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  • #641
    Mhorydyn said:
    DrWebster said:
    My BTO Mac Studio has just switched to "preparing to ship" :eek:

    Maybe I'll get it sooner rather than later?
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    I have a hold on my credit card, but it's still at 'Processing'. No hold for the display yet though.
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    I had to spend an hour on the phone with Apple on Saturday to get mine cleared. Apparently they get really confused if you activate an Apple Card account with a phone number that isn't associated with an iPhone. They just needed to SMS me a code, but that required a whole team of customer support reps to figure out.

    It still says May delivery, but at least it's no longer on hold.
     
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  • #646
    DrWebster said:
    Now my display is showing "preparing to ship" too. Mac Studio is still saying late March-early April delivery, so maybe "preparing to ship" for computers means it's in the BTO queue?
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    No, that typically means it's boxed, ready to have a tracking number assigned and loaded. Depending on what's happening with the lock down and if it affects Mac Studio's, you should probably get a tracking number in the next day or so.
     
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  • #647
    Many people don't yet quite understand what AS means in the high end because as earlier stated benchmarks aren't sufficient so here from Redshift:

    Because different scenes will have a major impact on the results. The major benefit behind the Mac M1 Max is the MASSIVE VRAM amount, and the lack of PCIE bandwidth slowing down very heavy scenes exports.
    This is why in the official forums we were doing tests with the Moana Island which is a very extreme Redshift benchmark.
    The smaller VRAM GPUs fall behind quickly and only the 3090 out shines the M1 Max on this scene because it has the 24gb of VRAM. Meanwhile faster GPUs like the 3080 lack too much VRAM to handle the scene and thus go out of core heavily which slows down the scene overall.
    For reference the Moana Island with 2x 1080ti takes 77min to finish, without tessellation enabled. The M1 Max took 28m:27s, same exact scene etc. The difference being the VRAM not causing a bottleneck on out of core resources.
    It will boil down to the type of work you do, but for such a small laptop it is very impressive and Apple will likely continue to improve the results.
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    This is an official Disney scene from the film Moana on a laptop. If you don't have any familiarity with this kind of work, it very much is a big deal.

    What Apple has done in the past and seem to be doing again is designing towards future applications which they can now afford to be doing again because they own the whole stack. Instead of above scene this could also allow for extremely high fidelity scenes to be navigated interactively, which aligns with a future AR/VR product. There is a whole range of (evolutionary) applications that aren't possible right now.
     
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    ps.

    For comparison:

    2x 2080ti = 34m:17s
    Single 3090 = 21m:45s
    2x 3090 = 12m:44s
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    So the 3090 isn't going 'out of core' @ 21m:45s. M1 Ultra 48 GPU should already outperform the 3090 with these large assets. YMMV obviously, these are very high-end workflows.

    If someone has some ideas of near-future applications for these amounts of throughput I'm interested to know because i need this machine.

    Ok I don't.

    But i'm open to 'needing this' .
     
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  • #651
    motionparallax said:
    Many people don't yet quite understand what AS means in the high end because as earlier stated benchmarks aren't sufficient so here from Redshift:

    For reference the Moana Island with 2x 1080ti takes 77min to finish, without tessellation enabled. The M1 Max took 28m:27s, same exact scene etc. The difference being the VRAM not causing a bottleneck on out of core resources. It will boil down to the type of work you do, but for such a small laptop it is very impressive and Apple will likely continue to improve the results.
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    This is an official Disney scene from the film Moana on a laptop. If you don't have any familiarity with this kind of work, it very much is a big deal.
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    Imagine a Beowulf cluster of Mac Studio Ultras!!!! :D
     
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  • #653
    Chris FOM said:
    I suspect some of both, but more that they're soaking professionals on the Ultra. A 48 GPU core Ultra is a $1200 jump over a 32 GPU Max, plus another $400 to go to the mandatory 64 GB of RAM. And really the better comparison for the 48 GPU Ultra is a 24 GPU Max, since it's two of those stuck together, and then it's an $1800 price jump (RAM included). When you consider that the entire computer costs $2000, then adding on another $1800 to exactly double the SoC definitely seems out of line. The Max is the upsell product, it's priced so that a home consumer can talk themselves into it as a nicer experience than a mini even if they'll never come close to using all that power. The Ultra is like the Mac Pro, if you don't know what you'll do with it you don't need it. It's priced for people who buy camera lenses and software packages that cost more than the machine and are going to write the entire thing off as a business expense anyway. Also it seems a little interesting that there's no 56 GPU core Ultra (pairing a 24 and a 32 GPU together). Wonder if that's for simplicity or if the fabric Apple's using to stick them together requires both chips to be identical.
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    Well the Genelec Ones studio monitors cost more than the Mac Studio Ultra and I am not even counting the UAD Apollo X rackmount audio interfaces in the mix. Just the software package is over 3K for the plugins. The Mac Studio line is a great line up and its gonna sell like hot cakes. I can just imagine the DIT carts that will be sporting one as well. In the professional market no one will blink an eye spending 6-8K for hardware when it comes to getting the job done.


    Another note, 800GB/s peak memory bandwidth shared amongst the CPUs and GPUs is incredible. PC desktops have been stuck at sub 100Gb/s total BW and having to cross the PCIe bus to send work to the dedicated video card. Now its all in one place. We are talking real supercomputer class bandwidth here with these Mac Studios.
     
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  • #655
    In case anyone hasn't explored other ordering options outside of Apple:

    I ordered my base config M1 Ultra Mac Studio through my LLC's business account on CDW (I set this up last a couple years ago). I placed my order yesterday with a ship date currently set for March 28th. Not bad compared to the current shipping times Apple is quoting for the same config right now.
     
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  • #656
    motionparallax said:
    Many people don't yet quite understand what AS means in the high end because as earlier stated benchmarks aren't sufficient so here from Redshift:
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    Any chance of a link to the original citation. (I looked but failed.) I trust you myself but would like to use this to make a point — and I’ll be taken to task by the deniers if I can’t point to the source.
     
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  • #660
    Hap said:
    DrWebster said:
    My BTO Mac Studio has just switched to "preparing to ship" :eek:

    Maybe I'll get it sooner rather than later?
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    Since I waited to order until Thursday (when I found out what my bonus was for the year), mine was initially showing Apr/May. With the Shenzhen lockdown, I expect I may have to wait longer.
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    I ordered a Studio (Max, 32GB, 32GPU) and Display from Apple NZ within a few hours of the show finishing - in fact as soon as Ars confirmed the 27" iMac that I had been expecting to buy was dead in the water. For the last week the order page has been showing delivery of the Display on 24/3, and the Studio on then 25th. The display moved to "preparing to ship" a couple of days ago, and a pending charge appeared on my card - which is usually a good sign. This morning I had an email from Apple saying that the shipment date for the Studio had changed - moving out 10 days to April 4-7. However, its status is now preparing to ship. And the pending charge for the Display has disappeared. Confusion reigns...

    I'm in NZ, and Apple stuff generally comes from (or via) Australia, so I wonder if these changes mean that shipments ex China are being affected by the covid lockdowns over there. Omicron waves in Aussie and NZ (our first widespread covid event) are playing havoc with courier services generally, so it would be no surprise if there weren't more delays to come. That said, my experience is that Apple's delivery estimates are very conservative, and stuff often arrives several days "early". I live in hope...

    Edited to add: Not long after posting the above, my Watch pinged with the news that the Display had shipped. When I checked the tracking, it had already left Australia, arrived in NZ, and had been forwarded to a local courier for delivery. Might even get it on launch day!
     
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    Bucolic Old Sir Henry said:
    Hap said:
    DrWebster said:
    My BTO Mac Studio has just switched to "preparing to ship" :eek:

    Maybe I'll get it sooner rather than later?
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    Since I waited to order until Thursday (when I found out what my bonus was for the year), mine was initially showing Apr/May. With the Shenzhen lockdown, I expect I may have to wait longer.
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    I ordered a Studio (Max, 32GB, 32GPU) and Display from Apple NZ within a few hours of the show finishing - in fact as soon as Ars confirmed the 27" iMac that I had been expecting to buy was dead in the water. For the last week the order page has been showing delivery of the Display on 24/3, and the Studio on then 25th. The display moved to "preparing to ship" a couple of days ago, and a pending charge appeared on my card - which is usually a good sign. This morning I had an email from Apple saying that the shipment date for the Studio had changed - moving out 10 days to April 4-7. However, its status is now preparing to ship. And the pending charge for the Display has disappeared. Confusion reigns...

    I'm in NZ, and Apple stuff generally comes from (or via) Australia, so I wonder if these changes mean that shipments ex China are being affected by the covid lockdowns over there. Omicron waves in Aussie and NZ (our first widespread covid event) are playing havoc with courier services generally, so it would be no surprise if there weren't more delays to come. That said, my experience is that Apple's delivery estimates are very conservative, and stuff often arrives several days "early". I live in hope...

    Edited to add: Not long after posting the above, my Watch pinged with the news that the Display had shipped. When I checked the tracking, it had already left Australia, arrived in NZ, and had been forwarded to a local courier for delivery. Might even get it on launch day!
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    Both my Studio and display are still on Preparing to Ship status. The display still says delivery by 3/18, and the Studio is also still 3-30 through 4/4. I would have expected at least a shipping notice for the monitor overnight, because I went with the free standard shipping which would probably mean something like FedEx/UPS 2nd Day. Maybe Apple has distribution close enough to me that they can get at least the monitor delivered next day? I'm losing hope for getting my Mac Studio early though.

    EDIT: The monitor just shipped.
     
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  • #668
    Bucolic Old Sir Henry said:
    Bucolic Old Sir Henry said:
    The Display has just arrived, and overnight the Studio shipped ex Shenzhen. Should be here next week!
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    Well, it might do, if the tracking ever shows it moving from Shenzhen. Perhaps this is where the covid lockdowns bite...?
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    It seems it is. Tracking has been stuck on pick up from Shenzhen for the last three days, and the Apple order page which has been promising "arrives soon" now has a delivery estimate of April 4.

    The DHL covid status page provides the reason: for Shenzhen - Pickup and Deliver services have been temporarily suspended until further notice.

    https://www.simplydhl.com/covid-19updates

    Sigh.
     
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  • #669
    Received my (second) LG UltraFine 5K today, which I bought for 60% of the price of an ASD (it was barely used—built in 12/2021 and the original owner bought last month), and I'm enjoying the identical picture and the new, shiny plug-'n'-play experience. :D

    (In all seriousness, I also did see an ASD hooked to a base Mac Studio in the Apple Store yesterday, and within the constraints of the fairly bright environment the picture did look the same as the LG, as the specs would suggest.)
     
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  • #670
    My Mac Studio has escaped Shenzhen, and arrived in NZ. It will almost certainly be delivered in the next 24-48 hours...

    ...shortly after I have left on a 5 day family trip.

    Sigh.

    Meanwhile, I've set up the Studio Display, and I'm very pleased with the improvement over my old 21.5" 2017 iMac. All that screen space. Will do final tweaking when the Mac arrives, but working in Lightroom is transformed.

    The speakers are very good indeed - better than the Logitech "THX" speakers with sub woofer that I had been using. Not so much low bass obviously, but much better articulation in the lower midrange, and cleaner highs. I had been thinking I might upgrade to a pair of Homepod Minis, but at the moment I'm not sure I need to bother...
     
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  • #673
    Yeah, I keep checking mine out of some delusional hope that it's going to change from "May" to "Tomorrow".

    I'm going to try pairing it with a 32-inch 4K Dell UltraSharp and see how that works. That is also on backorder until the end of April. It's a race between Dell and Apple and I'm getting this sad image in my head of using my new Studio with my old 23-inch Cinema Display.
     
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  • #675
    SunRaven01 said:
    My card was charged overnight, but the website remains in "processing."

    It's some movement, I guess.
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    Can't speak to how this works anywhere other than the UK, but my M1 Max MBP showed as sitting in China on the tracking info right up until I got the notification that I was being charged, and then it turned up about a day later.
     
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  • #676
    With the Studio Display, the card charged overnight and by the time I woke up the next morning it had changed to preparing to ship. I can tell you after the shenanigans that a UPS driver tried to pull with the Display, I will be camping in my front yard on the day the Studio is scheduled for delivery, and there will be none of that bullshit this time around.
     
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  • #677
    I had an authorization on my card for the Studio right away but it fell off after a week or so. It gave me foolish hope that maybe it'd deliver early, but no such luck. The display is supposed to delivery by the end of the week, but with it still at processing I think I'm out of luck there too. Oh well, the old 2013 beasty can keep on going for a while longer.
     
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  • #679
    mdporter said:
    I went down to the local Store to look at the new display and mac studio. All very nice.

    Please, pretty please Apple... can we have both in Space Gray?
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    Not making the M1 Ultra version of the Studio Space Gray, following the practice set by the 27" iMac and iMac Pro, seems like a missed opportunity.

    Of course it would need to wait for the maybe-rumored-maybe-not ProMotion/MiniLED Studio Display, which would need to be Space Gray as well.
     
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  • #680
    M1 Ultra Mac Studio (bumped to 64-core GPU and 2 TB SSD), original estimated delivery date Mar 30 - Apr 6, just shipped out today for March 31 delivery. As of yesterday it was still "Processing," so it pretty much skipped the "Preparing to Ship" stage. However, it's shipping directly from Shenzhen and the UPS tracking page ominously already says "Package is delayed in transit. Delivery will be rescheduled."
     
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