More than 2 million Teslas are being recalled due to unsafe Autopilot
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Hahahaha
Also the torque sensor for hand presence is stupid and everyone who disagrees with me is wrong. It's easily defeated AND falsely accuses drivers of not having their hand on the wheel so it fails in both directions.
Also the torque sensor for hand presence is stupid and everyone who disagrees with me is wrong. It's easily defeated AND falsely accuses drivers of not having their hand on the wheel so it fails in both directions.
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I havent got the update yet but im curious if its just more lawyer warnings on the screen. They pushed an update that stopped wheel weights from working a while back.
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Tesla's mechanism for detecting hands on the wheel is terrible. It requires you to exert rotational force on the wheel, and sometimes it requires you to do it enough to alter the direction of the car, albeit slightly. Other cars are easily able to detect hands on the wheel without you having to turn the wheel. Phones have detected touch reliably for a long time now. It's not an area that should be implemented so poorly.
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Can't believe I have to write this again since it's in the actual story you just commented on, but how a fix is applied is utterly irrelevant to the fact that there is a safety defect that requires fixing. The point is that the public and owners are notified about the safety defect, not that it requires a visit to a mechanic or dealership to fix.
The only people who have reason to suggest otherwise are displaying motivated reasoning.
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At some point, they should be required to recall their vehicles and add the hardware that should have been there all along, instead of relying on them to make more and more tweaks to the software to make up for Musk's insistence on minimal hardware, which has a long history of being shown to be inadequate.
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Cruise control is well understood to not be an auto-pilot system, unlike the system that Tesla literally advertises as "autopilot".
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Do any of those cars make the claim that the car can drive itself? Like Tesla and Musk have repeatedly?
The problem is less the capability of the system and more the claimed capability of the system. Cruise control has never claimed to do anything other than maintain speed.
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Tough break for all the Mush and Tesla defenders that tried to deflect downplay or discredit the recent whistleblower and lawsuits around autopilot. The proof is now in the data pudding, the regulators know Tesla is guilty of putting out an inadequate system and then lying about it
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As someone with a model 3 and baseline autopilot I’ll say, “Good”.
For me I use it only as a backup to my driving while doing long distance highway driving.
For me I use it only as a backup to my driving while doing long distance highway driving.
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Absolutely not. Once again, since apparently you also have problems reading or understanding this: the fact that there is an official Part 573 Safety Recall Notice means this is an official safety recall. There is a safety defect, the public needs to be notified about that, and there has to be a fix in the works. No amount of "I love my Tesla" or "$TSLA went up again today, yay" will obviate any of what I just wrote.
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My Forester uses a torque sensor as well. And what annoys me about it is that I'm happily driving along using EyeSight, with both hands on the bottom of the steering wheel, but not supplying any torque - and the damn thing keeps complaining that I need to have my hands on the wheel. So every so often I have to tweak the steering wheel to keep it happy.
Of course I'm not stupid enough to hang a water bottle off my steering wheel. Partly because I know that EyeSight does fail under differing circumstances. But I accept those limitations while happily resting my arm muscles on long drives.
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It's the main reason I very rarely use Autosteer. Autosteer tends to put the car right where I want it, so I don't want to correct it for the most part. I need to constantly think to try to steer the car away from where I actually want the car to be, and when I fail to do that, I get nagged by the screen which draws my attention away from actually driving.
The cruise control is pretty great in normal conditions though.
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A recall is a recall and a defect a defect no matter what delivery option is used to try and remedy it. A recall notice serves a legal and regulatory purpose and it required so that automakers can't just sneak around behind our backs pretending they never had a defect to try and pass cost or repair responsibility onto the customer/driver.
Why shouldn't it be a recall just because it's an OTA software update? It's a recall pure and simple
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How about simply locking out Autopilot, period, when the car isn't on a controlled-access highway? You know, the way a bunch of other car companies do for similar driver-assist systems? Or would that not be sufficiently edgy and disruptive?
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Emphasis mine. That's not really auto industry jargon, and even if people don't understand it, you can't expect the author to dumb down the headline to accommodate those people, especially on Ars.
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Or are just stuck with semantics.
'Recall' used to require dragging the vehicle back to the dealer. Even if it was 'just' software. Over the Air updates for safety issues are great because everybody gets them, not just somebody motivated enough to get to the dealer.
Same issue as 'autopilot'. Words mean different things to different people. But, TFA makes it quite clear what you meant.
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With the limitations of current technology on display, at some point you really might as well just drive the car yourself instead of gripping the wheel in a tense state of catlike readiness, waiting for your car to betray you at any moment.
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OK let's just agree to call it a recall then as not to confuse lay people.
How come this recall is confusing you?
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Quit puffing smoke up Teslas ass, everyone and their dog understands what an automotive recall means. In this case the driver needs to be aware of the defect to make sure their car actually gets/installs the software update, others you might need to take it into the shop. And until you get that update/repair you shouldn't do certain things (like use the autopilot in this case, or in other cases things like park outside due to fire risk etc etc)
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Those people are generally well aware of what's being said and the meaning - they are just frustrated that their man crush and savior is being shown to be incorrect about something in public.
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How many of those are being driven in the US and thus part of this US-based recall? My guess is that it's a lot closer to the 2 million covered by the recall notice.
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Except to at least four people who couldn't wait to show the rest of us how they failed at reading comprehension. I am quite sure they won't be the last, either.
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I thought the original detection method was also based on capacitive touch like others because I seen the orange trick. But actually it seems any heavy object does the trick.
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