Apple’s M1 Ultra tapes two M1 Max chips together
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It really seems like Apple's naming schemes have really declined. MacBook Air was super clever, Retina was great, and they played on the specific strengths that Apple wanted to highlight. Now they just strap on new superlatives like Super Retina and M1 Max or Ultra (how is something more than maximum?), it's so boring.
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Not that Ultra should surpass Max, but at least it could make some sense in that the M1 Max is as big of a chiplet as they could produce.
Any word on whether this is going to further constrain MBP with M1 Max supplies? They've been hard to come by, IME.
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While their raw performance numbers are the thing that gets the most attention, it's that they are able to achieve them while using significantly less power and generating less heat than the competition. In a laptop, especially, that's the real selling point. I have an Intel-based MacBook Pro for work, and an M1 Pro-based MacBook Pro for personal use, and the latter is infinitely more pleasant to use. Cooler on my lap, never has any kind of freezing or lag, and can go longer on a single charge doing equivalent things.
If you're a desktop user, obviously none of that will super benefit you, but I was impressed by those quality of life things more than raw performance.
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M1 Ultra just makes me think of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
Possibly not the association they should be aiming for. But memorable.
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This is no different from Quartz Extreme or QuickDraw GX. Apple always invents funky names that don't mean anything.
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No, this was a completely meaningless marketing statement.
The memory bandwidth, at least, seems to be in the ballpark of the nicer NVIDIA 30XX cards.
Buying one of these things for gaming would be pretty dumb. But, that's not the only application. And anyway, the tight coupling has fundamental performance advantages, and probably these things are targeted at a market segment that doesn't want to mess around with installation issues.
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Maybe it's just the press that surrounds everything Apple, but it feels like they're the only one actually attempting to make new strides in processor technology?
Am I wrong? I'd love to be wrong, but I just don't see the results in the performance from Intel or Qualcomm when benchmarks show them lagging behind Apple's mobile and now M1 processors. I'm likely never going to buy an Apple, but I'd love if these processors put a fire under the R&D developments of those companies so we can get some good competition.
Am I wrong? I'd love to be wrong, but I just don't see the results in the performance from Intel or Qualcomm when benchmarks show them lagging behind Apple's mobile and now M1 processors. I'm likely never going to buy an Apple, but I'd love if these processors put a fire under the R&D developments of those companies so we can get some good competition.
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The M1 Ultra looks to be ahead of an RTX 3090 at computational tasks, judging from Geekbench OpenCL scores for the M1 Max and the RTX 3090. Not to mention the 64/128GB unified memory. Impressive, especially for such a small, efficient and quiet workstation.
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Noise, of course, but also heat. In a small office with the door closed, the amount of heat dumped into the room on a beefy desktop can be considerable. I have this when I'm on my gaming tower, it's not far off from having a blow dryer running in the room.
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Judging based on the downvotes in this thread, there are some people who are not comfortable with the reality of Apple's recent performance gains.
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Yet, but the rumors of the CPU bridge also had some leaks indicating that they'd use them in a 4x setup with some glue and they said at the end of the presentation the transition is almost complete but Mac Pro is for another day. So expect pretty much everything to go x2 again like 40 core CPU, 256GB RAM etc.
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Indeed. These machines are targeted at people who make money from them in a professional capacity. Any time spent on configuring drivers/ini files/etc etc, is money out of their pockets. They're not hobbyist gamers with tons of time to kill.
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The slides list the cards they are comparing to in the bottom right corner, so you can just look up that slide instead of speculating. I missed this one, but I’m confident they weren’t using those since another slide compared the Ultra to a RTX 3090. There are many things to be said about Apples lightly labeled performance slides, but they do list what they are benchmarking against now (in tiny, light grey font).
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Yeah -- I'd be really interested to see how they do in some engineering/science workloads. I bet they'd do pretty well in some sparse linear algebra stuff given the memory bandwidth, and with the CPU, GPU, and memory right there next to each other I bet some pretty novel algorithms are possible.
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Twenty cores suggests its strength is churning through highly parallelizable work, so it will be much better in some domains than others. Of course that's life these days.
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Just you wait....
Anyway this is a nice thread in case anyone's interested in the original ARM1 chip.
https://twitter.com/kenshirriff/status/ ... 9787176961
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Not many of these items in recent years have caught me off guard but I actually said "Holy shit..." when they showed the M1 Ultra technical details.
Yes the name is silly, what's next Super Duper? But... the technical details impress.
Yes the name is silly, what's next Super Duper? But... the technical details impress.
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At this point, after all the scalpers that horde graphics cards are selling them for about as much as the base Mac Studio. 3090s are going for well over $2k, 3080s are going for around $1700-$1800K. 3060s are even as much as $1k, but if you hunt around you can get them down to $700ish. You can find cheaper ones, but even then you may as well get an Xbox or Playstation 5.
But anyway, when did the world switch to it only being games that determines a computers worth?
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I can't wait to see optimized Windows 11 for ARM performance on these chips when Microsoft finally releases it. Even as a VM (considering Apple's VM-specific taps in their chips I mean) it should fly compared to an equivalent X86.
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If they get Windows working on these things I will instantly buy.
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This is what they said about the M1 Ultra:
Apple":1ujrmm32 said:
And at the bottom of the slide they list that this was compared to a system with a "Core i9-12900K with DDR5 and a GeForce RTX 3090"
@ 33:12
https://youtu.be/CUwg_JoNHpo?t=1992
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