Porn pros hope to squelch online piracy by 2012

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At a private retreat last week in Tucson, pornographers and lawyers discussed ways to get people paying for porn once more. Working together, they want to make "tube" sites and torrent operators go legit in just over a year.

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Seems like the porn industry thinks it is important; with literally millions of websites that are freely available, these just seems like the Gene Simmons of the genre: "We have money, but we want more. Let's make a big deal over it."

i was just about to type this but when i refreshed the page you beat me to it. The porn industry isn't as important as music or movies and i can't really see this doing anything but driving people away. there is sooooooooo much free porn online. And let's be honest, there really isn't even a reason to download most of it anymore.
 
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Public shame of alleged pirates is limited to older folks. I would suspect that folks under 30 find little or no shame related to watching porn. On the other hand, any professional that falls into this category would love to keep it off the radar and might even be subject to extortion, teachers as an example.
 
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They want to stop porn piracy and make more money? Hah. Good luck with that.

1) The advertising funded free porn industry is unstoppable now. Even if you removed copyrighted porn, there's still so much free porn (and more made all the time) that the ad-funded free sites will simply dominate no matter what. This RIAA and MPAA have it rough? At least there's not a vast amount of legitimately free material being distributed alongside theirs.

2) You can't stop piracy. It's impossible. There's been piracy as long as there's been goods for sale, and particularly nowadays with piracy not physically harming anyone or actually removing anyone's possessions... Good luck with that. Push it back underground? Perhaps. My money is on "No" though: People have a enormous appetite for porn, and they know that they can get it for free - and will continue to do so regardless of what the industry does.
 
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From the article:
(The porn industry's Free Speech Coalition has for some time pressured tube sites to adopt content-screening technology.)

I find it odd that a coalition that is goaled with screening (censoring) copyrighted information from being publicly uploaded is called the Free Speech Coalition. I'm not saying they shouldn't protect their copyrights, but it seems like they may be missing the irony on their choice of names. How, exactly, are they promoting free speech?

I understand entertainment costs to make it. Porn is no exception. However, with the slowly decreasing stigma of watching porn (it's acceptable for girls to watch it now too!), you are kind of going to face the problem of more free porn cropping up and more people turning to it. Hell, didn't most kids steal their dad's Playboys to look at or their porn VHS tapes? This just is the digital era's extension of that practice.
 
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Unclebugs":2oqmcc5o said:
Public shame of alleged pirates is limited to older folks. I would suspect that folks under 30 find little or no shame related to watching porn. On the other hand, any professional that falls into this category would love to keep it off the radar and might even be subject to extortion, teachers as an example.
Yah, I'm pretty sure for the younger folks, the shame would be to get caught pleasuring yourself to something that isn't porn.

I sympathize with them. Porn isn't a high margin business. It's a high volume business that attempts to cater to extremely niche groups. Porn is essentially all long-tail revenue these days. The thing is, they really need to go after sites that infringe on their content more than the individuals that consume it.

If I were in the market for midgets flagellating themselves with eels, I'm going to go where the content is. If the company (because there's not likely to be two) that makes that highly specialized content has succeeded in preventing infringing sites, then I can charge what the market will bear.

However, there's an obvious issue there. What do all those free porn sites also have a reputation of doing? Infecting your computer with spyware and viruses. So if those site providers obviously are already flaunting the law, what is a threat of a lawsuit going to do?
 
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even if the industry managed to lock things down, there will always be online communities that share professional material either for free or for a small yearly fee.
Just remember, it's not about killing all piracy as it is about making what they do profitable (or more profitable). I would imagine they won't care too much about said communities if they are making the money they expect.
 
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The thing is, they really need to go after sites that infringe on their content more than the individuals that consume it.

They can't. Even if the sites are in the copyright-happy USA, all they have to do is respond to DMCA notices and they're good.

Who pays for porn?
 
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There is a significant difference between regular movies/music and porn when it comes to pirated material. The difference is that there are thousands of people making porn and giving it away for free. Although there are a few exceptions, almost no one is producing feature movies or music albums and giving them away entirely free.

Even if no one pirated another commercial porn flick ever, they would still have no incentive to buy porn, due to the stuff they can get for free without pirating.
 
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Happysin":3awglm8o said:
The thing is, they really need to go after sites that infringe on their content more than the individuals that consume it.

They can't. Even if the sites are in the copyright-happy USA, all they have to do is respond to DMCA notices and they're good.

Who pays for porn?
Huh? If they are infringing, responding to a DMCA notice doesn't make them "good".
 
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Porn can only be so good, and when it's bad it just gets to be funny. The pron industry is going to have a run in with individuals making their own content. It can't get much worse than what the porn industry produces. It's not like they include explosions or computer generated barlogs. Maybe if a porn film included a bus carried by a chinook, it would be worth something.
 
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These people clearly haven't thought this through. Here's how this is going to play out.

Currently 99%+ of the internet is nothing but free porn. These folks want to reduce that.

They're going to sue those who illegally download and share.

The fear of being caught downloading Grandma's Doggie Bukkake 17, will prevent many people from downloading from sites where they could get caught...but not in significant numbers.

Meanwhile those who get sued will fall into these categories:
1) OMG I got this letter, and I'm going to pay to make this go away (whoo-hoo, the industry just made $100, if that after lawyer fees).
2) OMG, I'm being blackmailed. They're extorting me by threatening to have a public record of my porn activity. I know enough about the law to counter-sue.
3) OMG, my 9 year old son has been downloading porn. THIS is why porn needs to be made illegal!!!! The porn industry itself has made the case for us that they can't control who sees this evil material and we Christians are determined to stop them.
 
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AstralVoid":m8cysoc2 said:
Seems like the porn industry thinks it is important; with literally millions of websites that are freely available, these just seems like the Gene Simmons of the genre: "We have money, but we want more. Let's make a big deal over it."

They have money because they sell a product. If they can no longer sell the product because everyone can get it free of charge, then they won't have money for very long (no do their employees).

Most of the sites which provide free porn, don't produce it themselves, so it works-out pretty well for them... but not for the producers.

However, given the ubitiquity of porn, there's not that much that they can do about it, without going nuclear and trying to get porn sites banned legislatively (e.g.: think siding with more conservative law-makers who want to potential access to porn for the sake of "The Children).... though that'd remind me of line from the Matrix where the Architect says "there are levels of existance that we are willing to accept".

They'd probably be better-off changing their business model (if it's not too late) to provide the tube stuff themselves and make money on link affliates or expanded memberships for more potential downloads.
 
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@Happysin – Somewhere, there is an exhibitionist midget who regularly flagellates himself with eels; he’s got a cheap video camera, some video editing software and a website, so he puts his home movies out there for free.

@macslut – Grandma's Doggie Bukkake is Grandpa’s retirement hobby and the thrill of putting it on the web helps him get it up.

Free pron is everywhere, the industry is screwed.
 
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@Happysin – Somewhere, there is an exhibitionist midget who regularly flagellates himself with eels; he’s got a cheap video camera, some video editing software and a website, so he puts his home movies out there for free.

@macslut – Grandma's Doggie Bukkake is Grandpa’s retirement hobby and the thrill of putting it on the web helps him get it up.

Free pron is everywhere, the industry is screwed.
 
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I have to agree with most of the sentiments expressed here regarding the massive supply of amateur and indie porn devaluing the "professional" stuff.

What, the industry is actually surprised that people are no longer willing to pay to watch plastic, surgically modified coke addicts look bored for 90 minutes?

However, people are still watching it, they just aren't paying for it... so there is still an interest in the product. Even people producing amateur material charge for it (at least a whole lot of them do); they sell memberships to, at least, subsidize their sites. And, amateur porn is pirated too.

You have to separate the issues of value (i.e.: is it worth it), and, if I can get it free of charge, why pay for it? Of course that is still secondary to the actual abilty to stop porn piracy... they'd only be able test their test (that more people would pay if they couldn't get it free), if they had some way of actually stopping the piracy (and I seriously doubt that they could).

Although I would love to see a porn protest in Washington with porn stars picketing to lobby congress for more laws protecting their industry.
 
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skicow":1op7oruu said:
tbehr":1op7oruu said:
@Happysin – Somewhere, there is an exhibitionist midget who regularly flagellates himself with eels; he’s got a cheap video camera, some video editing software and a website, so he puts his home movies out there for free.

That would be Rule 34.
I was going to find that pic of the four humping the three...but then I realized what a terrible idea it would be to do an image search for "rule 34" at work.

So let's just pretend I posted it, and all move on with our lives.
 
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