On Trump’s chopping block: EVs, charger funding, California’s emissions

Trump's attack on clean vehicles to be bigger than thought, says report.

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[Xyler]

Here is what many might not understand. The Department of Defense can issue a directive that all government owned vehicles on military bases must be EVs by 2025 but without the infrastructure to charge those vehicles on those bases, that directive is impossible to achieve.

I would love to get a EV to drive to work, but I don't have the ability, to charge my vehicle at work. I live far enough from work that a single charge would exceed the range of any EV I could afford today.

What the hell are your fuel costs like then?

The longest range EVs are between 400 and 500 miles. That means one way you'd have to be driving in excess of 200+ miles. That's 3 to 4 hours of driving ONE WAY to work. But you did say "That I could afford", so that means you're driving in excess of 230+ miles every day. At that driving habit, you're refueling every 2 or 3 days. You likely spend more money in 1 week refueling than I do charging my EV for a year... holy crap.

You're unable to afford things because of your fuel consumption. And you don't think that's a core issue? Ironically, you'd probably be saving more money if you bought a long range EV, simply from fuel costs alone. My dad who works for a dealership, one of his customers swapped from an F-150 Gas to an F-150 Lightning, and he said that the savings in recharging outweigh the rise in payments from financing the vehicle.

 

[Selethorme]

Good job proving my point

Not really. You being utterly ignorant isn't an argument. Tesla's valuation is more than the entire rest of the automotive industry, despite exactly no justification for it. They don't lead in autonomous driving, Daimler does. They don't lead in EV tech, Lucid does. They lead in EV sales, as sales growth slows, and they lose market share. You're in a cult.

Oh look they are already working...

Oh that's funny that you think either of those links support your argument. Especially given the vast majority of undocumented immigration doesn't come from border crossings, and the plan had already been announced, as your link notes:

Ottawa had previously promised to deploy more officers and technology targeting southbound border-crossers, though Canadian law enforcement officials acknowledge they are limited in what they can do to stop southbound migrants.

As for China? Your link actively disproves you:

Beijing is moving to beat the next U.S. president to the punch with its own restrictions and get Washington to the negotiating table ahead of a full-blown trade war

They're attempting to out bully Trump, to the detriment of us all.

It's such a simpleton view to think that Trump is just going to roughshod over the economy in pursuit of tariffs.

Other than the fact that Trump is a simpleton, and has said he'd do exactly that, as has already been quoted to you.

The threat has to be real though.. which is what he's saying.. "we're going to do this even if it causes us a little pain." Because saying "we're going to do this unless it causes us pain" ISN'T A THREAT AND DOESN'T ILLICIT A RESPONSE.

A little pain? https://www.cityam.com/us-likely-to-fall-into-recession-under-trump-top-economist-warns/ A recession is not "a little pain" unless you're so well-off you're completely out of touch. Besides that the word is elicit, that's not how tariffs work. Get it through your thick skull.

 

[DaveJ85]

It sure is good that the Pentagon is interested in electricity purely for wokist virtue signalling; not because hostile logistical environments make conventional options crushingly expensive and potentially unreliable.

Is the nuclear navy still safe; or should we be running the numbers on how support ships will be required to keep a Nimitz class rolling coal after conversion to traditional values and steam engines?

In addition to the logistical cost of fossil fuels, they tie operations to fuel depots, they are toxic, explosive, and flammable. What's not to like?

 

[numerobis]

Especially given the vast majority of undocumented immigration doesn't come from border crossings, and the plan had already been announced, as your link notes:

Canada is in fact planning to increase border patrols because of Trump. Last time he came in, asylum seekers poured over the border coming out of the US, fleeing his policies and causing a humanitarian issue. It was short of a humanitarian disaster thanks to those efforts, but a few people did die because we didn't spot them in time and they froze to death.

 

[RickRoyLeonPrisZhoraRacha]

Dear US voters.

When you vote a clown into the White House, he does not become President. Instead, the White House becomes a Circus.

Too many ring leaders and not enough popcorn and peanuts. But man, the mess those elephants make...

 

[DaveJ85]

Literally nothing you have said is true in the slightest.

Today's EVs have limits, but the military is looking toward the future -- Although it's a goofy name the entire Army Futures Command is focused on developing new technologies and refining and improving current ones.

 

[Xyler]

they could be WORKING because Election Day is not a holiday

While this is true, it is illegal for an employer to deny you time to go vote. By law, they must allow you to go vote. It's like this in Canada and the US. Failing to give you time to vote can incur heavy penalties.

However, maybe election day should be considered a once in 4 year "holiday", where nobody but health care workers work (Because a heart attack doesn't care what day it is today), and even they get the chance to vote.

 

[The Dark]

While this is true, it is illegal for an employer to deny you time to go vote. By law, they must allow you to go vote. It's like this in Canada and the US. Failing to give you time to vote can incur heavy penalties.

However, maybe election day should be considered a once in 4 year "holiday", where nobody but health care workers work (Because a heart attack doesn't care what day it is today), and even they get the chance to vote.

That's false with regards to the United States. There is no Federal law in the United States requiring companies to allow workers time off to vote, and it varies by state. Only twenty-eight states (and the District of Columbia) have laws requiring employers to give time off for voting. Some of those twenty-eight states only require employers to provide time off if they don't have adequate time to vote outside their working hours. Some of those states require the employees to actively assert their right to time off and request it in advance.

 

[LBJsPNS]

This is what people voted for.

This is what 22% of the American people voted for.

 

[cyberjudge]

Are they going to be handing out choke America hats?

 

[Unstablefan]

Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[Selethorme]

And doesn’t use it.

Not an argument. Also, objectively untrue, as GAO's average ROI over the past six years is $123 for every dollar spent on them. https://www.gao.gov/about#:~:text=For example, we identified about,years is $123 to $1.

“Seatbelts save lives, so why do we need airbags?”

Except you're saying this in defense of a "department" (that is really a commission) that actually has no power. Congress decides spending. Not the President. See the Impoundment Control Act of 1974.

 

[antibolo]

Literal Captain Planet villain bullshit.

 

[Psychophant]

It's still almost impossible to believe that this man is going to be President of the USA and nobody can (legally and also without inciting riots / an actual civil war) stop it.

And everyone in the rest of the world just has to... let it happen?

Yes, they have to let it happen, because we still operate nominally on the concept of national sovereignty. There are plenty of people working to implement global governance, but that still a ways off thank God.

 

[Snark218]

Shhhh.
You are not supposed to explain basic economics to a MAGA/GOP voter

Like waking a sleepwalker it should only be done if absolutely necessary or you could trigger a stress response with unintended consequences.

Just talk to a wall instead; it'll get the same amount accomplished, and the wall will actually wait for you to finish talking.

 

[ColdWetDog]

Don't be silly.

https://www.worldatlas.com/industries/the-world-s-largest-oil-reserves-by-country.html
https://www.opec.org/opec_web/en/data_graphs/330.htm

Yes, but those reserves are really stranded at this point unless Venezuela actually gets its act together and climbs out of the mud pit they have got stranded in. It is also very high sulfur and vanadium so few refineries can handle it.

It wasn't a terribly sensible idea in the first place, just something that Trump might try because it isn't a terribly sensible idea.

 

[Uragan]

While this is true, it is illegal for an employer to deny you time to go vote. By law, they must allow you to go vote. It's like this in Canada and the US. Failing to give you time to vote can incur heavy penalties.

However, maybe election day should be considered a once in 4 year "holiday", where nobody but health care workers work (Because a heart attack doesn't care what day it is today), and even they get the chance to vote.

Make it a mandatory federal holiday like in Australia and give people their official “I voted” sausage when they’re done.

 

[udenjoe]

The Trump admin will guarantee more dead.

 

[EnPeaSea]

The Forbes list is a member’s only game you will notice Putin MBS Hassanai Bolkiah and even Kim Jong Un are not listed despite all having significantly more actual personal wealth than Musk

Hell. what about King Charlie ?

​

OK, sure, it's Amero-centric. Since all of them have even more welth than even Musk, that even more extends my observation: how is Soros the big-bad deep-state boogeyman?

I think you are being very generous by calling them “people”.

Careful, that's the same kind of dehumanization they engage in to justify their cause. No, they are people, capable of atrocites that make demons blush.

 

[numerobis]

A battery fire is nearly impossible to put out. As for all the other examples you stated, those typically start and end with explosions and aren't really comparable. There are also degrees of severity with fuel fires while battery fires tend to cascade out of control very quickly. Bottom line, no fire is good in a rolling artillery container, but in the example shown it looked like the crew thought it was manageable.

I'm sure that the US military's designers of combat vehicles, which currently right now hold large volumes of flammable fuel, propellant charges, high explosive rounds, missiles, ERA, grenades, and small arms ammunition, are going to be completely unable to cope with a fucking battery.

You people really think everyone is exactly as incompetent as you are, don't you?

(Edit: subject-verb accord, because I recognize the limits of my competence.)

 

[The Dark]

OK, sure, it's Amero-centric. Since all of them have even more welth than even Musk, that even more extends my observation: how is Soros the big-bad deep-state boogeyman?

Can't speak to the others, but King Charles isn't on the list because he's (probably) not personally a billionaire. The Sunday Times Rich List, which focuses on the 1,000 wealthiest UK residents, had him at #258 on the list with ~$772 million of personal assets, $580 million of which was the value of Sandringham and Balmoral. A lot of "his" assets are Crown property that he benefits from but doesn't own. The Guardian did have a much higher estimate, but they also took a pretty expansive view of his assets, such as multiplying the value of the jewelry he inherited from Elizabeth 10 times over as an estimate of what it could garner if auctioned. It's reasonable if calculating what he could get if he liquidated assets, but it's not how personal wealth is typically accounted for.

 

[RZetopan]

I do find it disquieting just how broadly held the belief is that diesel and petrol does not burn, and the batteries that all people carry around in their pockets all the time regularly and spontaneously ignite with unquenchable flames like a mini-Chernobyl.

Spontaneous human explosions must be real, I actually saw a documentary on it years ago. It was called "Repo Man".

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOXvDGRvX70


/S

 

[EnPeaSea]

Can't speak to the others, but King Charles isn't on the list because he's (probably) not personally a billionaire. The Sunday Times Rich List, which focuses on the 1,000 wealthiest UK residents, had him at #258 on the list with ~$772 million of personal assets, $580 million of which was the value of Sandringham and Balmoral. A lot of "his" assets are Crown property that he benefits from but doesn't own. The Guardian did have a much higher estimate, but they also took a pretty expansive view of his assets, such as multiplying the value of the jewelry he inherited from Elizabeth 10 times over as an estimate of what it could garner if auctioned. It's reasonable if calculating what he could get if he liquidated assets, but it's not how personal wealth is typically accounted for.

The question is still "How is Soros the big deep-state boogeyman, darkly guiding evil globalism with all of his wealth, while there are at least 164 people with more wealth, including lucky-genius great guy Musk, and a few not included in Forbes 400?"

 

[RZetopan]

What the hell are your fuel costs like then?

Unevidenced claims are not required to make sense, any excuse will do. Lacking supporting evidence also means that they can be dismissed without evidence.

 

[The Dark]

What the hell are your fuel costs like then?

Look, you just don't understand the hard-charging lifestyle of a long-distance emergency trombone repairman.

 

[tRexx]

I am sure the Tesla stockholders will be forever grateful. $250 million for this?

 

[numerobis]

I am sure the Tesla stockholders will be forever grateful. $250 million for this?

Musk has been advocating to cut EV subsidies for a while now. He seems to truly believe that it would help Tesla if its most popular cars were to increase in price by $7500 while most of the competition doesn't.

By "for a while" I mean even before his daughter disowned him and he fell head-first into MAGA whereas previously he'd only been dipping his toes in.

 

[OrvGull]

I do find it disquieting just how broadly held the belief is that diesel and petrol does not burn, and the batteries that all people carry around in their pockets all the time regularly and spontaneously ignite with unquenchable flames like a mini-Chernobyl.

To be fair, the difference is we know how to put out petroleum fires; they're hard to put out with water but can be put out with chemical foam. There's still no solution for lithium battery fires except waiting for them to burn out...then moving the car somewhere isolated in case it re-ignites.

I do think the danger is often overstated, but it's still not a trivial problem.

 

[OrvGull]

It's such a simpleton view to think that Trump is just going to roughshod over the economy in pursuit of tariffs. The threat has to be real though.. which is what he's saying.. "we're going to do this even if it causes us a little pain." Because saying "we're going to do this unless it causes us pain" ISN'T A THREAT AND DOESN'T ILLICIT A RESPONSE.

I think he will because he fundamentally doesn't understand how tariffs work. He thinks foreign producers pay them and they're basically free money for the US government. He sees them as an alternative to income taxation.

Lots of people have tried to tell him otherwise, but he's not someone who listens.

 

[OrvGull]

This is what 22% of the American people voted for.

The demographics of who turns out means that people who decided to stay home were effectively casting votes for Trump.

 

[stormspace9]

This is what 22% of the American people voted for.

What's your point? You didn't vote, yet you expect the election to have gone differently? Those polls were open to everyone that wanted to vote, if only 22% of people thought it worthwhile it's not a politicians fault.

 

[williamjacobs]

The military wants electric vehicles because they are silent, not because they make tree huggers feel good.
The obsession with "pwning the libs" is going to get our warriors killed.

Electric tanks are in development. The advantage in terms of element of surprise when an electric tank shows up is difficult to describe. I'd suggest China and Russia ramp up their underwear factories if Trump gets better advice and keeps that project on track.

 

[Strategos777]

much as some people like the idea of rolling backwards into the future, it's hard for auto manufacturers to meet a different set of standards everywhere, so they'll likely just keep meeting standards in the rest of the world and sell the same cars in the U.S.

Eventually electric cars from China will be so cheap that they'll squeeze out U.S. manufacturers no matter what they do. U.S. car sales abroad are falling. People in the U.S. aren't buying American cars because they can't afford them and most models are death machines for pedestrians, bicyclists, and children.

Something's gotta give.

Be the fist to sell cheap Electric cars made in America and watch your company destroy everyone else. The magic price point is $16,000. You GOTTA get the cost of a brand new EV down to that level and have codes that enforce electric charging spots in office complexes and apartment buildings, or swap stations that can just easily swap the battery with a charged one.

 

[OrvGull]

The military wants electric vehicles because they are silent, not because they make tree huggers feel good.
The obsession with "pwning the libs" is going to get our warriors killed.

I would imagine the lower infrared heat signature helps, too. An M1 Abrams glows like the sun in IR, thanks to that hot gas turbine exhaust.

 

[s73v3r]

Fair Enough, You don't believe him. time will tell.


Actually.. I can.

No, you fucking can't. It's a direct quote from Trump.

That's if I believe they will actually occur. No, Canada and Mexico will play by new rules and avoid them.

Or Trump will do it anyway, because he's a stupid piece of shit.

Worst case scenario we're in the same boat as we would have been with Kamala

WRONG.

On literally every topic, we would have been better with Harris.

, not counting all the other benefits he'll have on the economy.

Not a single fucking one. Tariffs don't benefit the economy.

But no, I actually think he is going to make things work out on inflation regardless of the level of deportations.

And you have literally nothing to base that off of.

You obviously don't believe in upholding existing law.

No Trump supporter ever gets to talk about upholding existing law. They voted to throw the law away.

Way to not respond

I did.

but do you actually think they will raise prices in response to lower taxes?

I think they won't lower prices. And I think they will choose to raise prices when they want to, regardless of the level of taxes.

Also, corporations raised prices as a response to the market forces of inflation.

No, it was greed. Because they raised prices far higher than they needed to.

You see, when everyone had more money to spend due to pandemic money printing

Nope, that's not what caused pandemic inflation. People not starving to death didn't cause inflation. Corporate greed did.

You are emblematic of why Trump supporters are the worst fucking people out there. You have literally no evidence to base anything you say off of, but you claim Trump will do such great things, DESPITE HE HIMSELF SAYING THE EXACT FUCKING OPPOSITE. All you do is gaslight everyone else.

 

[Madestjohn]

OK, sure, it's Amero-centric. Since all of them have even more welth than even Musk, that even more extends my observation: how is Soros the big-bad deep-state boogeyman?

Officially it’s American list is ‘Forbes 400 list of America’s wealthiest people today’

It’s current 2024 World's Billionaires List

‘The Richest People In The World’​

‘Real time rankings number 1 spot is Bernard Arnault ( LVMH empire of 75 fashion and cosmetics brands, including Louis Vuitton and Sephora.) with Musk at number 2
its all based primarily on stock evaluations (SEC filings and declared assets) while most present their information to Forbes as getting on the list is a status symbol (why Trump lied and inflated his wealth for years to try to be listed - while deflating it to IRS) they do do some significant investigation of their own. But again this is all set towards an investor evaluations mindset
Many who do not have significant parts of their wealth tied to the American stock market are not listed.

Forbes declined to list Saudi Princes on list a few years ago - smartly anticipating MBS throwing heaps of the in jail until they signed over their assets
and both lists are prone to significant drop offs year to year
24 completely off America wealthiest 400 in 2023, (SBK and Trump for example and while they both still have significant personal wealth despite being convicted of finacial fraud many of the others are now bankrupt)
and in 2024 189 people fell below the $1 billion threshold, losing their spot on Forbes worlds billionaire list


As far as Soros … the answer is obvious. .. he has a history investing in liberal progressive causes and his ethnicity
primarily the later

 

[s73v3r]

Saw a comment over on Political Wire yesterday, the commentor knows someone who owns several chicken processing plants. The guy knows he has a lot of illegal immigrants in the plants and that them being deported would bankrupt him, but he voted for Trump because Trump said he'd deport all the illegal immigrants. How did he justify this knowing that Trump doing so would bankrupt him personally? Oh, he was certain Trump wouldn't actually do it, so it'd be okay.

So he voted for Trump because Trump said he'd do something, but he expects him to not do that something, because that something would bankrupt him personally.

If Trump does do a bunch of deportations, I hope he hits that guy's plants and ruins him.

I really fucking hope that guy goes bankrupt. Because I am so fucking sick and tired of asshole Trump supporters not even listening to what the fucker says.

 

[IntrepidFileExplorer]

What really scares me is the idea that Tesla's self-driving features might proceed to kill even more people with less visibility. They are already playing fast and loose with the safety of Americans, in my opinion, and if regulatory agencies stop policing them, then we fall back on the media (provided their broadcast licenses don't get revoked) and sustained public outrage.

I do not trust Tesla.