I have the 80GB MGS4 PS3, the one with partial backwards compatibility. The only game I tried playing on it was FFXII, which worked just fine but didn't look much better upscaled than with the PS2 I played it on. I'm in a situation where my PS2 has a hard drive and the HD Loader so I tend to prefer my PS2 just for the faster loading times off the hard drive even though the PS3 can load games a lot faster than the PS2 can.
Arsians with 60GB PS3s from launch with full backwards compat... sound off!
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I have an 80GB with partial BC, and it doesn't work with any of the games I wanted it to work with. None of my SSX games work with the BC. They all crash. So I've been thinking of selling it and getting a cooler running slim, since my 80GB PS3's Blu-Ray laser died a few months ago.
i've got a refurb 20 gig i picked up 2 years ago(?). i'm guessing the refurb was the blu-ray drive but i dunno.<BR><BR>i like having the BC since i have a ton of ps2 games i haven't finished. also i have games like the gradius collection that i don't want to not be able to play. i have a fat ps2 so it's no biggie but i like the wireless and just using 1 console.<BR><BR>i do like the slim but won't replace my fat with one. if the fat died and sony wouldn't fix it then yeah, i would get a slim. mostly i like it because it's smaller and has a matte finish. the noise i don't worry about though since my 20gig is quiet doing things. seems the ps3 was like the 360.. some quieter than others i guess.
I still have the 60GB, preordered and purchased at launch. The PS2 compatibility was worse than terrible then and is only not outwardly repulsive now. It isn't possible to get a 480i signal from HDMI via the PS3, so it isn't possible to avoid the blurring & lag inherent in deinterlacing without using the XPloder boot disc for 480p, and all other resolutions with PS2 compatibility will have the blur/lag from deinterlacing, so while it still works, I never use it for PS2 games at all. I never use the PS3 for movies either as I've a standalone player for that, so no need for the audio upgrade that the slim unit has.
I still have my launch day 60GB, since I play a lot of PS2 games still its be invaluable for keeping a minimal number of devices connected to my tv. The device has never needed repairs I wouldn't trade it for anything until the poor thing dies on me.
I have a 60GB from August 2007, just before it was discontinued. I haven't needed to have it repaired (yet), and it still runs great. I bought it to replace my PS2 slim, so that I could have a single console to play all my Playstation games on. I have a library of ~30 PS1, ~30 PS2, and ~10 PS3 games. Because of this, the backwards compatibility has been, and remains, very important to me. I continue to replay older games in my collection, or pick up and play classic PS1 and PS2 games that I missed. If Sony were to release a fully backwards compatible PS3 slim, I would consider picking one up for the power savings. As of right now though, my 60GB still functions perfectly, and PS2 BC is too important to sacrifice.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The Faceless Rebel:<BR>I'm in a situation where my PS2 has a hard drive and the HD Loader so I tend to prefer my PS2 just for the faster loading times off the hard drive even though the PS3 can load games a lot faster than the PS2 can. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Am I reading this right, you mean:<BR>HD Loader > PS3 DVD BC > PS2 DVD?<BR><BR>If the HD Loader solution was cheap enough and easy enough, I'd probably be very happy with Slim PS3 + Fat PS2.
I still have my 60 gb version, bought while they were phasing them out in favor of the 80gb one. Never had any problems with it, and I'm glad I got it because I never had a PS2 and wanted to play a lot of games for it without worrying about compatibility.<BR><BR>I actually still have more PS2 than PS3 games.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Artichoke Sap:<BR>If the HD Loader solution was cheap enough and easy enough, I'd probably be very happy with Slim PS3 + Fat PS2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>It need cost you nothing more than a PS2, a network adapter, a memory card, a hard disk, and an Action Replay MAX USB (there are obvious ways around the cost of that last item). Compatibility is somewhere around 90%.
Launch 20Gb. It has worked fine for me so far. <BR><BR>I don't use the BC, I tried it once and prefer the visual of current gen games. I don't have alot of ps2 games so it isn't a big deal to me.<BR><BR>I mostly use the PS3 for its blue ray capabilities and the ps3 exclusives all other gaming is on the 360.<BR><BR>If mine were to break I would have no hesitation in buying the slim.
Launch day 60gb here. Still running like a champ, and it gets a lot of use. I use the memory card slots to watch slide shows of photos while listening to music. My older relatives just love it and think I am some kind of genius to get the machine to dissolve from one photo to the next zooming in and out on the faces with uncanny accuracy. No matter how many times I explain it is the software I can't convince them! I use at most two USB ports. I actually use them to charge my cell phone as well as the controllers. It is nice having hot USB prts in the living room. I hardly use the BC. Although I do play games on the thing, it really has evolved into a media hub for me. I recently bought my hundredth Blu-Ray and do not plan to stop. I will admit that Sony has a LONG way to go software wise, but I have to give Krazy Ken credit for an amazing piece of hardware. I will probably buy a slim for the office. I have a 360 and a Wii as well. The only reason I am keeping the 360 at this point is because of the exclusives, mainly the DLC, but also for games by those studios that will not make the investment in the capability to properly code games for the PS3. This is slowly becoming a non-issue. I have had no harware issues with the PS3, unlike my twice failed 360. I wonder if I could trade my 360 + twenty or so games for a slim?
I did not mean the above to sound like a troll even though it did. I am just losing the desire to keep up with both systems and I know which one I will keep! As far as the Wii, I lent it to my nephew six months ago...
The Backwards Complatibility doesn't bother me. But I would trade my 80GB for a Slim in half a second.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Artichoke Sap:<BR><BR>Am I reading this right, you mean:<BR>HD Loader > PS3 DVD BC > PS2 DVD? </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Yes. Hard drive always trumps optical drive.<BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If the HD Loader solution was cheap enough and easy enough, I'd probably be very happy with Slim PS3 + Fat PS2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>If you already have the Phat PS2, you just need an IDE hard drive and a way to initially install HD Loader. You can set up the rest after that with your PC.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Endymion:<BR>I still have the 60GB, preordered and purchased at launch. The PS2 compatibility was worse than terrible then and is only not outwardly repulsive now. It isn't possible to get a 480i signal from HDMI via the PS3, so it isn't possible to avoid the blurring & lag inherent in deinterlacing without using the XPloder boot disc for 480p, and all other resolutions with PS2 compatibility will have the blur/lag from deinterlacing, so while it still works, I never use it for PS2 games at all. I never use the PS3 for movies either as I've a standalone player for that, so no need for the audio upgrade that the slim unit has. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>You know I've been wondering why there was such terrible input lag on my PS2 games on my PS3. I havge a spare set of pretty much every cable. I'll try playing Ratchet and Clan (the first one) with composite and component and see if that fixes it. <BR><BR>80 GB partial BC, worked on every game I've tried with the above noted input lag on some games.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The Faceless Rebel:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Artichoke Sap:<BR>Am I reading this right, you mean:<BR>HD Loader > PS3 DVD BC > PS2 DVD? </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yes. Hard drive always trumps optical drive.<BR> </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well, it's the second inequality I was more curious about. I had never heard of that.<BR><BR>Considering the less-than-100% compatibility of PS2 games on HD Loader (after minor Googling), I'm still torn. I guess it's moot so long as my 60GB PS3 keeps living (large). If it dies again, I'll probably go Slim.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Faded Dream:<BR>You know I've been wondering why there was such terrible input lag on my PS2 games on my PS3. I havge a spare set of pretty much every cable. I'll try playing Ratchet and Clan (the first one) with composite and component and see if that fixes it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Something about the PS3's digital video output requires 480p or better via HDMI, which means every PS2 game will be deinterlaced in every circumstance, unless you use XPloder or can activate the game's built-in 480p mode (which is only going to be 480p, but does eliminate the deinterlacing). If either of those aren't possible, then deinterlaced it is. If you use component cables you can get around this and use 480i, component is analogue, although composite and s-video won't have this problem either but don't allow resolution control.<BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">80 GB partial BC, worked on every game I've tried with the above noted input lag on some games. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I've never used this model. You might find its timing is still off, some games just run slower with CPU emulation.<BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Artichoke Sap:<BR>Considering the less-than-100% compatibility of PS2 games on HD Loader (after minor Googling), I'm still torn. I guess it's moot so long as my 60GB PS3 keeps living (large). If it dies again, I'll probably go Slim. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>You should do the HD Loader. It makes the PS2 actually seem.... powerful. 2-3 seconds to load a stage as opposed to nearly a minute sometimes, ever played KillZone? Yeah, it's not 100%, but games that don't work are the exception.
I bought one. It's been used 98% of the time for watching Blue Ray movies. I found myself bored of console gaming this generation so game primarily on my PC. <br><br>So if someone wants BC you can have mine. Just make me an attractive offer and I'll sell you mine. I even have the original box. All I need is a Blue Ray player or the PS3 slim. -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif --
When they announced Europe's PS3 would not have hardware BC, (in the US) I went out that same day and bought a 60 gb system with full BC. The writing was on the wall for all other countries.<BR><BR>I think not returning hardware BC with the refresh is an indicator that Sony wants to sell downloadable PS2 games on PSN.<BR><BR>I think the BC issue would be moot if they made a new revision of the PS2 that put out HDMI for the same price as the current PS2.<BR><BR>The only issue that I ever had with the PS3 is that Orange Box was a nightmare. I don't care about the slim, other than hoping that it keeps the PS3 off life support.
I have a launch 60GB and have not had any problems with it. My PS2 game stack and BD movie stack are both significantly taller than my PS3 game stack.<BR><BR>If the unit were to die and Sony would not repair it or replace it with one that had full hardware BC, I would not replace it with a Slim, I would just pick up a standalone BD player and write Sony off.
I have a 60 GB PS3 that I bought in January 2007 and haven't had any problems with it. I like the idea of it being fully backwards compatible, but I haven't really utilized it much despite having a ton of PS2 games I want to play. Still, if it broke and I couldn't get it repaired I would be sad. I have never made use of the card readers or more than 2 USB ports at once.
Purchased early Dec of 2006 and while countless number of 360s have failed, the sexy black shiny just keeps on doing the work. I love the card slots, and when I come back from a vacation or travel, this is how I tell my family of the trip...pics on the SD card played in HD.<BR><BR>The original is not going anywhere, and will be picking up a Slim this month for my weekly travels.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blue Adept:<BR>I think not returning hardware BC with the refresh is an indicator that Sony wants to sell downloadable PS2 games on PSN. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That doesn't make sense. To sell downloadable PS2 games on PSN, they need PS3s that can play PS2 games. Otherwise they need to go back and recode all the games to make them PS3 games before they sell them (see the God of War re-release).
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">That doesn't make sense. To sell downloadable PS2 games on PSN, they need PS3s that can play PS2 games. Otherwise they need to go back and recode all the games to make them PS3 games before they sell them (see the God of War re-release). </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>i think he means a software emulation which i don't see coming unless sony can keep a secret (and we know they can't).
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sword_9mm:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">That doesn't make sense. To sell downloadable PS2 games on PSN, they need PS3s that can play PS2 games. Otherwise they need to go back and recode all the games to make them PS3 games before they sell them (see the God of War re-release). </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>i think he means a software emulation which i don't see coming unless sony can keep a secret (and we know they can't). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Right, I understand what he was saying, but that doesn't make sense. Look at MS. Because they had a BC solution, they were able to sell Xbox 1 games for download. It doesn't help Sony to not put out Software Emulation as soon as they develop it. Once Software Emulation released, they can release downloadable PS2 games any time.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bstone:<BR>I was always surprised how much heat it put off playing ps2 games. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It's the software scaling. It uses a lot of CPU power.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Deviation:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bstone:<BR>I was always surprised how much heat it put off playing ps2 games. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It's the software scaling. It uses a lot of CPU power. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>See also: DVD upscaling (loud, hot) vs. watching Blu-ray movies.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Right, I understand what he was saying, but that doesn't make sense. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>In my view, BC would be enabled only for downloadable games from PSN on new PS3s. In terms of the 360, imagine if it could only be BC to games that are downloaded from XBox Live, even though it could technically be allowed for all games.<BR><BR>Or how's this: It makes more sense to Sony to work on BC to sell downloadable games (where they see a profit) than it does to work on BC to sell hardware (where they see a loss).
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blue Adept:<BR>...<BR>In my view, BC would be enabled only for downloadable games from PSN on new PS3s. In terms of the 360, imagine if it could only be BC to games that are downloaded from XBox Live, even though it could technically be allowed for all games.<BR><BR>Or how's this: It makes more sense to Sony to work on BC to sell downloadable games (where they see a profit) than it does to work on BC to sell hardware (where they see a loss). </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I'm definitely concerned about how Sony handles PSN games I've purchased with their next generation console. I only want 1 console, that's why I like PS3 that plays everything back to PS1. If a PS4 comes out, I want the same. One console, and be able to play my entire library of games.<BR><BR>Depending on how Microsoft/Sony handle how their downloadable games work next generation will have a large influence on my purchasing habits.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blue Adept:<BR>Or how's this: It makes more sense to Sony to work on BC to sell downloadable games (where they see a profit) than it does to work on BC to sell hardware (where they see a loss). </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>But if they have BC, then people will either buy downloadable PS2 games or buy physical PS2 games. Both earn Sony money.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Keen314:<BR>But if they have BC, then people will either buy downloadable PS2 games or buy physical PS2 games. Both earn Sony money. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I think this whole idea that BC is coming back is bunk, but:<BR><BR>If it was downloadable only, they avoid the used market cutting into their sales. Especially if they're bringing back PS2 "classics" that can be had used for very cheap.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">PS3 that plays everything back to PS1 </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>for the record, I wasn't going to say anything because I don't apply to the original question. <BR><BR>I've got a 2nd gen PS3(80GB, motorstorm) and this is why I'll never give up my playstation. I own a handful of games across all three systems and I see it something of a waste of space to have to own multiple consoles for the same branded games, you know?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Artichoke Sap:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Deviation:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bstone:<BR>I was always surprised how much heat it put off playing ps2 games. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It's the software scaling. It uses a lot of CPU power. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>See also: DVD upscaling (loud, hot) vs. watching Blu-ray movies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Curiously enough, the DVD scaling is much better than the PS2 scaling. Probably because there are versions of the PS3 that use software emulation for the Emotion Engine.
Had my 60GB for 2.5 years now (when it launched in the UK), with absolutely no hardware problems. Tried out a couple of PS2 games just for the hell of it but never really played anything. I don't know why people want BC when they also most likely have a PS2 in the house. It's one extra plug socket and TV's have multiple inputs. Besides, I have so many PS3 games I want to play I don't feel the need to go back to PS2 games.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 68K:<BR>Had my 60GB for 2.5 years now (when it launched in the UK) </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ben, is your article also covering the machines that only had partial BC (the so-called 'software BC' machines)? I ask because in Europe, they had 60GB launch machines that had the partial BC, they never had the machines that had all the PS2 bits inside, and that's going to make things confusing.
I have a 60gb from a friend that I bought pretty early on. I never owned a PS2 (roomate had one), so I thought the BC would come in handy, but I rarely use it. In fact, I think the only two games I have are Rez & FFXII, and I've played a total of about 20 hours of PS2 games. <BR><BR>If they were the exact same cost PS3 w/BC vs PS3 Slim wo/BC, I'd still go for the BC version just on the chance I might use it. No problems with the PS3 so far, except a bug in UFC Unleashed that doesn't let me play ranked matches.
Had a 60GB which ended up going back to Best Buy under the PRP I purchased. Disc-read errors got me and were uncorrectable with various cleaning attempts. I ended up with a 40GB and pulled out my original launch PS2 for any BC needs. Bought a second for our main TV mainly as a Blu-Ray player and upscaler.<BR><BR>No urge to replace either with a new Slim.
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<br>We're starting to get off-topic here, but…<br><br>I really think that Sony will go with a "Cell 2" for the PS4*. Double the number of cores and maybe bump the clock a bit, get a GPU that's capable of easily rendering 1080p with some AA (while still understanding commands written for the RSX), and you've got a new system that not only lets them continue building on what they've done for the current system—which should please the devs considerably—but it's also automatically compatible with everything the PS3 can do now, as it's essentially the same system. PS3 games could just run natively on the new system—blithely ignoring the extra assets—with no emulation required. It would be akin to simply upgrading the CPU and GPU in your PC.<br><br>*Which is to say, "I hope they're not dumb enough to do otherwise." -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif --
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<br>We're starting to get off-topic here, but…<br><br>I really think that Sony will go with a "Cell 2" for the PS4*. Double the number of cores and maybe bump the clock a bit, get a GPU that's capable of easily rendering 1080p with some AA (while still understanding commands written for the RSX), and you've got a new system that not only lets them continue building on what they've done for the current system—which should please the devs considerably—but it's also automatically compatible with everything the PS3 can do now, as it's essentially the same system. PS3 games could just run natively on the new system—blithely ignoring the extra assets—with no emulation required. It would be akin to simply upgrading the CPU and GPU in your PC.<br><br>*Which is to say, "I hope they're not dumb enough to do otherwise." -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif --
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