Musk emails remaining Twitter staff to find “anyone who actually writes software”

Wheels Of Confusion

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I’ll say it again: his hard-on for “the best” software developers grates on me. Those people are rare and it takes a legion of roles and talent in each discipline to build something good.

You need hardcore ops people just as much as you need senior developers. You need people who are excellent at troubleshooting even if they’re only mediocre developers.
He only wants rockstars. But he wants them to toil like galley slaves.

We'll see how that plays out.
 
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This “only stay if you can’t get a less shitty job” filter seems destined to leave a staff resembling the folks on Golgafrincham Ark Fleet Ship B

You know, that's a good analogy to Musk's leadership. He gets rid of the people he thinks are useless, without ever asking why someone found them useful.

Then runs into something very catastrophic because he fired the people who prevented it from happening. Just like what happened to the people who weren't on the B Ark.
 
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effgee

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My favorite tweet of the day:

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Leaving the rest of it aside, and we really shouldn't, but still -- leaving everything else aside ...

Who asks for screenshots of 'salient' code to understand a tech stack? Not links to commits or even copy-pasted excerpts, but screenshots?
I had to print out about thousands of pages of emails for a lawsuit once. The terms they asked for were things like "jpg" "image" "photo" and "link" -- I decided to do the search on the raw html emails, to be extra "helpful" to the opposing counsel (or at least their bills for discovery). This feels similar somehow.
 
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In an org twitters size and operating in as many jurisdictions as they do it probably is (lol was) a large team of both inside and outside legal.

And the folks saying tha twitter staff should be 1/100 or less of the 7,500 -- do you even realize just in one area how complicated the global market is for a site like this one? I am sure they had a absolute ton of work effort just related to legal exposures, procedures and compliance across all of the jurisdictions they work in.
Yes, of course. In a well-run company with a well-run legal department there regular push and pull about what makes sense to do internally and when to hire external counsel. It changes over time for various reasons. That kind of analysis and discussion, um, does not seem to be what was being proposed.
 
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Leptir

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Yeah, it's down so much Tesla's valuation is only ten times GM's.

If you really believe that Tesla is 10 times more valuable than GM, you'd be crazy not to sell your house, your car, your cat, and the shirt off your back, and dump all that money on TSLA. But I suspect that deep down you know that TSLA is a manipulated meme stock, even tho you won't admit it.
 
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I have one app, (just one of many) written c++ that is 10,000+ lines of code without any of the add-in libs, etc, I'd send him 156 screen shots with 64 lines of code each. Good fing luck Musk, and the last screen shot would be my Resignation. :)
You should send him your entire app as a screenshot of a Twitter thread.
 
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Inaksa

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The only place as crazy as Twitter right now is probably the Ars editorial Slack channel:

“I need more writers!”

“Sir, you’ve already used all the reserves, and Ashley and the others on the tip of the spear need to rotated out…”

“But this is our finest hour! Tell Aurich to stop monkeying with the commenting system and get us some graphics”

I think beth is about to publish an article on how bad for anyones health is Twitter. At this point pick any article about asbestos, replace the word with twitter and noone would see a difference
 
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herozero

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I just cannot get over the big brain energy of sending him screenshots of code.

Just fucking incredible.

Like telling a mason to take pictures of six bricks in a skyscraper so the guy in the penthouse can understand the building’s floor plan.
This times 100. Un-fucking-believable.
 
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Yes, running a social media platform has the exact same code thats used for Rockets, its components, controllers, ICs, etc. Same as the software that tells an EV all of its operating parameters.

/s
Not entirely untrue. Tesla's self-driving code seems to share a lot with the code for a ballistic missile.
 
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delesley

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Screenshots? ... of code?

And I'm not a programmer so perhaps someone can help me out with something. But shouldn't there be some sort of architecture plan that people contribute to so people know how things go together? Something like a hierarchy/dependency tree or a flowchart or something? I wouldn't think individual lines of code would be valuable. At least, I wouldn't think that one could appreciate a piece of code you can screenshot. Presumably the code and its built-in test elements are dependent on the rest of an ecosystem and only by understanding the entire space can the quality of code be appreciated.

I am a software engineer, and you are absolutely correct. I've had to do code reviews in the past of another company's code base when my employer was doing an acquisition. We did look at the code itself, but mainly just to verify code hygiene, documentation, presence of appropriate unit tests, etc. We also went through a bunch of high-level organizational charts and presentations, which were absolutely critical to understanding how everything fit together. None of that would fit into a few screen shots.

In other words, you (a non-programmer) know a lot more about software engineering than Musk does. Of course, at this point the same could probably be said about most of humanity, so don't let it go to your head. :)
 
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Aurich

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bl17

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Here ya go Elon- I realize that by "lines of code" I'm not doing great but hopefully you can be merciful

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If the salient code has to be at most 140 characters, APL is the natural choice.
 
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balthazarr

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Setting aside the arsehole tone and tenor of the emails...

Understand the tech stack? WTF?

This is now beyond farcical, I don't even think there is a word to adequately describe the dysfunction. I mean, we're talking Wile E. Coyote levels of super genius.

He only now wants to "better understand" the tech stack? Mind boggling.
 
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Also, taking bets: how many Scaramuccis (starting today) until Twitter breaks? I say no more than 3, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's less than 1.
Definitely less than one; in fact, I propose a new measure, the Musk, equal to 1/5th of a Scaramucci. With that, I think Twitter will last 2 Musks, max.
 
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panton41

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Serious question - is Mush making an actual Twitter 2.0 over on the sidelines? Like he's gonna roll out an OSX-type version so it all looks/feels/works how he thinks it should, the way Jobs pushed OS9 out to pasture?
To be fair Classic Mac was an absolute garbage operating system built on Pascal. Windows 95 was far, far more advanced at a low level and Windows NT might as well have been magic. Classic Mac memory management was a brain dead dumpster fire that had to be done manually by the user. It was pretty and very, very little else. The only thing OS 9 did more reliably than WinNT was crash.

MacOS X brought little things like preemptive multitasking, memory protection and a security model that wasn't obscurity.

Edit: And let me just say I'm writing this on an 16GB/1TB 14" M1Pro MacBook Pro, while watching South Park on my Apple TV with an iPhone SE and 2020 11-inch iPad Pro 1-TB with inches of my body and a Windows 11 desktop across the room. And my first "modern" computer was a Macintosh Performa 6360 that shipped with Mac System 7.5.5 that I personally upgraded to System 8.6. Classic Mac was trash.
 
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Yep it's happened, he's finally gone full Gaddaffi! Next he'll be hanging 50ft high portraits of himself outside the Twitter HQ building.
Gaddhafi? More like McAfee.
Christmas is coming earlier for companies with holes in their Web Service services.
Obviously Facebook was bloated, but I wonder if the timing and scope of their layoffs were influenced by the market being absolutely flooded with highly experienced social media vets. Anyone know if they have a hiring freeze as well?
 
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co-lee

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Are we 100% sure that The Onion has not pirated the meincmagazine.com url???

And let me guess - they have to pay for the flights to SF themselves, right?
I'm sure they can submit an expense report to their no-longer-employed-at-twitter manager who will immediately send it for payment to the no-longer-existent payroll dept ...
 
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