mice suffer from peer pressure. Ah, well. YOLO LIFO FIFA.
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We all ascended to be beings of pure energy a couple months ago and have been posting from our thoughtclouds out beyond Pluto's orbit. You didn't miss that one did you? The aliens already took the transfer devices home with them.
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I could go on a pages long rant about abbreviating every fucking phrase as if everyone knows what the hell it means.
You aren't the only one who googled it, but you ARE the first to tell us what it means. Thanks for that.
As for the ramifications of this technology, I'm not sure I like where it's going in today's politically polarized world. I don't think it's a practical approach to some autocrat's idea of mind control, but I also don't think that lack of practicality will stop SOMEONE from trying this out on unwitting, or unwilling, people at some point in the future.
As a staple of sci-fi dystopian fiction, someone had to first invent this kind of thing. It starts off small, and then imagination takes over and the next thing we know we have a Brave new World. /s?
Interesting research, but disturbing in what it might portend.
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All of the mice used were young male c57/bl6 (a common strain, regarded as being pretty smart and fairly aggressive). The paper doesn't specify - or I missed it - but I'm guessing these studies were done on groups of siblings. When you introduce two adult male c57's that don't know each other into a confined space, they generally fight - so we don't do that.
The fact that they were able to influence the social preferences of, in effect, a group of identical twin bothers that have been together since birth is extra impressive.
The fact that they were able to influence the social preferences of, in effect, a group of identical twin bothers that have been together since birth is extra impressive.
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Let me know when they can deliver a beer, un-shaken, to my hand, reliably, on demand.
Please.
Now, I finally understand Pinky and the Brain!
Please.
Now, I finally understand Pinky and the Brain!
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You raise an interesting point. Are these researchers (society's ultimate outside-looking-in observers) just inflicting these mice with the FOMO they feel? Ostracism loves company, even more than misery does.
I'm not saying these researchers are going to graduate right to implanting dopamine triggers in people as a way of making friends, but I'm not not saying that.
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This is not surprising. You have two animals that are enjoying themselves and one that is not. The animals that are enjoying themselves hang out together and ostracize the one that is not enjoying itself. Sounds like your average party.
The difference is this was done with "high tech" optogenetics and wireless communications.
I have observed the same thing at parties or gatherings (many years ago now) where the DJ would put on music that appealed to a subset of attendees. The people who liked the music would congregate together and dance and the ignore the ones who did not. We don't think of that as "mind control" because we are familiar with music. But its the same process, just a different delivery mechanism.
Another example, at parties those who are getting intoxicated (dopamine release in reward centers) hang together and tend to ignore those who aren't. And vice versa. I could get the same effect by giving one mouse disulfiram and then giving all of them beer. The mice that didn't have the disulfiram would be happily drunk together and ignore the one that was having the toxic reaction.
I get sick of social "scientists" who observe vanishingly small numbers of genetically identical mice in extremely artificial environments and presume to apply those to human society.
The difference is this was done with "high tech" optogenetics and wireless communications.
I have observed the same thing at parties or gatherings (many years ago now) where the DJ would put on music that appealed to a subset of attendees. The people who liked the music would congregate together and dance and the ignore the ones who did not. We don't think of that as "mind control" because we are familiar with music. But its the same process, just a different delivery mechanism.
Another example, at parties those who are getting intoxicated (dopamine release in reward centers) hang together and tend to ignore those who aren't. And vice versa. I could get the same effect by giving one mouse disulfiram and then giving all of them beer. The mice that didn't have the disulfiram would be happily drunk together and ignore the one that was having the toxic reaction.
I get sick of social "scientists" who observe vanishingly small numbers of genetically identical mice in extremely artificial environments and presume to apply those to human society.
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OK, I'll be the guy who goes there...
With a little more research, maybe Dr. Rogers will be able to apply his work to lower forms of life?
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Not sure why they did 2 mice with continuous 5Hz and another with 25Hz *bursts* instead of say, 5Hz continuous in one pair and 7Hz continuous in another, to see if they selected each other, if the point they where trying to test was “imposed interbrain synchrony shapes social interaction and social preference in mice.”
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I also don't understand how one mouse 'knew' what stimulus the other was receiving...
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It seems that you fear having missed out on this term.
(I didn’t want to miss out on telling you you missed out on FOMO)
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Now, proving that you can give a mouse social anxiety is definitely a scientific achievement but it pales in comparison to teaching a gorilla that it will die someday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=CJkWS4t4l0k
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No, it's confusion. Both as to what it stands for (having literally never come across the abbreviation before), as well as why normal editorial requirements to define non-standard abbreviations would be ignored in this case.
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Relax, we all understand your confusion. They're just trying to be funny
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I had no idea what FOMO was supposed to mean either, and nothing about the actual damn experiments made it any clearer. Is the author trying to say that they made the 'non-group' mice anxious? That's not in the abstract or the summary they actually gave in the article. FOMO has literally nothing to do with anything, it's just some word salad on top of the article for no reason.
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The question is, how did the mice know what frequency they were on? Same for the other one.
This brings new meaning to "what's the frequency, Kenneth?"
This brings new meaning to "what's the frequency, Kenneth?"
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ThatGuyFromEarth
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“Researchers force two mice to hang out and induce FOMO in a third”…
This is old news… I’ve been using FOMO to get squirrels to buy my NFTs for well over a year and as far back as 97’ I was using FOMO to pressure kangaroos to buy oceanfront real estate in Arizona.
I was a millionaire until a friggin’ raccoon used my own tactics to get me to put all my money into Beanie Babies.
This is old news… I’ve been using FOMO to get squirrels to buy my NFTs for well over a year and as far back as 97’ I was using FOMO to pressure kangaroos to buy oceanfront real estate in Arizona.
I was a millionaire until a friggin’ raccoon used my own tactics to get me to put all my money into Beanie Babies.
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For the three of us who aren't cool kids, FOMO means "fear of missing out, ...an anxious feeling you get when you feel other people might be having a good time without you."
Technical stuff is really hard.
Technical stuff is really hard.
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