iOS and iPadOS 26 will run on most things that support iOS and iPadOS 18

Its fine to drop support for newer iOS, but companies should still make their old Apps available. I had an old iPad 3 that would have worked fine for YouTube, but Google made their older App unavailable. While You could still use YouTube in the web browser, it was cludgy. The YouTube App worked perfectly fine until they made it unavailable.
 
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Apple tends to make it very hard for developers to target older unsupported OS versions. Which means your OS might "stop working" when you can't use the likes of Netflix any more.
iOS developer here. You are talking nonsense. As a developer you pick the earliest iOS version (app will not run on earlier version) and the highest version (app can’t use features of later version). If you picked ios16 to iOS18, the app will run unchanged on ios26.
 
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I wonder if we will see this new window mode available on all of the supported iPads. I have an iPad Air (4th gen) that still performs perfectly fine, but stage manager is not available for it. I have a feeling I'll get the update, but not this new mode unfortunately.
No promises, but the Windowed Apps are working on my iPad Mini 5 gen — which uses a less powerful A chip than your Air. Stage Manager is also available in Settings.
 
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iOS developer here. You are talking nonsense. As a developer you pick the earliest iOS version (app will not run on earlier version) and the highest version (app can’t use features of later version). If you picked ios16 to iOS18, the app will run unchanged on ios26.

Practically for App Store submission (as of current information): You'll likely need to target iOS 15 or later due to the requirement of using Xcode 16 and the iOS 18 SDK.

So you can't update your app and keep it compatible with anything earlier than 15 as of now. Soon 16.

A lot of hardware that could still be a decent Netflix terminal is forcefully obsoleted.
 
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Can you make north stay "up" on the map? No? For all of us who were Boy Scouts (and maybe Girl Scouts, too), keeping north up is such an obvious thing, and yet Apple refuses to allow it. It is especially important when I get in my car in a parking lot, and I can't figure out which exit Maps wants me to use, or which direction I should turn when I get to the exit. I generally know which was north is on the ground, so if I could just orient the map so north was up, I'd be fine.
 
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Can you make north stay "up" on the map? No? For all of us who were Boy Scouts (and maybe Girl Scouts, too), keeping north up is such an obvious thing, and yet Apple refuses to allow it. It is especially important when I get in my car in a parking lot, and I can't figure out which exit Maps wants me to use, or which direction I should turn when I get to the exit. I generally know which was north is on the ground, so if I could just orient the map so north was up, I'd be fine.
Apple Maps defaults to north up. When you rotate the map by hand, a compass icon appears on the top right, and clicking on it restores the orientation. The exact same behavior applies to Google Maps as well. Is this different from what you're asking for?
 
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Apple Maps defaults to north up. When you rotate the map by hand, a compass icon appears on the top right, and clicking on it restores the orientation. The exact same behavior applies to Google Maps as well. Is this different from what you're asking for?
Interesting, I hadn't seen that before. Does it happen in Apple CarPlay? I'll have to see the next time I'm out.
 
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Interesting, I hadn't seen that before. Does it happen in Apple CarPlay? I'll have to see the next time I'm out.
It happens on every iPhone that has supported map rotation since the iPhone was introduced (i.e. since the 3Gs, maybe?).

There's another button almost in the top right that looks like an arrow; assuming your issue is that the map automatically rotates as you walk around then at some point you've pressed that twice — that'll be indicated by it being a solid object pointing straight upwards with a vertical line above it. That means, at least as far as the phone is concerned, that you've gone out of your way to ask it to orient the map based on its compass.

Pressing the compass that pops up in that mode to exit, as the previous posted suggested, is probably the best solution.

GPS directions are zoomed in and 'behind' your car, as was the norm for physical GPS units and is now the norm for navigational software.
 
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No promises, but the Windowed Apps are working on my iPad Mini 5 gen — which uses a less powerful A chip than your Air. Stage Manager is also available in Settings.
I updated to the beta and it gave me the option upon setup. This is a pretty sweet new feature for an older device!
 
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Its fine to drop support for newer iOS, but companies should still make their old Apps available. I had an old iPad 3 that would have worked fine for YouTube, but Google made their older App unavailable. While You could still use YouTube in the web browser, it was cludgy. The YouTube App worked perfectly fine until they made it unavailable.

Older versions of apps that run under older iOS are generally still available from the App Store; the problem is not their availability, but their design. They may use obsolete cloud APIs, or worse (from an end-user perspective), have a baked in version check that says "Install the latest version!" even though there's no reason to require it. Combine that with a web site that forces you to the app on iOS platforms, and you're screwed. They're not going to rewrite an older version of the app just for obsolete hardware.
 
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Practically for App Store submission (as of current information): You'll likely need to target iOS 15 or later due to the requirement of using Xcode 16 and the iOS 18 SDK.

So you can't update your app and keep it compatible with anything earlier than 15 as of now. Soon 16.

A lot of hardware that could still be a decent Netflix terminal is forcefully obsoleted.

In what way? If you're a shitful developer, you can try and force upgrade users (here's looking at you Sony/Crunchyroll), but if the older app still functions, it can still be available to older versions of iOS. If it doesn't function, well, then it's shit out of luck regardless.
 
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What no one has the answer to though is millions (billions?) of vulnerable devices connected to the Internet no longer receiving any updates creating the botnet from hell.
The fraction of no longer updated iDevices among all active ones is very small.

And the 7 years of full iOS updates my XR got are pretty excellent; I'll see if I stick with it through another year of only security updates but it's been an excellent run!
 
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They could extend their support timeline they just choose not to.
The development effort for supporting very old devices accumulates and at some point the effort is just not worth it any more for the dwindling fraction of affected devices in actual use.
 
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Andrew, one thing to note, though, is that not all these models will get all the features. Lots of the new features will require Apple Intelligence which is only available on the latest devices and I am interested if all these iPads get all the new windowing features. In the Beta it seems that even the Mini 6 gets the windowing, but it also gets Stage Manager which both it and the A17 Mini do not have at present. We'll see how that finally pans out. (Although hopefully they will at least keep the windowing)
 
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Yeah they’re not secretive about which they support, just about when in future they’ll stop. And I imagine that’s just about not making promises you can’t keep.

I would like them to commit more firmly to X years after launch at a minimum though. Bit weird to have to guess how long your device is likely to have

This gives a decent idea: https://endoflife.date/iphone

Actually, the UK forced them to do this.

Apple will update iPhones for at least 5 years in rare public commitment​


https://meincmagazine.com/gadgets/202...dates-though-it-usually-releases-more-anyway/


Based on my link above, all the UK accomplished was "forcing" them to commit to less than they were already providing. Pyrrhic victory.
 
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The development effort for supporting very old devices accumulates and at some point the effort is just not worth it any more for the dwindling fraction of affected devices in actual use.
It's amazing how many people complain about various elements and effects of capitalism, but will reject any discussion or change to that system. And those that do want to change capitalism but still complain about decisions made within it make absolutely no sense.
 
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Based on my link above, all the UK accomplished was "forcing" them to commit to less than they were already providing. Pyrrhic victory.
Not really: Yes, Apple has one of the best records for this looking backwards, but this explicitly sets out for customers what future products can expect at minimum (even if Apple does continue its ~7yr flagship iPhones or ~6.5y for SEs EOL timeline as it seems to be doing).

Plus, the legislation wasn’t aimed at Apple, it was cross-industry for the identified types of client devices. Now Apple’s competitors (and other identified devices’ manufacturers) can’t walk back on their commitments either.
 
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This gives a decent idea: https://endoflife.date/iphone




Based on my link above, all the UK accomplished was "forcing" them to commit to less than they were already providing. Pyrrhic victory.
The law makers said: You must do X to comply with the laws. Before this every manufacturer said: I’ll do Y to keep customers happy and make more money through more sales.

If by chance Apple’s Y is the same or better than the required X, they have to do nothing. Good for them. If another manufacturer provided Y which was less than X they have to improve their product. Good for the customer. But it’s not a “pyrrhic victory”. It achieved exactly what it wanted to achieve.
 
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