LG TVs’ unremovable Copilot shortcut is the least of smart TVs’ AI problems

LG says it'll let people delete the Copilot icon. But TV chatbots aren't going away.

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Copilot is metastasizing. It never was benign in the first place.

I have been saying it here for months, Copilot is a scam. It's not a real product. It's a sales funnel disguised as a product.

The first clue is that nobody actually uses Copilot yet MS continues to shove it in every corner of their consumer product line with no true option or way to opt out. This is because they don't actually care if you want it or not because its not for you, it's for them. This is how you know its not a real product and is in fact a scam.

 

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While I share your sentiment I feel there is a big difference between a device you buy with the express purpose of having an AI assistant and a device you buy for some other purpose that has been bundled with one. Furthermore. if you like AI assistants you probably want only one of them to manage all your devices rather than each device having a different AI assistant.

"there is a big difference between a device you buy with the express purpose of having an AI assistant and a device you buy for some other purpose that has been bundled with one"

This is the key distinction in this entire conversation. It is the lack of choice that makes it dystopian. If there was a way to opt out it wouldn't really be a problem. But having something you might consider a bad thing forced upon you without your consent and no real way to say no or opt out is supremely dystopian.

Then to make it doubly evil a company like MS will say oh sure you can say "no" and you can click the opt out button but we are still going to keep doing it anyway.

 

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I get what you are saying but I question if he was really on the right track. The whole premise of his post was that if the tv is disconnected from the internet the tv is still going to get around it by accepting network traffic over HDMI. That is simply not true. HEC was never implemented in consumer products, though the HDMI pins that are designated for it still get used for Audio Return Channel.

I'm still not getting what people are failing to understand by my post. I specifically said he was factually incorrect. But that he was on the right track by suggesting that it is possible the HDMI connection somehow WAS in the loop of the data harvesting path.

Which as noted by others ITT it is entirely possible to harvest viewing data from HDMI. It is simply not possible to send such information OUT through HDMI. At least at the moment.

 

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I don't disagree with you about ACR, though in this instance I do think the whole concept you're focusing on is a bit flawed. If the set is disconnected it isn't going to be phoning home to the manufacturer mothership over HDMI cables or via any other method.

All I did was point out to the other guy that his bullshit post was bullshit. Because it's bullshit. You, OTOH, made a reasonable post and I tried to respond in kind, complete with explanation of my thought process.

And just to be clear, I am not one of the people who has downvoted your post.

"If the set is disconnected it isn't going to be phoning home to the manufacturer"

And I was saying don't count on that being the case if you ever put your home wifi password into the television.

Even if you somehow turned off wifi connectivity after the fact these companies are notorious for turning things back on through updates.

 

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His nonsense claim was that the TV would somehow connect to the internet through your Apple TV's wifi connection through the "ethernet" in HDMI.

That's a completely separate bit of madness from the TV taking screen captures of the content that it's display

How can one solve the problem without following breadcrumbs.

His suggestion was not "nonsense" it was just factually not correct. If you are trying to find a data leak and you wholly dismiss the HDMI connection who is performing malpractice here?

 

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His nonsense claim was that the TV would somehow connect to the internet through your Apple TV's wifi connection through the "ethernet" in HDMI.

That's a completely separate bit of madness from the TV taking screen captures of the content that it's display

How can one solve the problem without following breadcrumbs.

His suggestion was not "nonsense" it was just factually not correct. If you are trying to find a data leak and you wholly dismiss the HDMI connection who is performing malpractice here?



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Oh, but they will allow you to remove the icon. But not the application itself that will start/run everytime you turn the TV on.

Removing an icon does nothing towards dumping the skynet shitware itself and most people don't understand this.

I remember years ago MS got a slap on the wrist because they had a button to turn off some privacy invading feature but the button was purely cosmetic and didn't do anything. Like it was literally a simple graphic icon that said "off" when you switched it to the off position but wasn't connected to anything in the system.