Rebuilt Microsoft Teams app promises twice the speed and half the RAM usage
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It'll certainly be interesting to see if this also means it shits the bed less when it encounters network conditions it doesn't like, which is Teams real problem.
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To keep this metaphor going, Google Chat would be off-brand Crayons, as in, not even as good as Crayola with probably more lead than should be legal to consume. Right now we're enjoying the green flavor.
I guess the point is, for as much as people complain about teams, your corporate overlords could choose something worse for you, believe it or not. I miss IRC. More to the point, I miss an open standard where you can pick whichever client you prefer.
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Why ask about Java when Microsoft has their much better alternative right there? (That they couldn't be bothered to use for Teams.)
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Aside from Teams being a resource hog, the UX is just baffling for the simplest of things. Want to drop a file into a chat during a videoconference? Please switch from your Teams call window to the Teams window with the dedicated chat tab and drop your file there. 
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Microsoft's involvement in those frameworks is a lot as to why they are even as performant as they are though. Like, we can begrudge, admittedly, but their investment in those spaces has really helped those opensource projects. Sure, we may not like that Office is a React Native desktop app, but it's hard to deny that it works pretty well in that way.
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I see you still can't change the default for opening files to use the desktop application instead of on the web - it prompts you to open the Classic Teams instead.
Doesn't seem like its ready to be rolled out to everyone if it isn't feature complete.
Doesn't seem like its ready to be rolled out to everyone if it isn't feature complete.
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From the article:
Sadly, microsoft did not see fit to use a neutral framework that lives "of the land" like Tauri or Neutralino.
That way, the footprint of the Teams App would be reduced in each OS. More info:
https://blog.logrocket.com/why-use-electron-alternative/
Sadly, microsoft did not see fit to use a neutral framework that lives "of the land" like Tauri or Neutralino.
That way, the footprint of the Teams App would be reduced in each OS. More info:
https://blog.logrocket.com/why-use-electron-alternative/
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I have the same problem with the entire MS office suite. MSFT has managed to have both too many notifications and not enough. I get something like 200 emails a day and every one of them pops up a window that covers whatever I am working. Same for meeting chats in which I was invited along with 200 other people. But if it is a notification of something I have to respond to (like joining a meeting), those get buried somewhere. Sometimes outlook flashes the task bar, sometimes not. And if you are using the web version, nothing at all.
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I sugested the same, I guess there are many factors, the few I can tink off are:
More familiarity of MS developers with their internal tool. Less work to validate the correct renderiing in all OSs, and trying to demo/further advance their own framework.
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and Linux got the ol'FU again. Luckily, Teams works just fine in Edge for Linux, so no major loss. Chromium has issues doing video / desktop sharing. It used to work, but MS updated something and now I can't get the right codec to load / work. Firefox is gimped to hell though. No PSTN calling and no desktop sharing which does suck.
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No, saying “disk” here is technically correct.
Keep in mind that we’re also taking about having the ability to share pages between processes. Separate files won’t get deduplicated in memory, so they’ll end up backed by separate pages (thus increasing memory usage).
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I have no idea how they will fuck this app up and make it worse but rest assured I believe that Microsoft does.
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Glad for the update, now my potato of a work machine won't die when I have multiple applications open.
I wonder if MS also solved other issues that plague Teams, such as meetings that could have been an email?
I see you are planning a teams meeting with text inserted below the invite. Do you want to change this to a regular email instead? (Y)/N?
Hope springs eternal
I wonder if MS also solved other issues that plague Teams, such as meetings that could have been an email?
I see you are planning a teams meeting with text inserted below the invite. Do you want to change this to a regular email instead? (Y)/N?
Hope springs eternal
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OrangeCream
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There is definitely something to be said about writing to a common framework. The question (not asked) is if they write a purpose built cross platform framework or use a previously existing one. As in picking Electron wasn't a horrible first choice, but it definitely isn't a long term choice either. You would expect Microsoft to have the resources and skill to create a cross platform App Framework to underpin, for example, Teams, Office, Edge, etc.
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So the code base can be shared among desktop, mobile, and web platforms.
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In the 20 years time between Messenger (a consumer app) an Teams (a corporate App also repurposed for consumers) many things happened. Sarbanex-Oaxley hit, which means that the Corporate App has to do a lot of data integrity, audit logs & tamper-proof storage under the hood. Cryptographic protocols also got "strictier".
A bunch of features were added, like Hi-Res Audio and video conferencing. Multiple mettings/groups (instead of peer-to-peer), meeting planning and confirmation/RSVP.
Meanwhile, instead of writing a binary for each target platform, new ways to do Cross-platform emerged, like Electron, Tauri or Neutralino.
All those changes, both over and under the hood consume resources in your machine, and Dev resources to program...
m'enfin
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Neat. Maybe now that they've freed up some system resources they'll be able to use them to make a communication tool that doesn't actively hinder communication. Like, I dunno, keyboard text entry and markdown in chat that isn't a frustrating mountain of fail. Or the ability to not aggressively hide all the posts in a conversation. Or the hundreds of other problems users have been complaining about for years.
But who am I kidding, I'm sure the next step is to staple "AI" everywhere and make Teams even more adversarial to use. It's not like it has to be all that useful or competitive, just barely functional and sparkly enough to prevent companies from seeking alternatives.
But who am I kidding, I'm sure the next step is to staple "AI" everywhere and make Teams even more adversarial to use. It's not like it has to be all that useful or competitive, just barely functional and sparkly enough to prevent companies from seeking alternatives.
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My macbook air and mac mini with 250GB SSDs (with 100GB for bootcamp) would beg to differ. As would also the people using the Andoid and iOS versions of Teams
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Teams is a dumpster fire. The UI, the completely uninformative modes it gets into when authentication is in progress, failing, or broken, and the overall experience.
Twice as fast us still about 1/10th as fast as WebEx or Zoom fires up.
Twice as fast us still about 1/10th as fast as WebEx or Zoom fires up.
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We use Teams at the school I teach at for some reason the higher ups can never quite articulate. It is awful. Ungodly awful. Every day it's a new adventure. The school issued computers are underpowered and windows + Teams easily brings them to their knees to the point that kids just can't do work. It's embarrassing and disgraceful.
The platform has been missing huge features for years that are needed in the educational landscape. Only now after using the platform for 4 ish years is it getting true quality of life features for the education field.
It's a shit product that reeks of me too syndrome when compared to Chromebooks and Google's educational suite (even though I'm not much of a Google fan either they are clearly the defacto standard in the space).
Teams should be banished from usage in schools because of how bad it is and how much it hinders students. I'd hate technology if I had to use Teams as a student every day. It's that bad.
Maybe this update will only break a few things and make one currently broken thing 2% better. That's the usual Microsoft formula.
The platform has been missing huge features for years that are needed in the educational landscape. Only now after using the platform for 4 ish years is it getting true quality of life features for the education field.
It's a shit product that reeks of me too syndrome when compared to Chromebooks and Google's educational suite (even though I'm not much of a Google fan either they are clearly the defacto standard in the space).
Teams should be banished from usage in schools because of how bad it is and how much it hinders students. I'd hate technology if I had to use Teams as a student every day. It's that bad.
Maybe this update will only break a few things and make one currently broken thing 2% better. That's the usual Microsoft formula.
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Yeah, a couple coworkers noticed that today, the app now says “Microsoft Teams Classic.”
Is this Microsoft’s “New Coke” moment?
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FTFY: So the application can be terrible on desktop, mobile and web platforms.
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Well, I know who I'm bothering first thing in the morning. I have to restart Teams classic every day. I have to restart it after changing audio devices. I have to restart it after going to the bathroom. I have to restart it every time my PM says something dumb.
The update can't possibly be fucking worse.
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You jest but on my MacBook Pro M2 Max, Teams is currently using 1.7 GB of RAM. It's worth noting that new Teams hasn't yet rolled out for me yet and as a reference, another Electron monstrosity that is Slack is currently using 700 MB of RAM."Half" the RAM usage, so it'll only use like 80GB now?
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I've been using this for a while, and the performance really is better. However, the stability is awful.
In particular, it seems to not detect audio and video devices a lot. It crashes a lot. And the new sharing bar is extremely obnoxious.
Here's hoping they calm down a bit and stabilize it. When it actually works, it is better than the old version.
In particular, it seems to not detect audio and video devices a lot. It crashes a lot. And the new sharing bar is extremely obnoxious.
Here's hoping they calm down a bit and stabilize it. When it actually works, it is better than the old version.
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Does it allow you to change the volume of a meeting without changing the system volume?
Does it allow you to mute a meeting without muting the system volume?
Does it allow you to put a meeting on "hold" without being in another meeting meaning the only option is to leave the meeting?
Does it stop randomly deciding if your mic should be on depending on how many participants and doesn't give a default option?
Does it NOT turn your mic back on automatically (mobile) when you connect to bluetooth?
Those would all be nice things to fix...
Does it allow you to mute a meeting without muting the system volume?
Does it allow you to put a meeting on "hold" without being in another meeting meaning the only option is to leave the meeting?
Does it stop randomly deciding if your mic should be on depending on how many participants and doesn't give a default option?
Does it NOT turn your mic back on automatically (mobile) when you connect to bluetooth?
Those would all be nice things to fix...
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Have been using the "new" Teams for a few weeks. Seems just as "good" as the old one. Although I don't have big complaints.
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C'mon y'all. Microsoft Teams drives innovation and collaboration! I can say it even inspired me to package a little shell script into an app for quick access on my toolbar so I can MURDER IT.
Bash:
#!/bin/bash
kill -9 $(ps aux | grep '/Applications/Microsoft Teams.app/Contents/MacOS/Teams' | awk '{print $2}') &exit
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Maybe it's just me but I haven't found a business messaging or video platform today that isn't a hog on RAM or cpu resources out of the box. Slack still uses the same if not more resources and any audio video comms for me always has some stupid thing where it does want to select the correct audio devices randomly. Zoom, fine as a video platform meaning we would still need to use Slack or teams anyway.
Its even worse where we have r&D all using slack while the rest of the company uses teams exclusively. As a person who bridges both business and dev worlds, I get to have both at all times! Yay!
Any improvement is welcome.
Its even worse where we have r&D all using slack while the rest of the company uses teams exclusively. As a person who bridges both business and dev worlds, I get to have both at all times! Yay!
Any improvement is welcome.
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Teams works okay on my aging work laptop, but Zoom - holy cow - Zoom brings my machine to its knees every time!
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One thing that would really help me is to be able send an email to the group while on a conference. There doesn't seem to be any way to do that.Aside from Teams being a resource hog, the UX is just baffling for the simplest of things. Want to drop a file into a chat during a videoconference? Please switch from your Teams call window to the Teams window with the dedicated chat tab and drop your file there.
And if I am chatting with one person, the option to add a second person is disabled. Why is that? You can add people to any chat with more than one person.
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I just wish they'd get around to making the core chat functionality not suck complete ass, but that seems to be constantly pushed behind eNTerpRiSE features. Just another thing Covid ruined, when Teams suddenly had to become Microsoft's "(half-ass) everything app."
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I mean I appreciate all the features teams has with whatever our E5 license costs (ALOT) but I've enjoyed our underground slack chat far more. :/
Our slack is gonna probably be killed by ITSecurity eventually though.
Just weird issues with teams, posting images/videos/ect.
Our slack is gonna probably be killed by ITSecurity eventually though.
Just weird issues with teams, posting images/videos/ect.
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