Musk tries to avoid testifying, asks court to block FTC’s Twitter probe

Can we officially start applying the adjective "embattled" to Musk yet?
That would imply that others were to blame; what's the correct adjective for "petulant man-child who keeps punching himself in his own dumb face and then whining about how the guy in the mirror did it to him"?
 
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Ezzy Black

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I'm surprised republicans just haven't come out straight and said that the law and constitution shouldn't apply to them.
This is actually the end-around. Recently they have more and more been trying to keep laws from being enforced.

One of the first things done after the mid-terms was the republicans creating the Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government. It's pure focus is to try to fight enforcement. When you are corrupt, trying to change the laws you violate is a pretty bad look. But as long as they aren't enforced, you're golden.
 
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It’s not that the law doesn’t apply to them but that they felt the law is being applied differentials and politically, because they are treating everything the government does while mostly controlled by democrats as a political move.

That’s a very Communistic thinking, treating everything with a political motive. There is currently one country in this world that does this, to the level of an art. I am hoping republicans aren’t thinking US is operating like that country.
No, they certainly do. Conservatism definitionally holds that there is a social hierarchy of some manner from which it holds that the law protects those at the top and the law punishes those at the bottom. That's the foundation on which the entire movement is built. Musk, being at the top, is not to be held accountable by the law even for doing the exact same thing that a black man would have done.

Just wait until the Trump documents case gets toward it's conclusion and conservatives try to reconcile why Walt Nauda should get prison time but Trump, facing the same charges and many worse ones, should not simply because the former occupies a different station on that social hierarchy than Trump.

Democrats, as a group, get thrown to the bottom of that social hierarchy for arguing that there should not be a social hierarchy, and the punishment by the law is supposed to re-educate them into seeing the inevitable wisdom of the hierarchy.

See, conservatives don't have to hate trans people, but someone has to be at the bottom in order for me to be at the top, so there's this constant lifeboat ethics puzzle being solved in realtime for who is deserving of being cast out of the lifeboat of completely arbitrary capacity. Every call for 'Black Lives Matter' is received as a demand that the rich white folks get thrown out of the boat, rather than an observation that the boat is completely imaginary and can be made to hold everyone.

Bullshit laws arbitrarily applied is how they generally enforce the system, so yeah, they 100% believe the laws don't apply to them because the laws aren't supposed to apply to them. Conservative women still get their abortions, after all - they just have to pay more.
 
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No, they certainly do. Conservatism definitionally holds that there is a social hierarchy of some manner from which it holds that the law protects those at the top and the law punishes those at the bottom.
I believe the traditional expression is "there are two groups, those the law protects but does not bind, and those the law binds but does not protect."
 
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He's definitely got an MO at this point. First he tries to make a personal backroom deal, then when that inevitably doesn't work he files a big, flashy, ridiculously baseless Hey Cut It Out lawsuit that he can use to exhaust his foes or at least play for time.

As others have mentioned, this is also Trump's method. It's effective to a point but you need to quit while you're ahead and these guys are fundamentally incapable of that. They're determined to keep doing it way past the point it stops working, and we're all tensely waiting to see if their mountains of bullshit finally collapse on them.
 
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I'm surprised republicans just haven't come out straight and said that the law and constitution shouldn't apply to them.

The GOP is all about state capture, and their model is Mexico. That's why they're so into big border walls, so Americans won't peer over the top and see their own future.
 
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The GOP is all about state capture, and their model is Mexico. That's why they're so into big border walls, so Americans won't peer over the top and see their own future.

But they would need a symbiotic public/private relationship with a broad network of heavily armed criminals/insurgents poised to seize de facto control of large swathes of territory. Maybe not narco consortiums, something more like nationalists or militias or something, and... oh.
 
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I can't be bothered trying to analyse the deposition, but this quote jumped out at me.

"The FTC's overreach has now culminated in a demand to depose Mr. Musk, who is not, and never has been, a party to the Consent Order."

No, Twitter-me-Elmo. You became a party to the consent order the moment you bought the company. Buying the company means that you acquired it in its entirety: its assets, its liabilities, and its responsibilities. The consent order was one such responsibility. You don't get to walk out on it just because you claim you weren't involved in it being imposed: you chose to be bound by it by the simple fact of buying the company.

You would have known this when you did due diligence on your purchase. You did do your due diligence on your purchase, right?

Given the level of bullshit in this one statement, I'm going to just go ahead and assume that the rest of the filing is similar.
 
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This right wing "why wont you let me crime, im being persecuted" tantrum shit is decaying the basic foundational capability of our society to remain both feet out of anarchy. And because they are all behaving horribly they assume everyone else must be too. The R led house needs look no further than the mirror to discover what weaponization of govt actually is.
But no, much easier to outright fabricate nonsense to go after "the other" who are trying to do their damn jobs.
 
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Your post is the perfect vehicle for me to announce, yet again, how cringe worthy I find it when Musk stans refer to him as "Elon," as if he's their pal and they go to grab some drinks with him every couple of evenings or so
Genesis 26:34-35 (NIV)
When Esau was forty years old, he married Judith daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and also Basemath daughter of Elon the Hittite. They were a source of grief to Isaac and Rebekah.
The role of those named “Elon” through history has been a challenging one…

PS And yes, Elon was also the name of a Zebulunite clan and a judge in Israel (Num 26:26 & Jdg 12:11).
 
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I've worked at a large company that was regularly under FCC consent decrees. Yes... not FTC. These were usually something between inconvenient and onerous. During my employment twice we were bought by private equity firms. At no point did anyone think it'd be a good idea to ask the FCC to get off our backs. Our own actions (or inactions) got them there in the first place and the new owners didn't change any of those circumstances. Not sure why Mr. Musk think he's due some sort of special treatment from regulators.
I've heard from teachers that the "problem kids" actually get the most favorable treatment when it comes to grading. Nice kids and people the teacher can't put a face to a name get "fair" treatment, but when they see a name on a report that makes their blood boil, they tend to overcorrect on making sure the grade isn't reflecting the teacher's (harsh) opinion of the kid's personality.

I have yet to hear Khan say something that was factually incorrect. Musk just seems to be trying to play the asshole card to get preferential treatment (as crazy as it sounds)
 
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This right wing "why wont you let me crime, im being persecuted" tantrum shit is decaying the basic foundational capability of our society to remain both feet out of anarchy. And because they are all behaving horribly they assume everyone else must be too. The R led house needs look no further than the mirror to discover what weaponization of govt actually is.
But no, much easier to outright fabricate nonsense to go after "the other" who are trying to do their damn jobs.

In my opinion the fundamental goal of the American system of government, as envisioned by the founders and as it has evolved to this day, is to establish a reliable method for organizing ourselves effectively when like 90% of that method is broken as fuck.
 
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Dude really, REALLY doesn't want to be deposed and have to speak on the record, where he can be held legally accountable for what he says.

No doubt ninja'd, but there's a simple explanation for the number of number of demand letters since Elon acquired Twitter, and that's that prior to the acquisition Twitter would engage with the FTC and cough up the requested info, and since the acquisition they've been stonewalling and dragging their heels, resulting in more demand letters as the FTC loses patience. I also don't put much stock in the bleating noises coming from the EY auditor. Enough rotten flesh sloughs off those big audit/professional services firms from time to time to reveal that their valued integrity is mostly a facade (witness the current shenanigans with PWC in Australia), ultimately it's all about the billable hours and not pissing off people who might hire you in the future.

Normally I write these but don't actually post them, but ahh wth :D
 
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This seems purely performative. He obviously has no grounds to win the case, so in that sense it's just throwing away money on lawyers (money that supposedly Twitter doesn't have to throw away), but he might win more political points. What good those points will do him, I have no idea.
He wants to be on record in expectation that the next administration will be more sympathetic to his cause? Whatever that cause may be.
 
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Not taking away from Ars' coverage, but every article about elom is starting to look the same — stupid man-infant does ludicrous, irresponsible, and self-destructive thing. He deserves a Flailer of the Year award. Where will he swing his little arms next? But I guess "we only report the news, we don't make it" is a reasonable defense.

To me, the only real news here is that Republifascists are siding with Foolio at all. I guess birds of a feather really do flock together.
 
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I've worked at a large company that was regularly under FCC consent decrees. Yes... not FTC. These were usually something between inconvenient and onerous. During my employment twice we were bought by private equity firms. At no point did anyone think it'd be a good idea to ask the FCC to get off our backs. Our own actions (or inactions) got them there in the first place and the new owners didn't change any of those circumstances. Not sure why Mr. Musk think he's due some sort of special treatment from regulators.
It's almost like snowflakes can't stand the heat or something /shrug
 
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Doing it on the Ars forum is simply helping make the Newhouse family richer (they own this website via Condé Nast)

I distinctly remember being at a work dinner about ten years ago with major media luminaries, and they were back slapping each other laughing incredulously at how the hoi polloi was voluntarily (their emphasis) adding to their wealth by increasing engagement and value at their various internet media properties.

That's what all of us here at Ars are really doing at the end of the day. It doesn't bother me personally, but it may bother other people here if they really knew what was going on.
Well no shit. Why do you think I went to Mastodon?

But here's the thing. You may not be able to completely escape capitalism, but you can at least participate on your own terms. Musk walking in with his sink was signaling this was going to happen on his terms, so I was out. I stayed and then left Reddit on my terms. I'll stay and leave this place on my own terms as well.
 
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I can't be bothered trying to analyse the deposition, but this quote jumped out at me.



No, Twitter-me-Elmo. You became a party to the consent order the moment you bought the company. Buying the company means that you acquired it in its entirety: its assets, its liabilities, and its responsibilities. The consent order was one such responsibility. You don't get to walk out on it just because you claim you weren't involved in it being imposed: you chose to be bound by it by the simple fact of buying the company.

You would have known this when you did due diligence on your purchase. You did do your due diligence on your purchase, right?

Given the level of bullshit in this one statement, I'm going to just go ahead and assume that the rest of the filing is similar.
I could see Musk not being "a party" of the consent order if he was "merely" an owner of the company, as in his only role. After all, it doesn't look like the FTC is looking to depose Jack Dorsey or any of the other remaining shareholders of Twitter.

However, in addition to buying Twitter, Musk also dissolved the board, and made himself CEO. He literally made himself the top employee of the company, and as a result, subject to the FTC consent decree. It's such a massive self-own.
 
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Doing it on the Ars forum is simply helping make the Newhouse family richer (they own this website via Condé Nast)

I distinctly remember being at a work dinner about ten years ago with major media luminaries, and they were back slapping each other laughing incredulously at how the hoi polloi was voluntarily (their emphasis) adding to their wealth by increasing engagement and value at their various internet media properties.

That's what all of us here at Ars are really doing at the end of the day. It doesn't bother me personally, but it may bother other people here if they really knew what was going on.

"Rich people own most of the stuff we use and give money to, story at 11."

Unless you can point to the Newhouse family being a bunch of Nazis, which Musk demonstrates he is daily, you're not saying much.
 
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Yes. Anybody breaking laws is a pretty big problem. In this case though, FTC are investigating the valid and confirmed suspicion that Musk’s Twitter is breaking laws - as is their job and duty. Which Musk doesn’t like at all.
But don’t worry - if your friend “Elon” hasn’t done anything wrong, then the investigation will find he has done nothing wrong. Sure does sound like he’s in a bit of trouble on that count though.
Close - not breaking the law, but just violating the decree which will likely end in crazy amounts of fines.
 
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The Emoluments clause of the Constitution was a "fake clause". He said that, exactly that. It barely made a blip in the news cycles. Like, no one really said "let's talk about this one for a second".

Turns out that with modern media, "flood the zone with bullshit" is a damn effective tactic. So many are looking so hard for a hot take that "let's talk about this one for a second" always loses out to the next outrage. And if the zone isn't flooded with bullshit, there's always another fucking Cletus safari.

Reporting just ain't what it used to be.
 
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