Getting v0.1 of a $60k chinese-swedish EV does not really sound like a logical resolution coming off a lemon Hyundai. If it were me I'd go buy something that's had every possible problem shaken out of it, like an off-lease Bolt.I LOL'd hard, thank you
We have a 2025 Ioniq 5 "Limited" AWD that is currently in the shop for the second time in ~3100 miles, this time for the infamous "ICCU" failure. (First time was because the factory-supplied EVSE/charger was defective...). Note that the car has ~3100 miles total on it, and it is now very close to if not beyond the required amount of time for "lemon law" in our state (30 days).
Wife is trying to decide if she has any confidence left in the thing after the ICCU repair is done, or if she wants to try to lemon law it. My point to her was, "what else would you want instead?" She really loves the Ioniq5 despite the problems... but the whole ICCU thing is ridiculous because even after it has been fixed there is no guarantee it won't fail again (they have not revised/improved the failing part). She's only about 6 months into a 3 year lease.
The "mid-tier" EX60 seems like it might be a solid option, although I expect it will cost more than the I5, especially since I assume all of the US incentives for EVs are long gone by the time it releases...
Particularly because, if it's an emergency situation, you're probably still going to need those huge friction brakes to bring 3 tonnes to a stop anyhow.Probably not any time soon. Extra wiring , resistors and heat exchangers all add weight. Locomotive don't care ( what's an extra ton to a train?) but all the people scoffing at anything less than 300 mile range figures certainly do.
A 2017 Leaf weighs around 700lb more than an i3. I assume that's most of the difference.With EVs it is definitely easy to put the motor in the back. I own a BMW i3 with RWD and the motor in the back and it is by far the worst vehicle in snow that I have owned since the advent of ABS. With all-season tires it could not make it up our slightly sloped driveway in the snow, so I now put on snow tires every winter. My FWD 2017 Nissan Leaf drove well enough in the snow with just all-season tires that I never got it snow tires. I have a friend with a RWD Model 3 who says it is fine in the snow, but he also uses snow tires. We live in Colorado.
Used iX. Used iX, used iX, used iX. For <$50k it's like riding around on the bridge of the Enterprise DGetting v0.1 of a $60k chinese-swedish EV does not really sound like a logical resolution coming off a lemon Hyundai. If it were me I'd go buy something that's had every possible problem shaken out of it, like an off-lease Bolt.
It's really not that hard.Not nearly as easy as that sounds. -1 or -2 sizing for tires is easy, but shrinking wheels without causing interference can get pretty tricky. Even keeping the backspacing and wheel width the same won't guarantee the spokes won't scrape the calipers.
Look at preowned BMW iX, I think you and your wife will like them a lot. maybe preowned Lyriq although that one is a bit less spirited than the Ioniq5.I LOL'd hard, thank you
We have a 2025 Ioniq 5 "Limited" AWD that is currently in the shop for the second time in ~3100 miles, this time for the infamous "ICCU" failure. (First time was because the factory-supplied EVSE/charger was defective...). Note that the car has ~3100 miles total on it, and it is now very close to if not beyond the required amount of time for "lemon law" in our state (30 days).
Wife is trying to decide if she has any confidence left in the thing after the ICCU repair is done, or if she wants to try to lemon law it. My point to her was, "what else would you want instead?" She really loves the Ioniq5 despite the problems... but the whole ICCU thing is ridiculous because even after it has been fixed there is no guarantee it won't fail again (they have not revised/improved the failing part). She's only about 6 months into a 3 year lease.
The "mid-tier" EX60 seems like it might be a solid option, although I expect it will cost more than the I5, especially since I assume all of the US incentives for EVs are long gone by the time it releases...
Volvo HQ is in Sweden, its C-level executives are primarily European, and looking it up EX60 the EX60 is made in the Torslanda, Gothenburg Sweden factory (unlike the iX3 which is apparently made in a Hungary factory).I mean, if the EX60 is Swedish, that makes the iX3 Hungarian, no? If the iX3 is German, then the EX60 is Chinese…
Smaller wheels do make it harder to fit bigger brakes, and not all suspension geometry will play nice with all wheel sizes.Then it sounds like there's a reason for the size of the wheels, you're telling me.
I personally think some more nuance should be given in these modern times with a global economy - when the company is still headquartered in Sweden, board of directors are all European, all the C-level executives and top designers are Swedish/European, and even the car in question is built a Swedish based factory - I think consider it mostly a Swedish/European car company since virtually all major decisions are made by Europeans and many design/implementation are also done by Europeans (while some parts and work is done by other nationals) and they must meet most European labor/environmental/privacy practices.Volvo is arguably Chinese because they are mostly owned by Geely and are using Geely-derived platforms.
Does that make Tesla a South African company since the CEO and Chairman was born/raised in South Africa (and still has citizenship along with Canadian/US citizenship) and his South African brother is a board member and as such the majority of money, decisons come from someone not born in the US?Volvo isn't arguably Chinese because they build most of their cars in China (no one thinks Tesla is Chinese, even if we wish it wasn't American).
You basically just restated what I said in a more dickish tone, save for the comment about lug-patterns. "if you have to ask, don't f*** with stock" is not how you learn. Knowledge isn't gained by osmosis. If you want to do something you don't already know how to do, I encourage you to search for that knowledge, find articles, find guides, and ask people that know rather than act like not already knowing is a barrier to learning. Most importantly, ignore internet dickheads that would rather belittle you than help you. That's how I learned how to rip the transmission out of my car to replace the clutch, how I figured out how to rewire the tail lights in the Tacoma I used to have so that I could have amber turn signals and brake lights that didn't suck, how I built a Home Automation system using Home Assistant instead of just getting some basic cookie cutter cloud-based bullshit, how I built under/over cabinet lights in my kitchen, how I built this gaming rig (I mean, I already knew how. The research was for parts selection), how I figured out how to design, 3D model, and fabricate a switchbox and cargo mounting plates for my motorcycle and a shit ton of other things I had to ask about before I fucked with it. Hell, I pretty much modify everything I own and, in the case of this rent-house we're in for a couple years, even some things I don't. In this case, look for guides that walk you through how to measure wheel clearances. At the vary least people can get a better idea of what is possible before they go talk to a tire shop.It's really not that hard.
Choose smallest rim that clears your internals,
Now choose tyre size that gets you closest to stock rolling diameter (if this is news to you, don't break this rule),
Ensure your new rims offset and width work (again, if you have to ask, don't f*** with stock)
What's hard is winning the lug-lotto (If your lug pattern is popular, you will have no issues, if it's uncommon.... good luck fam)
Used iX. Used iX, used iX, used iX. For <$50k it's like riding around on the bridge of the Enterprise D
The problem with the iX is that it looks like this:Look at preowned BMW iX, I think you and your wife will like them a lot. maybe preowned Lyriq although that one is a bit less spirited than the Ioniq5.
Given that the iX3 has very similar specs, and design at a similar price point, I suspect it will come down to just some people preferring Volvo and their interior design aesthetic, and others preferring BMW's. I like both, although BMW's recent infotainment systems have been a little glitchy in the cars I've rented (X2, X2 gas engine models).Yeah I don't, at a glance, see why one would choose this over the BMW iX3.
I take your overall point, but zero people are cross-shopping an EX60 and a Bolt.Getting v0.1 of a $60k chinese-swedish EV does not really sound like a logical resolution coming off a lemon Hyundai. If it were me I'd go buy something that's had every possible problem shaken out of it, like an off-lease Bolt.
I can give you one reason: I far prefer the looks of this one over the iX3.Yeah I don't, at a glance, see why one would choose this over the BMW iX3.
100%I hope they've significantly improved the software. We have a 2021 XC40 and while it's great to drive the "infotainment" system is chock full of annoying bugs.
Yeah I don’t know why no one talks about efficiency for EVs. I get that charging times and range are interesting, but efficiency always needs to be discussed. MPG is one of the most considered features of an ICE. It has to do with how much money you will spend. Electricity is not free like some might imply.Not bad from the spec sheets but nothing that really stands out. ~18 minute 10-80 isn't bad but it's certainly not class leading and not keeping up with what some Chinese brands are offering. Efficiency based on the EPA cycle is ~3.9 miles per kWh. Again not bad but not class leading. Hard to compare on value to other similar EVs until we get more details on what "around 60k" means and what "really well-equipped" means. Nothing wrong with it per se but also nothing that immediately seems exciting either.
Do you mean Austin?I feel like we have come full circle when the wheel is copied from MG. As in the old MG, although the new MG also uses them.
I mostly like it, as the non-cross country version is probably as close to a wagon EV as the US is going to get, but I still really want physical buttons for climate control. From the official Volvo website: https://www.volvocars.com/us/cars/ex60-electric/technology/
Volvo...that's not what muscle memory means. It's not about lack of searching. It's about keeping my eyes on the road. If it's still a touch screen, muscle memory does me no good. I can't find the button by feel without looking because I know where it is, and then touch it.
can't see it from behind the wheel lol
That would explain a lot.Does that make Tesla a South African company since the CEO and Chairman was born/raised in South Africa (and still has citizenship along with Canadian/US citizenship) and his South African brother is a board member and as such the majority of money, decisons come from someone not born in the US?
I assume that regen is more efficient from front wheels, right?A: not a traction liability, that’s what traction control and throttle maps are for.
B: rear-drive is more efficient, and mimimizing losses are more important for an EV since batteries weigh so much.
People do talk about it.Yeah I don’t know why no one talks about efficiency for EVs. I get that charging times and range are interesting, but efficiency always needs to be discussed. MPG is one of the most considered features of an ICE. It has to do with how much money you will spend. Electricity is not free like some might imply.
Apple is not nor has been owned by China. Not sure the relevance?Volvo is headquartered in Sweden. It’s listed on the Stockholm stock exchange. It’s a Swedish company. Like many other corporations it produces products worldwide. Apple is not Chinese because it produces some products in China. Don’t overthink this.
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I have Obligatory Large Wheels on my car and I have not noticed any particular benefit in terms of getting laid, either.Can we please stop with the unavoidable masturbatory huge wheels that reduce range, reduce ride quality, reduce durability, and increase tire replacement costs? Please just give me 18" aero wheels. I'm not trying to get laid. I'm trying to get to my destination.
If an alternative experience is any help, my 2023 Ioniq 5 Limited AWD just hit 20k miles (bought it used at 9k) and I have had no unexpected issues. I replaced the OEM 12v battery late last year, but it was probably close to its expected life anyway. I love the car.I LOL'd hard, thank you
We have a 2025 Ioniq 5 "Limited" AWD that is currently in the shop for the second time in ~3100 miles, this time for the infamous "ICCU" failure. (First time was because the factory-supplied EVSE/charger was defective...). Note that the car has ~3100 miles total on it, and it is now very close to if not beyond the required amount of time for "lemon law" in our state (30 days).
Wife is trying to decide if she has any confidence left in the thing after the ICCU repair is done, or if she wants to try to lemon law it. My point to her was, "what else would you want instead?" She really loves the Ioniq5 despite the problems... but the whole ICCU thing is ridiculous because even after it has been fixed there is no guarantee it won't fail again (they have not revised/improved the failing part). She's only about 6 months into a 3 year lease.
The "mid-tier" EX60 seems like it might be a solid option, although I expect it will cost more than the I5, especially since I assume all of the US incentives for EVs are long gone by the time it releases...
Is Audi their own company? Not VW? ...No, Audi is a VW company because owned by VW and using their parts bin.Volvo HQ is in Sweden, its C-level executives are primarily European, and looking it up EX60 the EX60 is made in the Torslanda, Gothenburg Sweden factory (unlike the iX3 which is apparently made in a Hungary factory).
https://insideevs.com/news/785084/2027-volvo-ex60-cell-to-body-battery-design/The EX60 uses high-nickel battery chemistry, with two of the smaller batteries, 80 kWh and 91 kWh (usable), coming from Chinese battery maker Sunwod
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Haven't had to do anything but rotate the tires on my 2025 SEL RWD so far (just hit 10K in about 9 months). I've been driving it a lot more than I ever drove the Camry (still have that, it's just my wife drives it to work now and that's about it).If an alternative experience is any help, my 2023 Ioniq 5 Limited AWD just hit 20k miles (bought it used at 9k) and I have had no unexpected issues. I replaced the OEM 12v battery late last year, but it was probably close to its expected life anyway. I love the car.
True... but I still have to walk up to it twice a day. I won't buy a vehicle that makes me cringe when I see it first thing in the morning or when I'm leaving work. I don't care what the spec sheet says about it.can't see it from behind the wheel lol
Rolled a 1 for Charisma, lol? /jkI have Obligatory Large Wheels on my car and I have not noticed any particular benefit in terms of getting laid, either.
It may be that other factors are dominating.
No one takes photos of vehicles with small wheels, they look terrible. Doesn't mean they won't offer them though.Can we please stop with the unavoidable masturbatory huge wheels that reduce range, reduce ride quality, reduce durability, and increase tire replacement costs? Please just give me 18" aero wheels. I'm not trying to get laid. I'm trying to get to my destination.