Investigatory Powers Bill: Labour and SNP to abstain from parliamentary vote

"Mustn't sacrifice quality to meet the deadline," says shadow home secretary.

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[AndreaFaulds]

Shameful. Clearly, Labour and the SNP want these powers for themselves when they are in power, rather than taking the principled position and actually standing up for the individual.

 

[sqrt(-1)]

Please can somebody with a knowledge of parliamentry procedures explain why abstaining is better than voting against the bill?

 

[AegisPrime]

Using a VPN renders the internet records part of this totally moot and is something I hope UK Arsians will adopt in droves should this monstrosity shamble its way into law.

Then UK.gov can spunk away billions in tax-payer money on a long list of VPN gateway addresses.

sqrt(-1): it's not 'better' - they want this legislation to be passed, they just don't want to be the villains proposing it. They're spineless hypocrites.

 

[scoobie]

"Mustn't sacrifice quality to meet the deadline," says shadow home secretary.

An interesting time to reflect on the Judges comments when the original DRIPA legislation was struck down....

"The courts do not presume to tell Parliament for how long and in what detail Bills should be scrutinised, but it is right to say (to put it no higher) that legislation enacted in haste is more prone to error, and it would be highly desirable to allow the opportunity of thorough scrutiny in both Houses."

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Adm ... /2092.html

 

[scoobie]

sqrt(-1)[/url]":24jpm76v]Please can somebody with a knowledge of parliamentry procedures explain why abstaining is better than voting against the bill?

I think Labour want the new legislation, so if they vote against now, it would kill the bill off. So, by abstaining and letting it proceed they can get the bits they raised today amended, along with all the other proposed amendments that the various committees required.

 

[alewisa]

Of course Labour want it - Labour introduced the original RIPA -and SOCA - act. In 2006 the BBC carried a story that over 2000 acts of terrorism had been successfully countered under this legislation.

Of course, what was not mentioned was that those acts were in the main the heinous crimes of dog fouling, attempting to send a child to a school in a different catchment area, and exceeding ones allowance of household waste.

It transpires that these two Acts conferred rights not just to the security services, but to over 800 different 'agencies', including every local council, traffic wardens, trading standards officers, and so on.

 

[Lagrange]

It makes me feel old that I can remember those distant days when the Opposition actually opposed things. Regardless of which party is in power and whether you agree with them or not, the opposition parties are there to hold the Government to account and make them fully explain themselves when they're proposing new laws.

alewisa[/url]":fay8z909]Of course Labour want it - Labour introduced the original RIPA -and SOCA - act. In 2006 the BBC carried a story that over 2000 acts of terrorism had been successfully countered under this legislation.

Of course, what was not mentioned was that those acts were in the main the heinous crimes of dog fouling, attempting to send a child to a school in a different catchment area, and exceeding ones allowance of household waste.

It transpires that these two Acts conferred rights not just to the security services, but to over 800 different 'agencies', including every local council, traffic wardens, trading standards officers, and so on.

It's disappointing how much the BBC of all news organisations is willing to repeat police and government propaganda with almost no analysis or questioning.

We keep hearing about how useful these laws and surveillance capabilities are and how many arrests there have been but where are the successful prosecutions? Who are the dangerous terrorist masterminds being locked up rather than delusional idiots like that guy who wanted to paint door handles with cyanide he was going to extract from apple seeds! (seriously, that was the best he could come up with?)

 

[Some Idiot]

Moral cowards, hang the lot of them.

I note that my MP voted in favour of this. As a result, I will be actively campaigning for someone who isn't him. I may even run as an Independent in the next election. Because this cannot stand. The fearful are running the country like a variant of Stalinism - decrying their opposition as terorist sympathisers, and demonising those who oppose this legislation on principled grounds as pro-pedophilia.

Moral cowards. Too scared of their own fucking shadows to actually stand up and say "No."

 

[S-t-e-p-h-e-n]

May was keen to underscore what she said were clear gaps in current surveillance powers.

Why do they openly admit that there are weaknesses in their surveillance powers?

 

[sqrt(-1)]

S-t-e-p-h-e-n[/url]":1so3zcu1]

May was keen to underscore what she said were clear gaps in current surveillance powers.

Why do they openly admit that there are weaknesses in their surveillance powers?

When Teresa May says "weaknesses in their surveillance powers" she doesn't mean what the security services can do (and probably are doing every day), she means what they are legally allowed to do.

 

[Haravikk]

S-t-e-p-h-e-n[/url]":mo3uhn7m]

May was keen to underscore what she said were clear gaps in current surveillance powers.

Why do they openly admit that there are weaknesses in their surveillance powers?

By "gap" I think she really means "something we want, but don't have", which doesn't necessarily equate to a deficiency.

Looks like VPNs are going to be the new order of the day, meanwhile the government can waste money forcing ISPs to waste money.

Considering such a big focus is meant to be on cutting the deficit, the government sure does love its pointless, money wasting schemes. I was reading recently about how our supposed (nuclear) solution to all our power needs is now estimated at £24 billion, after an initial estimate of £8 billion; for the initial estimate you could build several (tens of?) thousands of 10MW wind turbines (or several different types of renewables), but that wouldn't be wasting money, so good luck getting approval for that.

 

[Ferrocene Cloud]

After being told how impractical and easily evaded it is, they carry on anyway.

May is a disgrace.

 

[GoingPostal13]

Random curl bot on standby.

 

[ChickenHawk]

Cowards.

 

[Coastwalker]

It is probably worth using a free VPN just to protest this excessive nonsense. Of course the records of a free VPN will be accessible to law enforcement but the ISP data should be irritatingly useless.