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Scotttheking

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For those who remember almost 4 years ago when I posted about buying a house, our plan was to renovate the kitchen immediately. Then we found out how much it cost. We are now ready to have another go at it.

What must have or nice to have items have you found to recommend?

The scope will be (at a minimum) fully gutting the following:
1 kitchen
1 half bath (main floor)
2 full baths (bedroom floor)

Thanks!

Scott
 
A personal chef would be nice to have :p

Not sure what you're looking for, but some nice to haves for me would be (in no order of importance)
  • Soft close drawers
  • Pull out shelves
  • A nice, powerful dishwasher
  • A nice large surface to work dough (quartz if you want easy maintenance)
  • Pot filler
  • Nice size pantry
  • A farmhouse sink with a ledge for cutting boards - good for working right over the garbage disposal
  • Windows for natural light
  • Lots of lighting
 

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1) If you live in a colder climate, think about getting a heated floor for any full bathroom.
2) Dishwasher should be right next to the sink and the cabinets that will store dishes and silverware should be right next to the dishwasher. Much easier when loading the dishwasher with dirty dishes and then unloading the dishwasher of clean dishes into cabinets this way.
3) Smooth countertops. I've lived in places with either tiled countertops or textured countertops and I absolutely hated them because they never felt clean.
4) Undermount sink is a must. Easier to clean.
5) Really, really think hard about workflow in your kitchen. Will you have only 1 person at a time cooking or will you have 2 people cooking together a lot? Will your workspace be set up so that you can work independently or will you be tripping over each other? Also, will your fridge be next to the area where you do most of your food prep? Will your canned and box goods be right above that as well? What about spoons, spatulas, measuring cups, knives, etc?
6) I've lived in a few places with a kitchen island I'm very 'meh' on them unless the workflow of the kitchen is laid out nicely.
7) Kitchens tend to be a focal point of the house if you have a nice one. Think about putting in a bar type area with a few stools on the other side to fit 2-4 people.
8) Have a tall shower head. Shower heads that are 5 feet 2 inches from the bottom of the tub are horrendous. Get one that at least 6' high or if you can afford it, get a rainfall shower head.
9) Get a deep tub if you are replacing it. With most tubs in modern houses, either your knees or boobs (for a girl) are out of the water. If you like relaxing in the tub, get a deep one so that the only thing that is out of the water is your head. Better yet, get one that fits 2 people like this. :D
10) When I was searching for ovens, I found that only 3 features mattered to me: self cleaning, window & light, auto off
11) Storing of spices seems to be a pain in the ass. Think about how to use some small spaces to have built in spice jar storage.
12) You may also think about having hidden garbage and recycling containers as well.
13) Glass front cabinets are horrible. My OCD is bad enough that I don't need to be concerned with organizing my kitchen cupboards as well.
14) Under cabinet lighting is a must. If you are working in the kitchen, there is likely to be a light in the center so your body will be blocking the light getting to your workspace. Under cabinet lighting fixes this.
15) Think about how you want to store your pots, pans, and knives. Many people like to hang them up so that they are easy to see or find. I personally like them hidden. But in my current house, I put them in a place that is kind of a pain to get them out because it was the only cabinet that was big enough to fit all of them.
16) You have these awkwardly big small appliances such as a pressure cooker, stand mixer, blender, etc. Where are these going to go and how to get to them easily.
17) Everyone has a junk drawer. Where will yours go?
18) Watch out for appliances blocking drawers. In my current house, my cooking utensil drawer is blocked by the fridge so that I can't open it the last 2 inches.
19) Hood vent over the stove should vent outside. Venting it back into the kitchen is worthless.
20) Get furniture grade plywood instead of particle board/MDF if you can afford it. It will last longer and be more resistant to any kind of moisture damage.
21) The area under the sink gets nasty because that is where a lot of cleaning supplies go. Try to either get a custom fit tray that goes there or get some kind of finish on it and about 1" up the sides that makes it easy to clean and last for years and years.
22) Lighting is key in both the bathroom and kitchen. My master bath has horrible lighting and it sucks.
23) Bathroom vents that are on timers are good to have. Quiet is good, but focus on ones that move the most CFM to properly vent a bathroom.
24) Towel holders for the bathtub and for the sink should go into studs and not be anchored into the drywall alone. I've seen many ripped out accidentally.

Is that enough for you?

EDIT: Added stuff for 10)
 

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*) Stay aware from cheap laminated fronts for counters, especially near heat/moisture/steam sources; especially steam will destroy it over time.
*) Glossy coating looks good until you start using it, then becomes a nightmare to clean
*) Get a gas or induction stovetop, radiant heat sucks, glass-ceramic top or not.
*) Do you have inquisitive pets like cats? If yes, consider the pet-safeness of your counter- and fridge doors: Yes, depending on the fridge door and the cat, it can learn to open it; no, you will not be amused.
 

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Monsieur Canard[/url]":2zpjhp7c]A really good kitchen sink is a must. After much debating I picked an extra-deep single Kohler model and never looked back.

Although not ideal from a bowel alignment perspective, chair-height pottys are a godsend for those of us who creak when getting up. And of course get the oval ones if'n you're a guy.
A deep sink plus a tall faucet, or one with a removable head (or both, really). The place I have has a pathetic sink and a pathetic faucet where you can't even fit a Brita pitcher between the two surfaces easily. >_<

As for the commode, consider getting a bar for help in getting up, and if you have a taller seat, then consider getting something like a Squatty Potty (they do ads on the morning radio station, which is the only reason I know it exists). Along with the funny name, their ads include a unicorn. :p
 

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Personally, I would go for quality on things over extra fancy features. And make sure you think about access for repairs and stuff. Having to cut out tile or break up solid stone to get to plumbing is not a nice thing.

If I were redoing a bathroom, I would go for that fancy Japanese toilet with the bidet and heated air features. And get a nice one, not a cheap version that will break soon.
 

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Dual vanity (I guess sometimes called Jack and Jill sinks) in the bathroom. Two sinks with multiple storage areas is a huge quality of life improvement. My wife and I lived together without a dual vanity for about seven years before we moved into our current house, which has one, and it's amazing how much easier it is to get ready for bed at night or get up in the morning. The utility of this is way more than its cost.

JasterMereel's list is great.

Soft close drawers and cabinets are really good.

A lot of our kitchen storage is also set up with pull-out shelving inside the lower cabinets, which has turned out to be really really helpful. It's nice not to have to root around in the back of the cabinet, where it's dark, to find the thing you're looking for, then try to pull it out without knocking other stuff over. You just pull the shelf tray out, pick up the pot or spice or whatever, then push it back in.

Countertops should be any color but black. Black looks great in pictures and even in samples, but smudges and fingerprints stand out starkly under any kind of light.
 

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I like the idea of tall faucets. Our tastes for kitchens is tall, good quality wood cabinets and farm style sinks. I also like the idea having two smaller drawer style dish washers instead of one large one (we have none currently).

A neighbor who redid their house had the pebble/river rock style floor in the bathroom leading into the shower (no lip, just a slight decline) and it was heated (not the shower part) with a timer you could set for 20 minutes before you get up in the morning.

Otherwise nothing cheap that off-gasses formaldehyde or other VOC's.
 

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10) When I was searching for ovens, I found that only 3 features mattered to me:
I'm guessing length, width, and height? And a "500" on the temperature knob?

Ha, I was looking for my notes but I got distracted and couldn't find it. The 3 features were self cleaning, window & light, and auto off. Other than that, it doesn't matter much to me. This helps me go in and search at all the different models that have all of these features that I don't care about and therefore the prices is jacked up as well.
 

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Paladin[/url]":f5op15an]Personally, I would go for quality on things over extra fancy features. And make sure you think about access for repairs and stuff. Having to cut out tile or break up solid stone to get to plumbing is not a nice thing.
I wonder if you could set up to have an access panel outside the house for dealing with standard repair issues.

As someone else mentioned: Storage. Storage, storage, storage. My house has one closet for 2 bedrooms, no closet for linens at all, and some cabinets around the sink. That's it. We've got a lot of shelving units all over just for the storage, and it's still not really enough, and it's fugly.
 
9) Get a deep tub if you are replacing it. With most tubs in modern houses, either your knees or boobs (for a girl) are out of the water. If you like relaxing in the tub, get a deep one so that the only thing that is out of the water is your head.
This.

A really nice bathtub; as deep as you can find. It's one of those things that is worth splurging on.

For the kitchen, Ikea cabinets are surprisingly good.
 
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abj21[/url]":1ifg80nw]My parents redid there bathroom and one thing I really liked was separate knobs for water temperature and water pressure in the shower. So you can always have it at the exact right temperature.
To be fair, a single fixture of decent design / quality can give you fine control as well. It's more of a "shop smart" thing than a "two controls are guaranteed to serve better than one" thing.
 

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Kitchen:

DO YOUR RESEARCH on your appliances. DO NOT just go anywhere and pick what looks good. Prepare to spend extra to get long lasting quality.

We bought a Kenmore Elite Fridge, oven, microwave, and dishwasher. Good (but not great reviews). Here's the hit list since 2011:

  • Replace the entire computer in the dish washer.
  • Replace both racks in the dish washer.
  • Replace the door switch in the microwave. TWICE. And it's going bad again.
  • Replace the computer in the Fridge. HUGE pain in the ass.
  • The oven is one of the fancy upper/lower ovens. Neither of them heat evenly--I mean, it's bad. Imagine a large pizza in the oven...parts will be cold and uncooked, most of the bottom will be burned, and parts will be perfect.

Buy the extended warranty. This shit is silly expensive to fix. We got the 10 year. It cost about $500 and each one of those service calls above were in excess of $1500 (except the microwave switch).


Soft Close doors and Drawers.
We have "Blu-Motion" on ours, and I'll never go back to slammy doors and drawers.

Under Cabinet Lighting. Have them on a dimmer, cuz damn.

Pull out trays in the cabinets and/or pantry. You can actually use the whole cabinet, because you can actually see the whole thing. It's awesome. Same with the drawers. Get the ones that open ALL the way--I know that sounds silly, but I forget what they're called. The rails mount underneath instead of on the sides, so the drawers can open all the way.
 

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abj21[/url]":1wm4h064]My parents redid there bathroom and one thing I really liked was separate knobs for water temperature and water pressure in the shower. So you can always have it at the exact right temperature.
To be fair, a single fixture of decent design / quality can give you fine control as well. It's more of a "shop smart" thing than a "two controls are guaranteed to serve better than one" thing.
There's more simplicity in separated faucets that only control flow for a single temperature, versus a single faucet that has to control for both pressure and temperature together.

I, personally, prefer the former in the shower/tub, and the latter for sink fixtures.

Regarding Kenmore appliances: They get manufactured by a wide variety of actual manufacturers, so that's something to be aware of.
 

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Definitely go with a long, high faucet (preferably with a hose and mister built in) and a deep sink. I'm partial to the two basin ones.

I'm partial to butcher block islands, and only use cutting boards for the rare occasions when I eat meat. As long as you periodically treat them with mineral oil, they stay happy.

Lots of outlets in the kitchen for appliances.

Check wiring. Make sure the stuff that uses lots of power is on a dedicated line.

Go with the cheap basic dishwasher. They end up using more energy, but are more consistent in actually cleaning dishes than the higher end "smart" dishwashers. This is probably the only appliance I've experienced where this is true. I've never talked to anybody that was actually happy with their high-end dishwasher, and I made the mistake of replacing my cheap dishwasher with a Bosch model. Sure, it's nearly silent when running, but dishes frequently come out dirty.
 

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Under Cabinet Lighting. Have them on a dimmer HomeKit, cuz damn.

Dimming lights is so 1990s. The new hotness it telling Siri to do it. ;)

My wish list when we finally are back in a house we can renovate:

1) A large, professional grade gas range in the island. If the area isn't served by gas at all, induction, but I'd be disappointed.
2) A massive flu over that range
3) Double ovens. I roast/bake things often enough that juggling the oven is annoying.
4) A full pantry.
5) Lots of prep space.
6) Fridge with glass doors
7) Built in wine storage
8) Convection toaster microwave combo unit - had one in the last house and actually got a lot of use out of it for reheating, unlike our current microwave
9) Super quiet disposal.
10) Dual drawer dishwasher.

There is more, but I don't want to spend all day on this post.
 

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Under Cabinet Lighting. Have them on a dimmer HomeKit, cuz damn.

Dimming lights is so 1990s. The new hotness it telling Siri to do it. ;)

Dafuq is Homekit?

/searches interweb

OMFG!!! Dammit Semi, you just cost me a few thousand bucks!!!!!




9) Super quiet disposal.

Oh yeah, this is one thing I would omit. We got a super badass grind-a-wrench powerful one, and I hate it. I've never had one that doesn't leak or rust out, and this one lasted about a year before it started leaking. IMO, they are just trouble makers, as eventually, they will cause clogs.

I bought one of those $.99 cent screens that goes over the hole and I've never looked back. I still use the sink the same way, just the trash doesn't get mutilated and shot down the drain--I just dump the screen into the trash. Sink doesn't clog, sink doesn't stink or smell funky and I'm not damaging the plumbing. When I get around to it, I'm going to remove it and just pipe it properly.
 

Semi On

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OMFG!!! Dammit Semi, you just cost me a few thousand bucks!!!!!

Oh, and if you're going to put in smart lights you can control via voice commands, they might as well be multi-colored. ;)

Oh yeah, this is one thing I would omit. We got a super badass grind-a-wrench powerful one, and I hate it. I've never had one that doesn't leak or rust out, and this one lasted about a year before it started leaking. IMO, they are just trouble makers, as eventually, they will cause clogs.

I like having one that I use sparingly. I throw most things in the trash/compost, but don't have to worry about little bits of things. I do get what you mean though and can't fault your conclusion.
 

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Regarding appliances, probably worth the small amount to grab a Consumer Reports subscription. My old dishwasher died on Thanksgiving, and in perusing CR's recommendations I found that among all the 1200$+ models was the Bosch Ascenta which was half the price and tests just as well (including very quiet).

Don't forget to think about paint colors and how they will match with the cabinets/countertops/backsplash.

If you do a lot of cooking, especially high heat, a range hood will be far more effective then those combination microwave + fans in exhausting the space.
 

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Lots of good ideas, keep them coming!

Might turn this into the "poke fun at Scott while he tries to navigate the modern world of renovation" thread :)

Called a well reviewed architecture firm today; either they are well reviewed by only taking projects with plenty of money, or I'm way out of touch with what is reasonable. Without even asking any details about what the project entailed, the person said that for a kitchen and 3 bathrooms they wouldn't take the project without at least a $200k budget. Have 2 design build places coming this week to look, and waiting to hear back from some others.

Random response: Semi, we were getting Hue bulbs, but the fact that they don't remember previous setting after power loss is a huge fail. Having the bedroom lights turn on to full brightness white after the power blips was the most annoying thing. We haven't dumped them, but aren't buying any more with that limitation.
 

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Random response: Semi, we were getting Hue bulbs, but the fact that they don't remember previous setting after power loss is a huge fail. Having the bedroom lights turn on to full brightness white after the power blips was the most annoying thing. We haven't dumped them, but aren't buying any more with that limitation.

I can see that, but I tend to view it as a feature, not a bug. We have them in regular lamps throughout the lower level of the house. Those lamps are plugged into sockets controlled by traditional switches. I can flick the lights off then on and be back into normal light bulb brightness versus pulling my phone out and picking a specific scene.
 

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9) Super quiet disposal.


Oh yeah, this is one thing I would omit. We got a super badass grind-a-wrench powerful one, and I hate it. I've never had one that doesn't leak or rust out, and this one lasted about a year before it started leaking. IMO, they are just trouble makers, as eventually, they will cause clogs.

I bought one of those $.99 cent screens that goes over the hole and I've never looked back. I still use the sink the same way, just the trash doesn't get mutilated and shot down the drain--I just dump the screen into the trash. Sink doesn't clog, sink doesn't stink or smell funky and I'm not damaging the plumbing. When I get around to it, I'm going to remove it and just pipe it properly.
Its also one of the abosulte easiest things in the world to swap out. I've only had cheap ass ones, and one installed badly, leak. Even then, I'll take $150 every 5 to 8 years on a new one over throwing food away in the trash. Only way I'd omit one is if I had a compost area...
 

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On Fridges, we had a repair guy out this past month for a switch that was out on our old fridge (thankfully, not too bad of a repair). Picked his brain for his thoughts on recommended brands since we're looking to remodel in the coming year - from a repair guy point of view, he liked Whirlpool the best (uses high quality compressors, doesn't tend to over-engineer, fairly servicable). GE was ok in his book, slightly marred by a couple of odd design decisions that increase the service cost by a bit on a few things.

He didn't have good things to say about Samsung or LG - while they have some pretty cool tech, their reliability isn't very good in his experience and can involve costly system board replacement (he had seen a few that involved waiting on replacement parts coming from overseas that caused repair time taking days/a week).
 

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Just a couple from changes we've made around the house:

Single-basin kitchen sink: double basin sinks are bullshit and make cleaning large things (like baking sheets, cutting boards) a huge pain in the ass because they don't fit in the sink

Oval toilets: better form factor, less messy.

Under-sink water filter: screw messing with Brita pitchers or bulky filters that screw onto the faucet spout and get in the way, dedicated under-sink filter with separate spout for filtered water is the bomb (ours also feeds the icemaker in the fridge).
 

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JasterMereel[/url]":3mrwkz8k]19) Hood vent over the stove should vent outside. Venting it back into the kitchen is worthless.
I haven't read the whole thread. I didn't even read the whole list. I searched for "hood" to see if it had been mentioned. I wanted to highlight it, make sure it wasn't lost.
 
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