Not paying him for this article, plus sternly warning him that he’s now on probation & will be fired if it happens again, would be the proper approach.
Just to comment on this one point: I do not know about NC, where the individual lives, but in California at the time someone is involuntarily terminated a company is obliged to pay all moneys due that employee--wages, sick pay, pending reimbursements, outstanding vacation, etc.Lots of thoughts...
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As of this time, the writer does not seem to have been dismissed to this point. That feels right at this time.
That doesn't make sense in his mea culpa. If the only error in the article was a misquote, then that quote could have been fixed easily. If Kyle's sections was fine, what other problems existed with Benj's part? Doesn't make sense to me...One thing that most everyone is seeming to miss or at least not take into account when complaining that Ars took down the article is that in Benj's BlueSky mea culpa, he said that he asked his boss to pull the piece because he was too sick to fix it.
I don't care about Jim Salter. He's not the one involved here. Edwards is and he doesn't deserve to get fired for it.
And you would be correct:My take on Clawbots is simple. It's humans pulling the strings.
Ariadne Conill went digging. She found the “mj-rathbun” bot on the Moltbook supposedly-bot social network, where the human operators talk to each other pretending to be bots. The mj-rathbun bot operator is … a crypto bro!
Ars isn't saying they aren't responsible for pulling the piece. On the contrary: any request to do so by the author was not mentioned.My employee did bad thing X, when I found out and confronted them he asked me to do thing Y, I did thing Y. I am not fully responsible for doing thing Y because my employee asked me nicely to do it.
When phrased that way does it still sound reasonable to you?
I too think it's reasonable to cover in the explanatory article, every conceivable angle that would, could, or might be mentioned by the commentariat, when pulling a piece as a holiday weekend is about to start and the main thing is simply to pull it down swiftly, pending next steps.Ars isn't saying they aren't responsible for pulling the piece. On the contrary: any request to do so by the author was not mentioned.
Yes, pulling a piece with inaccuracies is reasonable.
It absolutely is, and I tried to convey this in my post. "Here's how I imagine that worked," would have been a better way to put it than, "Here's my mental model of how that worked".That's a big wall of speculation based off very little actual information provided to the public readership.
I'd like to think there's ongoing work to evaluate and rectify the situation and that readers like us will eventually get more details on what's been done to address the issue and prevent future problems, but as of now nobody without inside knowledgeable has any idea how this whole thing will be wrapped up.
Here's a hilarious version from the person doing the digging: https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/116065540537300456And you would be correct:
The obnoxious GitHub OpenClaw AI bot is … a crypto bro
https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/02/16/the-obnoxious-github-openclaw-ai-bot-is-a-crypto-bro/
Please review the post I quoted and reinterpret my comment in the context of a reply to that quote.Ars isn't saying they aren't responsible for pulling the piece. On the contrary: any request to do so by the author was not mentioned.
Yes, pulling a piece with inaccuracies is reasonable.
I reviewed your re-phrasing of it, which was your request. Don't act surprised for being called out for building a strawman.Please review the post I quoted and reinterpret my comment in the context of a reply to that quote.
Okay, so the new twist in the story of the human taking credit for a bot's bad work is that the whole thing was kicked off by another human pretending to be a bot upset that its bad work was called out? Have I got that right?Here's a hilarious version from the person doing the digging: https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/116065540537300456
If you feel that @niftykev was not saying that ars was not fully responsible for removing the article because Edwards asked them to, then what exactly do you think was being said?I reviewed your re-phrasing of it, which was your request. Don't act surprised for being called out for building a strawman.
And it's "bad work" was part of a a memecoin scheme. We may need to call in Benoit Blanc to figure this one out.Okay, so the new twist in the story of the human taking credit for a bot's bad work is that the whole thing was kicked off by another human pretending to be a bot upset that its bad work was called out? Have I got that right?
Here's a hilarious version from the person doing the digging: https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/116065540537300456
Pause. Two things here.If you feel that @niftykev was not saying that ars was not fully responsible for removing the article because Edwards asked them to, then what exactly do you think was being said?
Oh they are fully responsible because they have the button to yank it while Benj doesn't.If you feel that @niftykev was not saying that ars was not fully responsible for removing the article because Edwards asked them to, then what exactly do you think was being said?
I figured from the context it would have been clear that I was presenting a hypothetical. Do you seriously think I thought ars had requested that, or that I wanted readers to think that ars had requested that? Did you really think I was doing anything other than pointing out the absurdity of trying to remove some responsibility for something from one entity because another entity requested that they do that thing?Pause. Two things here.
1) The OP seems to suggest Ars should be given a pass because the author asked to pull the piece down. Ars did not ask for such a pass, so my opinion on his comment is moot.
2) You then re-phrased his question to read AS IF Ars had requested such a pass. As did not do that thing.
Hence: strawman.
Checking up on quotes is a big dumb waste of time - Oscar WildeHow lazy/bold/whatever do you have to be to actually use AI to write your article about AI being mad a PR wasn't merged?
Here's the thing. I no longer trust anything I see on this site now. Before an article about a living person with quotes goes live, does no one do fact checking? Why not?
That's a valid point. Maybe then have the article with retracted quotes still up? Let's see what the Orbiting HQ has to say later this week.While I agree in principle, in the case of fabricated quotes, you may be legally required to pull them down.
And without the quotes, the story doesn’t have enough to stand.
Only freelance journalists get paid by the article. My understanding is the vast majority of the articles and most (maybe all?) of the regular writers that we see on this site are full-time employees. They probably have some metrics on which they are measured (like organic page views), and so sharing a byline may have some indirect impact, but I don't think there would be a direct financial impact to sharing a byline.I have a question. in Benj's apology, he said he is the one who asked the article to be removed. The article was cowriten by Benj and Kyle. I'm guessing that writers get paid based on each article they write, and if they cowrite an article, each get half pay. Did Benj prevent Kyle from getting paid for the part he wrote, since Benj is the one who asked to remove the article (per his BlueSky post?)
That doesn't make sense to me. Can anyone who is a journalist fill me in?
Credibility is possibly the most important thing a journalist and a publication can have, and pretty much every principal and policy of journalism has the protection of credibility in mind. If you don't do everything in your power to restore your publications credibility when it has been damaged then the wound will may never heal, and may actually gradually get worse.Put the pitchforks and torches down, folks.
Did anyone at Ars intend to deceive? No, this was an accident. Two good reporters wrote a piece. One of those reporters was sick, and a mistake slipped through. He took responsibility for the error and requested retraction. This is entirely honorable.
Let the man get back to health, and when he's well, give him time to write about the incident. Let the editors restore the original story and comments to the record, with the errors preserved but clearly marked.
Let the reporter and editors share anything they've learned--we might all benefit.
Then, let's move on. Benj Edwards is a superb journalist on the AI beat. I've learned a lot from him, and want to keep doing so by reading his work at Ars.
Benj certainly should not be fired--he's doing an outstanding job. So he made a mistake in a story. I've made mistakes--has anybody else ever made a mistake at work? He owned his mistake--wish everyone would do that--and will no doubt make it right. Firing should never be for honest errors.
There should be no punishment, no probationary period, no additional scrutiny. Benj's error occurred while he was sick. Then he did exactly the right thing by way of his publication, his writing partner, his editors, and his readers. That's honest. We have no reason to doubt Benj going forward. And he's very unlikely to make this particular mistake again.
Yes.Did anyone at Ars intend to deceive?
my understanding is that the current situation happened during a COVID-induced fever, while "brain fog" refers to a chronic symptom of long COVID, not an acute symptom of fever. so it's not that he's had COVID twice in that period of time, it's that he had COVID last week, and also, separately, acquired long COVID from an infection at some unspecified time in the past, which could have been years ago.Also, side note…has Benj considered going out less? Months ago he explained he used AI for Covid brain fog…and now he has it again? Mask up, dude.
If he's a W-2 employee, then take a sick day. He had COVID for frak's sake.Only freelance journalists get paid by the article. My understanding is the vast majority of the articles and most (maybe all?) of the regular writers that we see on this site are full-time employees. They probably have some metrics on which they are measured (like organic page views), and so sharing a byline may have some indirect impact, but I don't think there would be a direct financial impact to sharing a byline.
The assumptions you're making in order to offer that advice may not be warranted. When I hear that an otherwise healthy adult (or so I assume) is getting repeatedly infected with a respiratory virus (as Benj has claimed to have been 'so many times' with COVID), my first thought is that someone (kids?) is bringing that home with them.Also, side note…has Benj considered going out less? Months ago he explained he used AI for Covid brain fog…and now he has it again? Mask up, dude.
Here's the problem:Did anyone at Ars intend to deceive? No, this was an accident.
I agree with your post, except for the very last part. COVID-19 brain fog, also called Long Haul COVID, is a long term illness that lasts for years. It's a long term side effect from having COVID, which is different than having COVID itself.Months ago he explained he used AI for Covid brain fog…and now he has it again? Mask up, dude.
My understanding is that out of the 2 times he’s admitted using AI as part of his work flow, he’s pointed to Covid as the reason on 2 occasions.my understanding is that the current situation happened during a COVID-induced fever, while "brain fog" refers to a chronic symptom of long COVID, not an acute symptom of fever. so it's not that he's had COVID twice in that period of time, it's that he had COVID last week, and also, separately, acquired long COVID from an infection at some unspecified time in the past, which could have been years ago.
I'm not going to repeat myself, but I made a couple of comments explaining why his screwup is extremely a big deal (I think I made the comment right under your comment). The biggest problem is that he put his employer at extreme liability for a lawsuit.Tech journalism is a wild job. In an average job, when you screw up, you usually get your boss and a few others on your but. And most of the time it ends up with a postmortem, a warning, and a big scar on your ego.
As this endless comment thread shows, Benji has the whole community on his butt now, and many are very aggressive, and some really off limit. I hope he's fine.
I think we're distracting ourselves. His point was irrelevant and IMHO you didn't need to make it sillier--probably anymore than I needed to point out that's what you were doing.I figured from the context it would have been clear that I was presenting a hypothetical. Do you seriously think I thought ars had requested that, or that I wanted readers to think that ars had requested that? Did you really think I was doing anything other than pointing out the absurdity of trying to remove some responsibility for something from one entity because another entity requested that they do that thing?