Here’s Volvo’s new EX60 $60,000 electric midsize SUV

I LOL'd hard, thank you 🤣

We have a 2025 Ioniq 5 "Limited" AWD that is currently in the shop for the second time in ~3100 miles, this time for the infamous "ICCU" failure. (First time was because the factory-supplied EVSE/charger was defective... :rolleyes: ). Note that the car has ~3100 miles total on it, and it is now very close to if not beyond the required amount of time for "lemon law" in our state (30 days).

Wife is trying to decide if she has any confidence left in the thing after the ICCU repair is done, or if she wants to try to lemon law it. My point to her was, "what else would you want instead?" She really loves the Ioniq5 despite the problems... but the whole ICCU thing is ridiculous because even after it has been fixed there is no guarantee it won't fail again (they have not revised/improved the failing part). She's only about 6 months into a 3 year lease.

The "mid-tier" EX60 seems like it might be a solid option, although I expect it will cost more than the I5, especially since I assume all of the US incentives for EVs are long gone by the time it releases...
Getting v0.1 of a $60k chinese-swedish EV does not really sound like a logical resolution coming off a lemon Hyundai. If it were me I'd go buy something that's had every possible problem shaken out of it, like an off-lease Bolt.
 
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Probably not any time soon. Extra wiring , resistors and heat exchangers all add weight. Locomotive don't care ( what's an extra ton to a train?) but all the people scoffing at anything less than 300 mile range figures certainly do.
Particularly because, if it's an emergency situation, you're probably still going to need those huge friction brakes to bring 3 tonnes to a stop anyhow.
 
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With EVs it is definitely easy to put the motor in the back. I own a BMW i3 with RWD and the motor in the back and it is by far the worst vehicle in snow that I have owned since the advent of ABS. With all-season tires it could not make it up our slightly sloped driveway in the snow, so I now put on snow tires every winter. My FWD 2017 Nissan Leaf drove well enough in the snow with just all-season tires that I never got it snow tires. I have a friend with a RWD Model 3 who says it is fine in the snow, but he also uses snow tires. We live in Colorado.
A 2017 Leaf weighs around 700lb more than an i3. I assume that's most of the difference.
 
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It's already available in some European configurators and it costs the same if not a bit more than the iX3 / GLC at the P12 AWD level for comparable battery size and performance.

So I might be able to get within the lease budget without a single option, assuming they're offering some discounts similar to BMW/MB. But I can't really say I particularly like anything about this car. I guess the steering wheel is less stupid than the BMW's and the grille less gaudy than MB's.
 
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Getting v0.1 of a $60k chinese-swedish EV does not really sound like a logical resolution coming off a lemon Hyundai. If it were me I'd go buy something that's had every possible problem shaken out of it, like an off-lease Bolt.
Used iX. Used iX, used iX, used iX. For <$50k it's like riding around on the bridge of the Enterprise D
 
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Not nearly as easy as that sounds. -1 or -2 sizing for tires is easy, but shrinking wheels without causing interference can get pretty tricky. Even keeping the backspacing and wheel width the same won't guarantee the spokes won't scrape the calipers.
It's really not that hard.

Choose smallest rim that clears your internals,
Now choose tyre size that gets you closest to stock rolling diameter (if this is news to you, don't break this rule),
Ensure your new rims offset and width work (again, if you have to ask, don't f*** with stock)

What's hard is winning the lug-lotto (If your lug pattern is popular, you will have no issues, if it's uncommon.... good luck fam)
 
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Broromir

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I LOL'd hard, thank you 🤣

We have a 2025 Ioniq 5 "Limited" AWD that is currently in the shop for the second time in ~3100 miles, this time for the infamous "ICCU" failure. (First time was because the factory-supplied EVSE/charger was defective... :rolleyes: ). Note that the car has ~3100 miles total on it, and it is now very close to if not beyond the required amount of time for "lemon law" in our state (30 days).

Wife is trying to decide if she has any confidence left in the thing after the ICCU repair is done, or if she wants to try to lemon law it. My point to her was, "what else would you want instead?" She really loves the Ioniq5 despite the problems... but the whole ICCU thing is ridiculous because even after it has been fixed there is no guarantee it won't fail again (they have not revised/improved the failing part). She's only about 6 months into a 3 year lease.

The "mid-tier" EX60 seems like it might be a solid option, although I expect it will cost more than the I5, especially since I assume all of the US incentives for EVs are long gone by the time it releases...
Look at preowned BMW iX, I think you and your wife will like them a lot. maybe preowned Lyriq although that one is a bit less spirited than the Ioniq5.
 
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Then it sounds like there's a reason for the size of the wheels, you're telling me.
Smaller wheels do make it harder to fit bigger brakes, and not all suspension geometry will play nice with all wheel sizes.

Having said that, most new vehicles (and especially higher end ones) opt for too-large wheels for aesthetic reasons, not practical ones.
 
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Volvo is arguably Chinese because they are mostly owned by Geely and are using Geely-derived platforms.
I personally think some more nuance should be given in these modern times with a global economy - when the company is still headquartered in Sweden, board of directors are all European, all the C-level executives and top designers are Swedish/European, and even the car in question is built a Swedish based factory - I think consider it mostly a Swedish/European car company since virtually all major decisions are made by Europeans and many design/implementation are also done by Europeans (while some parts and work is done by other nationals) and they must meet most European labor/environmental/privacy practices.

This isn't like the Saab 9-7X or “Saabaru” 9-2X when Saab (originally also a Swedish car company) owned by GM where the car in question is unrecognizable given the heritage/legacy of the company.

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Volvo isn't arguably Chinese because they build most of their cars in China (no one thinks Tesla is Chinese, even if we wish it wasn't American).
Does that make Tesla a South African company since the CEO and Chairman was born/raised in South Africa (and still has citizenship along with Canadian/US citizenship) and his South African brother is a board member and as such the majority of money, decisons come from someone not born in the US?
 
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It's really not that hard.

Choose smallest rim that clears your internals,
Now choose tyre size that gets you closest to stock rolling diameter (if this is news to you, don't break this rule),
Ensure your new rims offset and width work (again, if you have to ask, don't f*** with stock)

What's hard is winning the lug-lotto (If your lug pattern is popular, you will have no issues, if it's uncommon.... good luck fam)
You basically just restated what I said in a more dickish tone, save for the comment about lug-patterns. "if you have to ask, don't f*** with stock" is not how you learn. Knowledge isn't gained by osmosis. If you want to do something you don't already know how to do, I encourage you to search for that knowledge, find articles, find guides, and ask people that know rather than act like not already knowing is a barrier to learning. Most importantly, ignore internet dickheads that would rather belittle you than help you. That's how I learned how to rip the transmission out of my car to replace the clutch, how I figured out how to rewire the tail lights in the Tacoma I used to have so that I could have amber turn signals and brake lights that didn't suck, how I built a Home Automation system using Home Assistant instead of just getting some basic cookie cutter cloud-based bullshit, how I built under/over cabinet lights in my kitchen, how I built this gaming rig (I mean, I already knew how. The research was for parts selection), how I figured out how to design, 3D model, and fabricate a switchbox and cargo mounting plates for my motorcycle and a shit ton of other things I had to ask about before I fucked with it. Hell, I pretty much modify everything I own and, in the case of this rent-house we're in for a couple years, even some things I don't. In this case, look for guides that walk you through how to measure wheel clearances. At the vary least people can get a better idea of what is possible before they go talk to a tire shop.
 
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Used iX. Used iX, used iX, used iX. For <$50k it's like riding around on the bridge of the Enterprise D
Look at preowned BMW iX, I think you and your wife will like them a lot. maybe preowned Lyriq although that one is a bit less spirited than the Ioniq5.
The problem with the iX is that it looks like this:
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Eww.
 
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Yeah I don't, at a glance, see why one would choose this over the BMW iX3.
Given that the iX3 has very similar specs, and design at a similar price point, I suspect it will come down to just some people preferring Volvo and their interior design aesthetic, and others preferring BMW's. I like both, although BMW's recent infotainment systems have been a little glitchy in the cars I've rented (X2, X2 gas engine models).
 
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Getting v0.1 of a $60k chinese-swedish EV does not really sound like a logical resolution coming off a lemon Hyundai. If it were me I'd go buy something that's had every possible problem shaken out of it, like an off-lease Bolt.
I take your overall point, but zero people are cross-shopping an EX60 and a Bolt.
 
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I watched the launch event and was pleasantly surprised. Would have loved it if it would have been 10cm less wide. As it turns out, European streets and parking garages don’t actually change size to accommodate the ever wider cars being produced.

That and the door handles. Why not just having regular door handles? My Tesla model 3 can be almost impossible to open when it’s freezing outside. Ironically that one feels a bit like a car for snowflakes, which can’t handle a couple of snowflakes.
 
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I hope they've significantly improved the software. We have a 2021 XC40 and while it's great to drive the "infotainment" system is chock full of annoying bugs.
100%
Buggy, laggy, crashes; just generally crappy software and console. Push bluetooth and get radio...wtf?
Also, I'll never, so long as I can help it, get any car that doesn't have physical controls for the airco and fan. Their over-use of soft controls to save money just makes it awful, especially because it can take your eyes off the road to adjust the damned fan.
 
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Any indication if they are going to do factory delivery for the EX60?

Did that with my XC in 2021 and it was a great way to enjoy a visit to Scandinavia. I seem to recall they were not offering factory delivery for the initial run of EX90s when they came out because of the charging differences; interested to hear if they sorted that out.
 
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Afaik there’s no European delivery for any US-bound EV because you can’t charge a CCS1 or NACS car in Europe.
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Not bad from the spec sheets but nothing that really stands out. ~18 minute 10-80 isn't bad but it's certainly not class leading and not keeping up with what some Chinese brands are offering. Efficiency based on the EPA cycle is ~3.9 miles per kWh. Again not bad but not class leading. Hard to compare on value to other similar EVs until we get more details on what "around 60k" means and what "really well-equipped" means. Nothing wrong with it per se but also nothing that immediately seems exciting either.
Yeah I don’t know why no one talks about efficiency for EVs. I get that charging times and range are interesting, but efficiency always needs to be discussed. MPG is one of the most considered features of an ICE. It has to do with how much money you will spend. Electricity is not free like some might imply.
 
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I mostly like it, as the non-cross country version is probably as close to a wagon EV as the US is going to get, but I still really want physical buttons for climate control. From the official Volvo website: https://www.volvocars.com/us/cars/ex60-electric/technology/

Volvo...that's not what muscle memory means. It's not about lack of searching. It's about keeping my eyes on the road. If it's still a touch screen, muscle memory does me no good. I can't find the button by feel without looking because I know where it is, and then touch it.

So far that’s the biggest downside to my V60 Cross Country: the climate control is all on the touchscreen and I still have to hunt and peck. I’ve found that using the Google Assistant is a mostly safer alternative, but it seems like a solution to an already solved problem.
 
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Does that make Tesla a South African company since the CEO and Chairman was born/raised in South Africa (and still has citizenship along with Canadian/US citizenship) and his South African brother is a board member and as such the majority of money, decisons come from someone not born in the US?
That would explain a lot.
 
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Yeah I don’t know why no one talks about efficiency for EVs. I get that charging times and range are interesting, but efficiency always needs to be discussed. MPG is one of the most considered features of an ICE. It has to do with how much money you will spend. Electricity is not free like some might imply.
People do talk about it.

The differences just aren't as significant as with ICE, as you have a huge range of drivetrains from N/A I3 to twin-turbo V12 with manuals, CVT and auto transmissions.

There was a bit more of a difference earlier on but now a similar class of EV vehicle is going to be within like 10% or so.
 
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Great looking exterior but JFC what a hideous, driver-hostile interior! Strong competition against the bottom of the barrel leader in bland interiors - Tesla.

I remember when Volvo used to make drool-worthy interiors. You would expect premium vehicles to have more buttons, not fewer, yet enshittification marches on in the endless pursuit of cost-cutting.

For this reason alone I wouldn't touch it, regardless how many hundreds of hp or miles of range it has.
 
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Volvo is headquartered in Sweden. It’s listed on the Stockholm stock exchange. It’s a Swedish company. Like many other corporations it produces products worldwide. Apple is not Chinese because it produces some products in China. Don’t overthink this.
Apple is not nor has been owned by China. Not sure the relevance?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_Cars

This is not a negative, china making great cars. EX60 is high on my list, much higher than fascist tesla or rivian, or risk some jank engineering like a german car.
 
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Can we please stop with the unavoidable masturbatory huge wheels that reduce range, reduce ride quality, reduce durability, and increase tire replacement costs? Please just give me 18" aero wheels. I'm not trying to get laid. I'm trying to get to my destination.
I have Obligatory Large Wheels on my car and I have not noticed any particular benefit in terms of getting laid, either.

It may be that other factors are dominating.
 
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I LOL'd hard, thank you 🤣

We have a 2025 Ioniq 5 "Limited" AWD that is currently in the shop for the second time in ~3100 miles, this time for the infamous "ICCU" failure. (First time was because the factory-supplied EVSE/charger was defective... :rolleyes: ). Note that the car has ~3100 miles total on it, and it is now very close to if not beyond the required amount of time for "lemon law" in our state (30 days).

Wife is trying to decide if she has any confidence left in the thing after the ICCU repair is done, or if she wants to try to lemon law it. My point to her was, "what else would you want instead?" She really loves the Ioniq5 despite the problems... but the whole ICCU thing is ridiculous because even after it has been fixed there is no guarantee it won't fail again (they have not revised/improved the failing part). She's only about 6 months into a 3 year lease.

The "mid-tier" EX60 seems like it might be a solid option, although I expect it will cost more than the I5, especially since I assume all of the US incentives for EVs are long gone by the time it releases...
If an alternative experience is any help, my 2023 Ioniq 5 Limited AWD just hit 20k miles (bought it used at 9k) and I have had no unexpected issues. I replaced the OEM 12v battery late last year, but it was probably close to its expected life anyway. I love the car.
 
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Volvo HQ is in Sweden, its C-level executives are primarily European, and looking it up EX60 the EX60 is made in the Torslanda, Gothenburg Sweden factory (unlike the iX3 which is apparently made in a Hungary factory).
Is Audi their own company? Not VW? ...No, Audi is a VW company because owned by VW and using their parts bin.

Just liked Volvo is 80% owned by China and uses chinese parts bin.

The EX60 uses high-nickel battery chemistry, with two of the smaller batteries, 80 kWh and 91 kWh (usable), coming from Chinese battery maker Sunwod
https://insideevs.com/news/785084/2027-volvo-ex60-cell-to-body-battery-design/

 
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If an alternative experience is any help, my 2023 Ioniq 5 Limited AWD just hit 20k miles (bought it used at 9k) and I have had no unexpected issues. I replaced the OEM 12v battery late last year, but it was probably close to its expected life anyway. I love the car.
Haven't had to do anything but rotate the tires on my 2025 SEL RWD so far (just hit 10K in about 9 months). I've been driving it a lot more than I ever drove the Camry (still have that, it's just my wife drives it to work now and that's about it).
 
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Can we please stop with the unavoidable masturbatory huge wheels that reduce range, reduce ride quality, reduce durability, and increase tire replacement costs? Please just give me 18" aero wheels. I'm not trying to get laid. I'm trying to get to my destination.
No one takes photos of vehicles with small wheels, they look terrible. Doesn't mean they won't offer them though.
 
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