Day-old petition exceeds 1,000 signatures, follows ex-staffers' lawsuit reactions.
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Internal Activision Blizzard petition rebukes “abhorrent, insulting” leadership
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Their CEO managed to make them so incredibly profitable in spite of this toxic culture. Can we give that man another raise or bonus. $460M over 15 years is not nearly enough for the contributions he has made. Only one suicide has got to be worth something. /s
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The EPA pegs the value of human life at around $10 million, so that's still quite a profit margin. /s
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It's easier to vote with your wallet when you know what you're voting about.
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I'm always amazed at these things happening and how these men get away with it. Where I grew up if you spank a girl in the butt, you'll get a resounding slap across the face, no doubt about it. And that's what I'm planning to teach my daughters if I ever have one, just hit the bastard with whatever you have close by and then come find me, I'll take care of the rest.
Now, there's no doubt it shouldn't be a woman responsibility to deal with it and teach man how to behave. If I'm end up having boys I'll be the one beating the hell out of them if I hear of this behavior. Like, how is it the other man around this "engineer" didn't tell him to stop that and reported him to HR.
This behavior is just horrendous, and these men are the scum of the earth.
Edit: The slap in the face would come the assaulted woman, this might not be clear enough.
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As a response to your woke post here (sorry, couldn't resist), I'll just say effective legislation and enforcement works a whole lot better than boycotts. Oh, and unions, unions too.
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Aggressive discipline for kids is one extreme. A willingness to look male peers in the eye and ask, "why was that okay?" about troublesome things they suggest, or a willingness to pause and make extreme space for colleagues from historically marginalized populations in matters of disagreement or conflict, is another. Royal-you has more power and influence than you realize, and this insidious behavior doesn't immediately begin with an inappropriate touch at the workplace. The root is usually deeper and subtler.
EDIT: I pointed to this in my previous coverage, but I'm compelled to underline it and italicize it: the initial lawsuit is RICH with allegations of pay disparity. Each allegation appears to have copious receipts. That hints loudly that the state has one helluva case to open up should this move to trial, but it's also one huge point that I have in mind when I mention "insidious" behavior.
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It is so gross to watch these companies operate like a frat house; Really they have just been taking advantage of the eager young talent that is willing to be exploited and abused in order to work in the games industry. Most people (myself included) leave for greener pastures before too long, which leads to a constantly eroding office culture that just seems to get more and more toxic over time.
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To repurpose a Bill Burr bit.
"Don't you think you should leave?"
Don't you think the rapists, abusers, and creeps should leave?
You're absolutely, if not overtly then implicitly, condoning a "bad" environment. On second thought, I'm gonna un-hide this because these posts are so repetitive, and so obvious, and so fucking annoying. It's just a constant, nauseating, and banal abstraction away from victim blaming. Why don't they leave? Why don't they resign? Why don't they find a better job? Why don't they ignore it? Why don't they dress better? Why don't they stop leading guys on? Why don't they just not get raped?
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It isn't just work. We had a couple over yesterday for snacks and a bottle of wine, which turned into three as often happens, and the wife told us about the time some years ago they went to a family thing, and ran into one of her uncles who had less than a stellar reputation among the women in the family. He holds out his arms to their daughter and says "give me a hug," and the girl shies back. One of the other family members tells our friend to "make her give him a hug," and she lit into the woman saying it.
"I'm not making her hug anyone. If she doesn't want to do it, maybe there is a reason for it."
They weren't invited back, and have no regrets about that. Maybe if more parents role modeled this type of support for their daughters, these toxic cultures would start to evaporate.
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Unhooking bras?
Now I know where all the boys that never escaped pre-adolescence went to work.
Now I know where all the boys that never escaped pre-adolescence went to work.
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I know you mean well, but your attitude is kinda part of the problem here.
"come find me, I'll take care of the rest."
Telling a woman to go to a man to administer punishment... it's just all kinds of wrong.
First, it's really condescending.
Second, you are committing assault. Yeah, I'm not going to shed a lot of tears over it, but it's still illegal. There is a difference between defending yourself in the moment and beating up someone for revenge.
"If I'm end up having boys I'll be the one beating the hell out of them if I hear of this behavior"
or you could talk to them? Explain why what they did was wrong and get them to empathise with their victims and apologise. The solution to abusive behaviour is not more abusive behaviour.
Look, I get the instinct, I really do.
If I saw a dude "snapping womens undergarments"... well, that's not a joke, that's fucking assault. If that happened to a colleague, I'd be furious. If it happened to a loved one, I'd want to kill the guy responsible.
But we also need to realise that's our lizard brains talking, and most of the time, we really shouldn't be listening to them.
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I’ll file this next to its equally stupid cousins:
“Your water fountain is on the side of the building.”
“If you don’t like the war we are conducting, leave this country.”
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This is all horrible.
If one of my coworkers unhooked my bra I would bludgeon him with the nearest object and to hell with the consequences. It makes me realize that I have a lot of privilege. I don't have much in the way of money or savings, but I've got a great family. I could live in someone's basement if I needed to if I got fired for protecting myself. But a lot of people don't have any safety net and have to put up with that kind of shit to keep food on the table.
If one of my coworkers unhooked my bra I would bludgeon him with the nearest object and to hell with the consequences. It makes me realize that I have a lot of privilege. I don't have much in the way of money or savings, but I've got a great family. I could live in someone's basement if I needed to if I got fired for protecting myself. But a lot of people don't have any safety net and have to put up with that kind of shit to keep food on the table.
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"tell me you don't understand statistics without saying you don't understand statistics."
questions to ask yourself:
a) are the employees of a companies a representative sample of the population?
b) is there a better denominator for comparison than "population of the USA"?
c) what are the instigating factors for the suicide? broadly, are suicides preventable? if they are, is it acceptable even if some subpopulation has comparable numbers to an arbitrary baseline?
d) are the allegations talking about all suicides that may have occurred at Activision Blizzard, or is it talking about a particular suicide that is special in some way, perhaps related to the nature of the lawsuit?
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Office Space’s Michael Bolton (no relation) succinctly phrased this as “Why should I change it? He’s the one who sucks.”
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I bet the suicide rate among "educated people working at a secure, white-collar, well-paying, well-respected job" is far far faaaaar lower than 1.4 per 10k per year.
Edit: A bit of data: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/23/us-suic ... finds.html
Women in general are 0.77 per 10k per year, so about half that of men. Difficult to get a deeper breakdown though.
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So if you're walking down a dark alley and I stab you with a knife, is it retroactively your fault because you could have taken a different route?
Stop being so dense. This is victim blaming, pure and simple.
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I think you dropped this: /s.
Given that many people actually believe this terrible argument, satire doesn't work so well. And there are genuinely lots of people saying that people should just leave if it's so bad. Heaven forbid anyone attempt to fix things or make them better.
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So the victim should suffer economically or STFU?!? Wow what an enlightened worldview you have.
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Culture at most large game studios and publishers in past, and even now continues to be extremely toxic. Take example of Ubisoft[1].
No doubt this culture is festered by the thinking that games are for males and made by males. Even if this thinking is changing slowly (thanks to indie developers mostly) - it is not changing fast enough. We seriously need to think what kind of content is a game promoting and what kind of people are behind the game. I stopped buying Activision games after the WoW/CoD crunch incidents, and I don't care how good the next CoD is, if it is made on crushed dreams and exhausting/inhumane toxic culture, they can keep the game to themselves. I know this won't change anything, but that's the least I can do.
(Other than discussing about such culture with other gamers, something which we don't often do.)
This is west, and now I'm just scared of even thinking about the horrors at Asia, specifically Japan which is known for a patriarchal toxic work culture.
1 - https://www.engadget.com/ubisoft-harass ... 31367.html
No doubt this culture is festered by the thinking that games are for males and made by males. Even if this thinking is changing slowly (thanks to indie developers mostly) - it is not changing fast enough. We seriously need to think what kind of content is a game promoting and what kind of people are behind the game. I stopped buying Activision games after the WoW/CoD crunch incidents, and I don't care how good the next CoD is, if it is made on crushed dreams and exhausting/inhumane toxic culture, they can keep the game to themselves. I know this won't change anything, but that's the least I can do.
(Other than discussing about such culture with other gamers, something which we don't often do.)
This is west, and now I'm just scared of even thinking about the horrors at Asia, specifically Japan which is known for a patriarchal toxic work culture.
1 - https://www.engadget.com/ubisoft-harass ... 31367.html
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You probably want to be careful drawing conclusions about that. That article is almost certainly referencing this data from the CDC, that breaks profession down into 22 groups. There is so much room for variation in "computer and mathematics" that it's distinctly possible that game developers are far higher than even construction workers.
You might not be making the point you think you are, there just isn't enough info there.
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I'm extremely fortunate to have had parents that taught their children to respect others, and to be particularly mindful of how a woman will perceive the words and actions of a man. I'm naturally non-confrontational, so it's hard for me to call out this kind of behavior publicly.
But I've learned.
Refusing to quietly accept misogynistic behavior or racism or homophobia is the only way this garbage is going to end. That's not virtue signaling or being "woke", it's simply being a decent human being. I'm both sad and angry that this is happening in the USA in the 21st century.
But I've learned.
Refusing to quietly accept misogynistic behavior or racism or homophobia is the only way this garbage is going to end. That's not virtue signaling or being "woke", it's simply being a decent human being. I'm both sad and angry that this is happening in the USA in the 21st century.
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