Microsoft keeps insisting that it’s deeply committed to the quality of Windows 11

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It's been a year since my work machine was upgraded to Window11 and the bug where the taskbar search just stops working after a couple of hours still remains. This commitment to quality is hard to see from my perspective.

My home machine is still Windows 10 for a couple of reasons. One is that it's too old and doesn't have a TPM, not even in the BIOS. But the other is that I still don't trust pushing my login info off to Microsoft's servers and Windows 11 is really pushy about that. Even on Windows 10 I'm now technically out of support because I think that is just a terrible idea. Luckily I have also not booted into Windows at home in ages. It is just for the occasional (and increasingly rare) piece of software that doesn't work properly under Wine.
 
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Fake shutdowns, making laptops melt if you have not made sure it really turns off, but hang on, we are going to update your OS. My laptop runs Windows 11 since it is not that well supported in Linux, but that is an Acer problem, not Microsoft, at least i think so.
My Acer Swift 14 laptop from 2024 runs Ubuntu Linux flawlessly and without any driver issues. Which Acer laptop do you have and which parts of it are "not that well supported in Linux"?
 
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My Acer Swift 14 laptop from 2024vruns Ubuntu Linux flawlessly and without any driver issues. Which Acer laptop do you have and which parts of it are "not that well supported in Linux"?
Acer Swift 16"- Or SFE-43 R0ME - 7840U/16GB/1TB - The 3.2K OLED panel is not well supported and battery drains much faster than in Windows in general, there are graphical glitches that make it not a comfortable Mint machine. Tried other distributions, but it is the same. Seems to be an Acer thing after weeks of research. I am selling it though soon and i will get an Air instead.
 
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Switching to Fedora was the best thing I ever did. Aside from some games not running without tweaks, or even fewer not at all right now, EVERYTHING else is so much better. Probably not a coincidence that two of the biggest games that aren't working are MS property (Starfield and Doom the Dark Ages), but also probably because I am on an Intel Alchemist GPU. You don't realize how much faster file system operations, dev work, and how much better qualify of life is until you make the switch.

FWIW: I'm running Linux Mint on a machine with an Nvidia GPU, and Doom the Dark Ages runs for me just fine. (This despite Nvidia's linux support being "bad").
 
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Recall was the last straw for me. Sure, I use Windows at work plenty, but for home use not so much anymore.

One of my relatives recently asked me for advice on buying a new laptop. They are not terribly computer literate but they are comfortable with their iPhone. I could not think of a reason to even suggest a Windows laptop. This is coming from someone who has used Windows personally and professionally for over thirty years.

As a previous poster said, this will come back to bite them. I have to believe it already is.
Especially when you can now get an Apple laptop for $600.
 
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As it always is with micro$oft, this... "reduce unnecessary Copilot entry points" contains the word necessary within; and that's where the microslop meets the road cos M$ doesn't want to lose the big butt money it expects from snooping on you as you use your computer. I'm set for Linux and will migrate as soon as I am ready to deal with the stuff I want to keep.
I have 11 right now and it's... fine, but I used a sneaky progrram to kill as much of the fat as possible... but, it's still windows and with the slant taken by the company... no. Just.. NO. You've lost what little trust you had. Bye winderz
 
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Microsoft knows this. Microsoft makes their money on "Cloud", so Windows has turned into a complicated advertisement that pushes their Cloud services that happens to do OS tasks on the side.

There were roadmaps at some point with neat features such as, for example, updating the ancient, crufty, NTFS file system to a full-fledged CoW system a-la ZFS that would have done wonders for system stability and robustness, but all that has withered on the vine as resources have shifted. It used to be Developers! Developers! Developers!, then Cloud! Cloud! Cloud!, and now its "All AI, All the time!". Even the GUI, which Windows pioneered for a long time, is a second-class citizen and the limited features, the awful way Windows handles notifications, and the absolute clusterfuck that is Windows Settings/Windows Control Panel (not fixed for 4+ years now) highlights that fact. They don't make money on Windows, so they don't give a rat's ass about it.

They have lost the plot with mobile devices. Windows Mobile (NOT Windows CE!) was great, but they totally fumbled it and lost that edge. History is repeating itself with AI - Copilot is only successful (to some degree) because of how HARD they push it in the Enterprise.
It is actually 14+ years of Settings/Control Panel mashup bs.
 
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[From my Win-11 tweak notes: Disable CoPilot]

gpedit.msc group policies...

Local computer policy
User configuration
Admin templates
Windows components
Windows Copilot
(Policy) "Turn off Windows Copilot" enabled.
While that's the correct answer, look how deep they buried it. They may as well have hidden it in the basement, labeled the door "beware of the leopard" and taken away the stairs. The average non technical user is never going to find the Off Switch. Now put that switch in a more obvious part of the user settings, with maybe a couple of options for were you want copilot to appear, and a lot of the complaints will go away.
 
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Acer Swift 16"- Or SFE-43 R0ME - 7840U/16GB/1TB - The 3.2K OLED panel is not well supported and battery drains much faster than in Windows in general, there are graphical glitches that make it not a comfortable Mint machine. Tried other distributions, but it is the same. Seems to be an Acer thing after weeks of research. I am selling it though soon and i will get an Air instead.
Funny. My Acer Swift 14 (SFG14-63) has the AMD 8645HS with a 2880x1800 OLED panel and it runs Linux with no discernable difference from Windows 11, which is installed on the other SSD that the laptop allows. I guess a one year difference in release date means something in this case.
 
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Is the desktop metaphor for file manament still relevant? What about capability based security? Intent driven scheduling, heterogeneous compute and storage? There are so many things left to do...

...but Notepad needs AI I guess.
It seems to me that mobile OSes were a chance to rethink things and make (sometimes) better decisions. For example, with iOS instead of allow programs to do everything by default all the time, they locked various things down behind specific APIs (which they introduced gradually over time). This lead to much tighter security, but it’s hard to change the thinking on desktop where compatibility and history and user knowledge encourage things to stay the same.

So it’s not an accident that they focussed on new things, that’s where the chance for improvement lay, whereas the desktop exists mainly to be the same as it has been for the last 30 years.
 
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ReactOS gets almost no attention or mention in these threads.
Because it's "still" in Alpha. It's not a complete OS (yet), and even if it was, it doesn't have the software support of the actual viable alternatives (Apple or Linux). You can't just install (or unbox) it, and use it as a daily driver. I suspect the folks that actually have the time and skills to finish the project are either employed by Apple or working on various Linux projects.
 
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FWIW: I'm running Linux Mint on a machine with an Nvidia GPU, and Doom the Dark Ages runs for me just fine. (This despite Nvidia's linux support being "bad").
Nvidia Linux support isn't perfect, but as long as the linux version / driver / GPU all match up it works great. Some older cards have dropped out of support with new Linux kernals, and sometimes manufacturers do weird things with their BIOS etc, so you can't guarantee Every combo will work. 98% chance it will, but I have some older cards that don't want to play with the latest version of Mint. AMD does seem to have more reliable Linux support.
 
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My suggestion for everyone's personal Win11 PC is to do the following:
This will more or less take you back to the Win10 experience and strip down the UI to the basics. Honestly, there are even more things you can do after that if you want to be even more minimal like reducing the right-click options, disabling services etc, but that's for the dedicated.

MacOS is just as bad these days. There are so many annoying things you have to disable to have a decent & simplistic UI. This is just software enshittification. For now, there are still ways to get around it, but I envision in the future, there really won't be.
 
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Advertising of any kind is excremental. The day I can't prevent a piece of technology from subjecting me to the art of lies is the day that technology goes in the trash. I couldn't be more serious. I would rather live under a rock than be drowned in privacy-invading targeted propaganda. I'd rather move to a trailer in the desert, eat grasshoppers, and poop in a hole than be a sheep in a virtual corporate pen.

Having been mired in it from birth, most people seem blissfully unaware of the loss of integrity inherent in being lied to, every moment of every day. Any nonviolent action taken to combat it is justified by self defense. Enshittification exists only because, whatever we say, we embrace it by default.
The worst part: we are paying for all advertising. It’s all built into the cost of every fucking thing we buy.
 
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I don't even remember the last "whoa" enhancement that made the product meaningfully more functional as an operating system. Not on Windows--and not on Linux or MacOS either.
On the macOS side, I would say Spotlight. Truly, truly instant search changes the way you use an OS.
 
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+1 for Debloat. After some annoying performance problems on my admittedly lowball HP laptop, I did the reset Windows thing, followed by running Debloat, and it's been happier camping since then.
I do like Raphire's debloat but if you're installing clean, an autounattend script gets a clean start for all profiles rather than just one: https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator/
 
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What came through was the voice of people who care deeply about Windows and want it to be better
Really? Does anyone actually care deeply about Windows? The idea of it is baffling to me. I’ve been developing on Windows for the past ten of the forty years I’ve been a developer. At best, I’m ambivalent toward Windows.
 
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Our bosses (including those in the govt who are REALLY our bosses, however we voted) are locked solidly into the Microsoft system. Regardless of glitches and hitches and inability to demonstrate adequate security (see recent/ongoing issues with M365 and Azure). So losing a few gamers to Linux or even Mac won't be noticed by anybody at MS. Ditto families and other home users. I'm a Linux and Windows user, and it's convenient (and possible) to do that as long as I don't need to use one of those Windows-only specialized apps (I have a couple - don't need them often, but when I do there's no reasonable alternative).

Oh well ... and what's been going on with Onedrive lately (precisely the issue I've been having appeared on the 19th as a known issue with the most recent Win11 update: inability to sign in and connect, falsely blaming lack of network connectivity).

Edit: BTW, I got the email about all the Great Stuff mentioned in this article (and more!) - allegedly for Insiders but the last time I was an active Insider was back in the early Windows 10 Phone Mobile era. Odd ...

Government can keep Windows, good riddance and that includes Microslop……

If Apple is behind dishing up the AI Slop, I’m fine with that too. Just keep working/pushing ahead on Apple Silicon and integrating the cross communication between the Mac/iPad and the iPhone….
 
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TBH 'natural' is only natural if you are already conditioned to that way of thinking, and so 'inverted' is the opposite of your conditioning. I honestly don't know which way is which (are Macs typically the opposite? I have no idea), but after a few minutes with a machine I manage to adjust to whichever way it wants to scroll. 'Down scrolls down' seems a much better way to describe it than deciding one way is 'natural'.
“Natural” scrolling is called that because one pushes the content when they scroll instead of pushing the scroll bar which was the default for years prior to touch screen phones. So scrolling up when not “Natural” makes the scroll bar move the direction you scroll and the content scrolls the other direction. “Inverted” goes the same direction as natural and that terminology comes from control setups in video games.
 
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The worst part: we are paying for all advertising. It’s all built into the cost of every fucking thing we buy.
And to add insult to injury, Microsoft now justifies their ad pushing crap because the OS is “Free” since they no longer charge for upgrades , which is absolutely false: You paid for a Windows license with the machine, that license today, unlike pre Windows 10, includes version upgrades.
 
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Maybe I just lack the creative vision, but I don't see the next "whoa, you can tile windows now", or "whoa, a start menu", or "whoa, tabbed browsing". I don't even remember the last "whoa" enhancement that made the product meaningfully more functional as an operating system.
What's really funny is that it's obvious they thought Recall was exactly this. They rolled it out with pride and great fanfare, clearly expecting people to say "whoa, my disorganized file backlog is manageable now!" And they were utterly gobsmacked when the world recoiled in horror and disgust.

I suspect this is far from the last time the blinkered techbros will be shocked when the rest of us have an immediate allergic reaction to some new idiotic brainstorm.
 
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Notepad.exe hung (infinite spinner, no close response, required Task Manager force kill) for the first ever time in my lifetime.

It was some network stall, and I blame it on CoPilot.

And I have been using Notepad since Windows version 3.0 in 1991 the one before 3.1!
The fun part is that if you uninstall the "Store" version of notepad with all the junk there's literally a registry key that prevents you from just assigning the OG notepad as a default file handler for files. have to hunt that down and kill it just to set it as a default app.
 
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And to add insult to injury, Microsoft now justifies their ad pushing crap because the OS is “Free” since they no longer charge for upgrades , which is absolutely false: You paid for a Windows license with the machine, that license today, unlike pre Windows 10, includes version upgrades.

It's funny, all the Linux distros I've used came with free upgrades and none of them seemed to feel the need to shove advertising in my face.
 
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Window's RAM usage shows significant evidence contrary to the idea that Microsoft carries even slightly about quality. I don't understand how they can't fit the basic OS in under 1GB at the desktop. And the idle CPU usage is all over the place.

And when it comes down to it, they still haven't implemented per app sandboxing as standard or dumped old insecure APIs. Windows is a very dated OS at this point and they're not doing much to fight tech debt.
 
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It's funny, all the Linux distros I've used came with free upgrades and none of them seemed to feel the need to shove advertising in my face.
For awhile, Ubuntu did have a deal with Amazon to shove advertising in people's faces. Needless to say it was hugely unpopular.
 
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We'll see what Microsoft ends up doing over the next few months, because Windows 11... it's weird. I enjoy the operating system if not for the multitude of paper cuts that it has (like how it seems to always reset the theme for my background when using virtual desktops), and the need to stuff Copilot into everything. In many ways, the problem I find with Windows 11 is that it tries being way too clever by half, which isn't so much an issue with Windows 11 than it is an issue with the way that Microsoft develops software. That being said I've pretty much become a committed Fedora Linux user, so my interaction with the Windows side of my partition is pretty limited.
 
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And when it comes down to it, they still haven't implemented per app sandboxing as standard or dumped old insecure APIs. Windows is a very dated OS at this point and they're not doing much to fight tech debt.
Backwards compatibility is the only thing Windows has going for it, so that's never going to happen.
 
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It's funny, all the Linux distros I've used came with free upgrades and none of them seemed to feel the need to shove advertising in my face.
Ubuntu advertise their "Pro" client at least once per day when starting a new shell, and almost every time when I run apt.
 
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We'll see what Microsoft ends up doing over the next few months, because Windows 11... it's weird. I enjoy the operating system if not for the multitude of paper cuts that it has (like how it seems to always reset the theme for my background when using virtual desktops), and the need to stuff Copilot into everything. In many ways, the problem I find with Windows 11 is that it tries being way too clever by half, which isn't so much an issue with Windows 11 than it is an issue with the way that Microsoft develops software. That being said I've pretty much become a committed Fedora Linux user, so my interaction with the Windows side of my partition is pretty limited.
One way to calm down the Copilot (stuff) is to use trailing edge technology, it seems. I have 10th & 11th gen Intel chips (Sig Other has similar generation AMD in her laptop, I think) that, regardless of RAM load, don't seem to qualify for use of AI. They all work with Win11 though. So I get lots of Copilot announcements but little of the action. Of course, that means at some point I will no longer get updates, and certainly will not get "Windows 12" whenever it appears.

Amusing that in the email I got (probably what triggered this article and similar ones in other pubs) announcing all the great stuff MS will be doing was a note about ability to move the taskbar around the screen (including to the side, not just the top). Billed as an improvement, but really it's the return of something that Windows 10 had since near its beginning (did Win8 have it?). Perhaps banging on that issue again and again finally got through to somebody?
 
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