Yup, that's what has me surprised the most. It's like all the other stuff was fine, but this is where we draw the line? I mean, I'm not expecting much, but always open to be pleasantly surprised. There's basically no downsides at this point. Worst case we find out Keanu Reeves or insert anyone else who is universally loved is on the list and it just reinforces the belief that if they're someone famous they probably aren't good people.
Epstein client list, does it exist or not?
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Yup, that's what has me surprised the most. It's like all the other stuff was fine, but this is where we draw the line? I mean, I'm not expecting much, but always open to be pleasantly surprised. There's basically no downsides at this point. Worst case we find out Keanu Reeves or insert anyone else who is universally loved is on the list and it just reinforces the belief that if they're someone famous they probably aren't good people.
Well, we got the super gross letter:
Link (WSJ original link)
It’s somehow more gross than what I imagined, which seems to be a common refrain.
Link (WSJ original link)
It’s somehow more gross than what I imagined, which seems to be a common refrain.
The entire book is just a compilation of code-words for awful behavior. It's absolutely sickening.
I mean, obviously it's all just a big misunderstanding. That's not an armless, prepubescent torso with Trump's signature for pubic hair.
It's a person lying facedown on a massage table with their arms dangling down toward the floor, the breasts are actually the scapula, and Donald Trump's signature is an homage to the fact that he sh*ts himself.
It's a person lying facedown on a massage table with their arms dangling down toward the floor, the breasts are actually the scapula, and Donald Trump's signature is an homage to the fact that he sh*ts himself.
The barely pubescent breasts in the drawing magnify the disgust I feel. I need another shower when I showered only two hours ago.
I feel like these releases are like when you parent asked you a question...You knew they had the answer already, but at the same time, you still denied it.
They ask about the letter, fake, blah blah, then they release the letter...
How much longer is this going to take. I mean, damn, the letter, the signature, the denial, ad naus.
And any chance the large check and payment 22.5k could have been for Melania? Would explain why she can't/won't leave.
They ask about the letter, fake, blah blah, then they release the letter...
How much longer is this going to take. I mean, damn, the letter, the signature, the denial, ad naus.
And any chance the large check and payment 22.5k could have been for Melania? Would explain why she can't/won't leave.
The problem is the Republicans. They've gotten a good enough look at what's in the DOJ files to know it's going to damage Trump, and them. This birthday letter was released by House Democrats, it wouldn't have seen the light of day if left to Republicans.
Democrats on the Oversight Committee released the picture book for Epstein’s 50th:
Full set of documents can be found here, minus Rep. Comer’s pedo defense statement.
Full set of documents can be found here, minus Rep. Comer’s pedo defense statement.
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This one is disturbing and doesn't leave much to the imagination. BTW, that house in the background is clearly Mar a Lago.
I think we're pretty deep into "Why not both?" territory here. Because clearly nothing is too depraved for Trump and Epstein.
Is it a joke about sex trafficking or is it actual sex trafficking? Does it matter?
Oh, it’s both. Anyone with a cursory understanding of their history knows he’s fully involved. When you live a consequence free life, you feel confident to openly joke about crimes.
In a Fox article clearly designed to shift attention from Trump to Bill Clinton, they actually included an interesting tidbit from Alan Dershowitz, Epstein's former lawyer and a frequent Fox News contributor. An entry in Epstein's birthday book from Dershowitz:
It was a joke, but it also kind of gives away the game. Obviously Trump is no where in that conversation which was about shifting attention from Epstein himself to Clinton... but for Fox to put it in the very article where they are very clearly trying to shift attention from Trump to Clinton is just shameless, especially since Fox frequently gives Dershowitz a platform.
The sickest part of all is that Fox and the Wall Street Journal (who originally broke the letter story) are owned by the same guy. Could it be any more obvious that he profits from sowing division? I mean that's nearly as transparent as all the attempts to shift blame to Clinton.
It was a joke, but it also kind of gives away the game. Obviously Trump is no where in that conversation which was about shifting attention from Epstein himself to Clinton... but for Fox to put it in the very article where they are very clearly trying to shift attention from Trump to Clinton is just shameless, especially since Fox frequently gives Dershowitz a platform.
The sickest part of all is that Fox and the Wall Street Journal (who originally broke the letter story) are owned by the same guy. Could it be any more obvious that he profits from sowing division? I mean that's nearly as transparent as all the attempts to shift blame to Clinton.
The Atlantic put out a piece on it, You Really Need to See Epstein’s Birthday Book for Yourself:
I’ve heard the rumors of Myhrvold, who did some fancy photographed cookbooks or something at one point. Clearly, he’s full of shit in his denials.
People should read the article as it gives a good synopsis of the documents and the reaction to it thus far.
And former Washington Post’s cartoonist, Ann Telnaes, summed things up rather well (not sure where she posts her material directly, so linking to where I found it):
I’ve heard the rumors of Myhrvold, who did some fancy photographed cookbooks or something at one point. Clearly, he’s full of shit in his denials.
People should read the article as it gives a good synopsis of the documents and the reaction to it thus far.
And former Washington Post’s cartoonist, Ann Telnaes, summed things up rather well (not sure where she posts her material directly, so linking to where I found it):
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reading through that also (seriously on google docs?)
there's some stuff that is just really odd to read and it comes off as shit teenagers would write about.
Interesting that they waited to release the materials after the whole epstein story has blown pver and the masses moved on. They timed the releases perfectly.
And it seems that it might - possibly, hopefully, please God make it happen - take down the current UK Ambassador to the United States.
For me the real scandal is how all of these elites are not even attempting to hide, but are wearing their beastiality on their sleeves. They are all like "Hey dawg! We had so much fun together banging girls. We know that you are a pedo, we like that you are a pedo. And you are our pedo. Happy birthday and cheers for more future fun times!"
The only guy not gratulating Eppstein on his pedo thing is of course Bill Clinton, we wrote a pedestrian and inocculous birthday greeting.
The only guy not gratulating Eppstein on his pedo thing is of course Bill Clinton, we wrote a pedestrian and inocculous birthday greeting.
This is bigger than Trump and Epstein. Apparently Epstein had secret cameras set up in every room on the island. The island was burned to the ground...who has the tapes?
This is basically like a giant Russian style honey pot operation.
This is basically like a giant Russian style honey pot operation.
Israeli and Russia has copies. They have had dirt on major people for years and have probably helped entrap more, on both sides. Maxwell's family connection to mossad is no joke.
What? No response here to the Bloomberg reporting on the 18k Emails?
What I found interesting were the following points:
View: https://youtu.be/fWGxNnkves4?si=J_c8tPMfcFkDseio
What I found interesting were the following points:
- Gishlane Maxwell was at all times a full accomplice and fully in the know. She even discussed plea bargains with Epstein
- There were more recruiters, Bloomberg reports about a 19 year old recruiting another Girl, and Epstein responding with "too big, but good enough for a romp in the afternoon"
- Clinton was Gishlane's friend/acquaintance
- Trump got explicitly removed by Gishlane on Epstein's order from something when the heat of the investigations got turned up
View: https://youtu.be/fWGxNnkves4?si=J_c8tPMfcFkDseio
Would they be above a killing to hide this stuff? Penn seemed like a setup, and now this.
I don't think I have actually heard of a moment of silence before.
And how are they able to say fake signature...
And how they were asking if the signature was forged and then showed them a personal letter to them from Trump.
This entire thing is like a bad matrix that is just bananas...
I don't think I have actually heard of a moment of silence before.
And how are they able to say fake signature...
And how they were asking if the signature was forged and then showed them a personal letter to them from Trump.
This entire thing is like a bad matrix that is just bananas...
(from the Atlantic article linked above)
Was Epstein actually a pedophile? Ie, pursuing pre-pubescent girls? I don't seem to remember he did that, but I could be wrong. A quick google says girls 'as young as 13' or 'as yougn as 14'. That would make him an ehebophile, though that's not a very popular word... I've not heard 'teenophile' before but I'm guessing the point was still valid fwiw Doesn't excuse or mitigate what he did, of course.
I also wonder when public ire is going to turn properly against the establishment for its part in enabling Epstein and others? Are we just that inured to just how much the rich and powerful are protected by the system? There's far more to Epstein's crimes than his list of "clients".
When does the public ever turn against their betters?
Nothing stops the rich and hasn't since Grog amassed more rocks than Grugg.
The differentiation between paedophilia and ephebophilia has largely vanished with the reduced societal acceptance of ephebophilia. That's your answer. It used to be pretty normal to have a segment of the population marry and copulate with very young girls, up to the 80s these were still common but shunned subgroups (often veiled as a religious sect, but that's an entirely different story). That's pretty much gone now.
You can see this in the popularity of not just ephebophilia, but open sexualization of pubescent girls younger than 18 by older men. They genuinely lived through a time where this was still socially accepted to some degree, and have ignored or missed the social shift.
Kash Patel says no evidence Epstein trafficked to anyone:
The way they’re trying to cover up Trump’s clear involvement in sex trafficking and being an open customer is wild.
The way they’re trying to cover up Trump’s clear involvement in sex trafficking and being an open customer is wild.
After the birthday book, that notion dead, deboned and buried. But please team MAGA, continue digging deeper into that hole.
Or consider the fact that Epstein was already in jail for sex trafficking charges or that Maxwell was already convicted of sex trafficking minors. Pretty tough to do with no evidence.
Seeing as how Alex Acosta is scheduled for a House Oversight interview on Friday, I wonder if he'll be inclined to provide names of people who influenced his sweetheart deal to Epstein thanks to Kash Patel placing the "original sin" of Epstein on him.
Patel says "original sin" in Epstein case was Acosta's handling [axios.com]
Patel says "original sin" in Epstein case was Acosta's handling [axios.com]