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Andrew and Lee jump into <em>Wheel of Time</em> season two’s 3-episode blowout premiere
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You're going to be very disappointed in this series then, because one of the overarching themes of the whole story is how much of it isn't about Rand.
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Thanks. At least I know have more or less a better idea of what to expect going forward.
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Yes and no. they do end up splitting up everyone later on in the books but they spend a lot of time together early on.
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Kind of. The party splitting up and rejoining happened even in book 1. And Rand spent most of book 2 and almost all book 3 away from the rest of the Emond's Field crew (and was basically offscreen for most of book 3.)
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One of the common themes in the books is that everyone is working from incomplete or sometimes even false information, so what they think they know isn't always the truth. So if a character says something is "impossible" it only means that that character believes it is impossible (or possibly does know better and is lying.)
Unreliable narrators are very common in the books, for various reasons.
For an example from the show, in season 1 Nynaeve tells Moiraine that her mentor journeyed to the White Tower and was turned away because she was poor. Later in the season we see a young Siuan Sanche living in a shack with her fisherman father before her ability to channel forces her to have to leave. We then see that in the present day that she is not only a member of the White Tower, but its leader. So we learn that Nynaeve's story was wrong. We don't know why her mentor was turned away from the Tower, but we know it wasn't because of her humble roots, despite what she apparently told Nynaeve.
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I really want to get into it, but it’s missing the political intrigue of GoT (which I believe the books did very well) in favor of more side characters personalities (like Lan and the 2 Warders) or the Red.
I wanted to recommend this to my wife to watch with me since this was one of the best series I read growing up but I think it’s all very confusing if you don’t have the background of what’s going (even simple things like a text based recap / fast forward for the time leap; or showing what city the characters are in on a map at the beginning would do wonders)
I wanted to recommend this to my wife to watch with me since this was one of the best series I read growing up but I think it’s all very confusing if you don’t have the background of what’s going (even simple things like a text based recap / fast forward for the time leap; or showing what city the characters are in on a map at the beginning would do wonders)
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All the political stuff happens later in the story. The first 3 books (which the first 2 season will cover) were a much more standard fantasy adventure format. Aside from a little bit of daes daemar in Cairhien in book 2 which mostly just involved Rand winning by burning letters, there wasn't much of any politics until books 4 and 5. We've probably gotten at least as much in the show already as there was in the books at this point.
Also regarding guides, the extras section on the show page has maps and timelines and stuff, and if you pause, the X-ray feature will provide lore notes for stuff relevant to the scene.
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Hey Lee and Andrew, I'm sure everyone has these, but I was curious what scenes in the book are you sad didn't make it into the show?
For me, I'm disappointed we didn't get to see the encounter between Bornhald and Rand in Baerlon ("Heron Mark, Lord Bornhald"). That and the duel between Gawain, Galad and Matt, "Remember that, and remember what you just saw!")
Also, I liked Nynaeves trip in the arch, I think the pattern stopped the arch from appearing the first time, it knew she needed to see the consequences of her actions to make the right choice.
For me, I'm disappointed we didn't get to see the encounter between Bornhald and Rand in Baerlon ("Heron Mark, Lord Bornhald"). That and the duel between Gawain, Galad and Matt, "Remember that, and remember what you just saw!")
Also, I liked Nynaeves trip in the arch, I think the pattern stopped the arch from appearing the first time, it knew she needed to see the consequences of her actions to make the right choice.
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That is one of my complaints about the first season. They made a big deal of showing the heron-mark on Tam's/Rand's sword, but never once in the show have they explained what it means. Our first mention of Blade Masters is by the guy Rand is taking care of in the asylum in Season 2.
Rafe Judkins has said we will get some version of Mat's duel with Gawyn and Galad in the show, but no indication of when or how close to the books it will actually be.
Rafe Judkins has said we will get some version of Mat's duel with Gawyn and Galad in the show, but no indication of when or how close to the books it will actually be.
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I read the whole series religiously as a teenager. But I gotta say, the first time I cracked open a book by Ursula LeGuin I felt a deep, abiding shame I'd wasted so much of my life slogging through WoT. RJ was just so egregiously inefficient it actually made me mad. When you've got nothing else going on but your 15 volume fantasy epic and playing poker, your fantasy epic gets kinda bland. When you're raising kids, teaching college, doing political activism AND writing books turns put you don't NEED 15 books to drop a banger.
I loved the idea of a long lost and broken power like saidin, but that simply didn't necessitate 15 books to get there.
I loved the idea of a long lost and broken power like saidin, but that simply didn't necessitate 15 books to get there.
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I have not yet watched S2 episodes, so how I'll feel about it remains to be seen.
I will restate what I observed in S1:
[clarification - never read the books, coming into this fresh]
I will restate what I observed in S1:
1) Production quality felt a little SyFy series level
2) Moraine and Lan characters seemed well acted and likeable, their scenes were well done
3) The 4 dragon prospects + Nynaeve were utterly unlikable, such to the point that I started rooting for them to be caught and killed by the baddies. I don't know if the actors are bad, the direction was bad (george lucas prequal bad) or if it's intended by the creators that we should intensely dislike those people. If the latter was the case, then bravo creators - you nailed it
4) the S1 ending was an unwatchable shitshow
Now, I plan to watch these 1st three episodes and see if they can win me back or if I'm writing this off for good.[clarification - never read the books, coming into this fresh]
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Season 2 shaping up better than Season 1 is an extraordinarily low bar.
the issue I have is is, if you're spending this kind of money on rights and production... do it well. I heard some ridiculous numbers on costs. They didn't spend it on casting/talent (these are not expensive names). they didn't spend it on production/physical sets/digital effects. not sure what it was spent on. It comes across, at best, as a made for TV screenplay and production. do better.
example.. quite familiar with GRR A Song of Ice and Fire series. At no point during the HBO GoT series was I wondering, I have no idea where in the fictional world this character is. Wheel of Time, curse word curse word. more curse words. I have no idea where any of this is supposed to be taking place. AND... I can't assume it's following the book... as it clearly isn't. Perrin running into the Seanchan beginning of S2, randomly transporting him across an entire continent. It's just awful. Will continue to hate watch.
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You apparently missed the fact that they've been on the road, chasing Padan Fain, for five months. Nobody teleported. The show could do a better job of showing where people are on the map (you have to pause the episode and click on the map from the extra content to see where they are) but they clearly say in the show they've been travelling for months and are currently on the Almoth Plain, just like the Wondergirls and Mat have been in the White Tower for months and Rand has been in Cairhien for months.
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Glad you said "among," considering how spectacularly awful
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I think the TV series is brilliant. It's working on a theory something every single book fan here is not thinking about -- reality and streaming bugets.
How many seasons do you need to tell the story "properly" and how many are you going to get green-lit for?
You get five seasons if you're lucky. That's it. Go book fans, give me 40 episodes to tell the entire Wheel of Time series because that's all you're getting.
If you're lucky.
Now go complain some more about story choices.
How many seasons do you need to tell the story "properly" and how many are you going to get green-lit for?
You get five seasons if you're lucky. That's it. Go book fans, give me 40 episodes to tell the entire Wheel of Time series because that's all you're getting.
If you're lucky.
Now go complain some more about story choices.
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Prepare your surprised face because they've been filming season 3 for like 6 months at least. It was greenlit before season 1 finished airing.
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There are a couple of instances of the same wound being Healed multiple times in the books, or a generally incomplete Healing which is finished (or attempted) later. The big ones are Mat and Rand, with the latter being healed for the same wound many times, always to incomplete results. The part I think you're referencing is, if I recall correctly, an Aes Sedai thinking to herself about how her cold got cured along with the more grievous wounds she was suffering from. I think it was more intended to convey that 3rd Age Aes Sedai Healing (which, in contrast to the sophisticated science of Age of Legends Healing, is something roughly equivalent to magical first aid) generally lacks the ability to discriminate what it's healing, and will generally heal everything. There are also instances of Aes Sedai offering Healing to someone they know has already received it, because they were concerned it wasn't done right the first time or may have otherwise been incomplete.
The part about the threads is not consistent with the books; we know that channelers do draw threads from instances of that element around them. The first example that pops to mind is the explanation of how Saidin differs from Saidar, in that with Saidin you put out a fire by drawing threads of Fire from it to transfer the heat into something, whereas attempting the same with Saidar leads to burns at a minimum, if not self-immolation (the Saidar method involves channeling Air or Water from nearby sources to cool the flame). We've also got examples of people drawing threads of water from the air or the ground or their clothes, stuff like that. The hard magic isn't rock hard, but the Alanna's lesson in the show is consistent with the books.
The part about the people in charge not knowing or caring about the show is incorrect. The showrunner is a lifelong fan who knows the series well, and they literally have Sarah Nakamura on as a lore consultant - last I heard she'd read the books more than 30 times, which is more times than I have. She is well known at WoTCon, Dragonmount, all of the long term fandom spaces. The idea that the people in charge of the show don't know or love the books is totally off-base, like on a fact level. It's also a weird angle of criticism, although I get that this topic is emotional so maybe that's to be expected.
Already been greenlit after season 1's impressive viewership numbers, so absent Prime Video collapsing we're getting it
the show is really popular, although it's a lot more popular with young women than other demographics, so there might be a filter bubble effect. When that's the case it tends to lead to online forum discussion along the lines of "I don't understand who this is for", because generally women are underrepresented in online forums.
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The show is also doing really well internationally.There are a couple of instances of the same wound being Healed multiple times in the books, or a generally incomplete Healing which is finished (or attempted) later. The big ones are Mat and Rand, with the latter being healed for the same wound many times, always to incomplete results. The part I think you're referencing is, if I recall correctly, an Aes Sedai thinking to herself about how her cold got cured along with the more grievous wounds she was suffering from. I think it was more intended to convey that 3rd Age Aes Sedai Healing (which, in contrast to the sophisticated science of Age of Legends Healing, is something roughly equivalent to magical first aid) generally lacks the ability to discriminate what it's healing, and will generally heal everything. There are also instances of Aes Sedai offering Healing to someone they know has already received it, because they were concerned it wasn't done right the first time or may have otherwise been incomplete.
The part about the threads is not consistent with the books; we know that channelers do draw threads from instances of that element around them. The first example that pops to mind is the explanation of how Saidin differs from Saidar, in that with Saidin you put out a fire by drawing threads of Fire from it to transfer the heat into something, whereas attempting the same with Saidar leads to burns at a minimum, if not self-immolation (the Saidar method involves channeling Air or Water from nearby sources to cool the flame). We've also got examples of people drawing threads of water from the air or the ground or their clothes, stuff like that. The hard magic isn't rock hard, but the Alanna's lesson in the show is consistent with the books.
The part about the people in charge not knowing or caring about the show is incorrect. The showrunner is a lifelong fan who knows the series well, and they literally have Sarah Nakamura on as a lore consultant - last I heard she'd read the books more than 30 times, which is more times than I have. She is well known at WoTCon, Dragonmount, all of the long term fandom spaces. The idea that the people in charge of the show don't know or love the books is totally off-base, like on a fact level. It's also a weird angle of criticism, although I get that this topic is emotional so maybe that's to be expected.
Already been greenlit after season 1's impressive viewership numbers, so absent Prime Video collapsing we're getting it
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So, as a preface: religious reader of WoT from the get (my best friend and I read them as they came out; he bought hardcovers as they came out, then I read them, then I bought paperbacks when they came out.) Still have them, in fact, though I don't still have the best friend. :_(
I really kind of enjoyed these last ones. Is this my headcanon WoT? No, not really.
Does that matter? Again, no, not really. This book series would take years to do in a soap opera format, 44 minutes a day for a decade wouldn't be enough. There's too much going on. There's too many pieces, and FAR too much of the book takes place inside people's psyches rather than in ways that can be seen or heard.
The thing about adaptations is that you can't end up doing "it's literally the book, but as a movie" because the media are so very different. I mean, The Expanse also is based on a book series, but there's plenty of ways that the TV is different than the books -- ways that don't matter to the story "all that much."
In any case, I'll keep watching -- it's a different turn of the wheel. The Wheel of Time itself talks at length about different turnings of the wheel, about how these stories are told and retold and the stories might change a bit, the characters might change a bit, but it's ultimately the same story.
Plus my wife kinda liked it and this type show isn't really her jam. That's something: the audience of this isn't only those of us who spent years at a time waiting the next book in the series. There's a lot more people who haven't done that than who have, so approaching an adaptation as though it's scripture and any change from the source material is blasphemy... well, that's a little silly, no?
I really kind of enjoyed these last ones. Is this my headcanon WoT? No, not really.
Does that matter? Again, no, not really. This book series would take years to do in a soap opera format, 44 minutes a day for a decade wouldn't be enough. There's too much going on. There's too many pieces, and FAR too much of the book takes place inside people's psyches rather than in ways that can be seen or heard.
The thing about adaptations is that you can't end up doing "it's literally the book, but as a movie" because the media are so very different. I mean, The Expanse also is based on a book series, but there's plenty of ways that the TV is different than the books -- ways that don't matter to the story "all that much."
In any case, I'll keep watching -- it's a different turn of the wheel. The Wheel of Time itself talks at length about different turnings of the wheel, about how these stories are told and retold and the stories might change a bit, the characters might change a bit, but it's ultimately the same story.
Plus my wife kinda liked it and this type show isn't really her jam. That's something: the audience of this isn't only those of us who spent years at a time waiting the next book in the series. There's a lot more people who haven't done that than who have, so approaching an adaptation as though it's scripture and any change from the source material is blasphemy... well, that's a little silly, no?
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Ars Legatus Legionis
Do you realize you (mostly) picked up on the 'plot' of Bored of the Rings?
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A sharp word can cut deeper than a knife. A sharp word with a sharp knife cuts best.
-Lini, probably
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You have a script already... how hard is it to follow a successful script? Leave out the weird tics, but the script was fine... why do they change it?!
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I didn't mean to imply that the showrunners didn't care, just that they may have misunderstood or that they are being loose with how the One Power works and is described. In that kitchen scene, Alanna describes pulling weaves of Water from ambient water in the room, and that's just not how the books work. Those weaves can work with those elements, but don't come from them. It's probably just a shorthand since the show has to be so visual with the weaving.There are a couple of instances of the same wound being Healed multiple times in the books, or a generally incomplete Healing which is finished (or attempted) later. The big ones are Mat and Rand, with the latter being healed for the same wound many times, always to incomplete results. The part I think you're referencing is, if I recall correctly, an Aes Sedai thinking to herself about how her cold got cured along with the more grievous wounds she was suffering from. I think it was more intended to convey that 3rd Age Aes Sedai Healing (which, in contrast to the sophisticated science of Age of Legends Healing, is something roughly equivalent to magical first aid) generally lacks the ability to discriminate what it's healing, and will generally heal everything. There are also instances of Aes Sedai offering Healing to someone they know has already received it, because they were concerned it wasn't done right the first time or may have otherwise been incomplete.
The part about the threads is not consistent with the books; we know that channelers do draw threads from instances of that element around them. The first example that pops to mind is the explanation of how Saidin differs from Saidar, in that with Saidin you put out a fire by drawing threads of Fire from it to transfer the heat into something, whereas attempting the same with Saidar leads to burns at a minimum, if not self-immolation (the Saidar method involves channeling Air or Water from nearby sources to cool the flame). We've also got examples of people drawing threads of water from the air or the ground or their clothes, stuff like that. The hard magic isn't rock hard, but the Alanna's lesson in the show is consistent with the books.
The part about the people in charge not knowing or caring about the show is incorrect. The showrunner is a lifelong fan who knows the series well, and they literally have Sarah Nakamura on as a lore consultant - last I heard she'd read the books more than 30 times, which is more times than I have. She is well known at WoTCon, Dragonmount, all of the long term fandom spaces. The idea that the people in charge of the show don't know or love the books is totally off-base, like on a fact level. It's also a weird angle of criticism, although I get that this topic is emotional so maybe that's to be expected.
Already been greenlit after season 1's impressive viewership numbers, so absent Prime Video collapsing we're getting it
It's a subtle distinction I'm making, but in the scene you phrase as, "with Saidin you put out a fire by drawing threads of Fire from it to transfer the heat into something," I would phrase as "using threads of Fire to draw the heat from the fire and transfer it into something." You don't draw threads of Fire from the fire, rather you use Fire to act on the fire.
On Healing, the primary distinction between 3rd Age Aes Sedai Healing and Healing from the Age of Legends is that current healing using just Air, Water, and Spirit uses strength from the person being Healed, which is why people need to rest and eat after Healing. The 'battlefield healing' phrase used by one of the Forsaken implies just it would have been used in the AoL to spare the strength of the healer. I don't think AoL Healing is necessarily more targeted, but rather that more of the strength comes from the One Power, as opposed to the person being Healed. There's a scene where Nynaeve Heals Elayne using her Talent and all five elements and Egwene has her headache Healed because she has her hands clamped on Elayne's mouth at the time.
There are levels of Healing in the books (using either method of weaving the flows) ranging from 'as if it never happened' to leaving a scar, but other than Rand and Mat, the only person who I recall being offered Healing more than once was Galad, and the implication was the Aes Sedai just wanted to get their hands on him. From 'Lord of Chaos, chapter 30, To Heal Again', when Leane and Siuan come back to Nynaeve to tell her they want to try Healing again because they aren't at full strength, Nynaeve tells them, "You can't Heal what has been Healed."
With respect to Rand, the implication is that his wound is caused in some way by the True Power and that's why weaves of the One Power can't touch it. People try to Heal it, but never can. The best they can manage is to ward it off from the rest of him in some fashion. And although Healing is attempted on him multiple times, the wound is never Healed.
Mat is a little different. His first Healing happens off screen, but we are told by Moiraine that she couldn't Heal him without killing him. She states that she did what she could to shield him from the dagger but it would return. The audience doesn't really know exactly what happened and Mat then had further months of exposure to the dagger before he was Healed. This is complicated because the first Healing happens off screen, the second Healing happens in POV of novice users of the power, and the injury is mostly caused by 'evil'.
It's hard to describe what happened to Mat exclusively as Healing. Most of that channeling was directed at severing his connection to Shadar Logoth. The circle was directed by Siuan, who couldn't heal much at all, it was comprised of ten Aes Sedai presumably chosen for their strength in the Power, since no Yellow Ajah sisters were mentioned and eight of the sisters were definitely not Yellow.
Frustratingly, there are some things that were changed in Jordan's head over the course of the books, as well as some things that were just never fully explained.
I didn't mean to write a novel. This all feels super nitpicky. I like the show and my point was really that it's the small things about how the world works than the bigger story beat changes that really draw me out of it. Changing part of the story feels like an adaptation, changing how the world works feels like a screw up.
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I gotta say the rift between the review (from people who have read the books) and the comments (from other people who read the books and by and large seem to love them) are so divorced from one another it's amazing. Lee and Andrew seem to think it's great, while the other book fans are horrified.
I'm not picking sides as I haven't read the books, but it very closely mirrors the rift between fans of classic Marvel comics and fans of more recent movies. And it very much depicts the differences between press reviews of Rings of Power and my own experience as a Tolkien fan. I was completely mortified by that one.
In each of these cases, it seems the source material was harvested for its recognizable character names and appearances and then discarded. This is just the rightsholder's way of milking an intellectual property for all it's worth and then some.
I'm not picking sides as I haven't read the books, but it very closely mirrors the rift between fans of classic Marvel comics and fans of more recent movies. And it very much depicts the differences between press reviews of Rings of Power and my own experience as a Tolkien fan. I was completely mortified by that one.
In each of these cases, it seems the source material was harvested for its recognizable character names and appearances and then discarded. This is just the rightsholder's way of milking an intellectual property for all it's worth and then some.
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And in the show it's the very thirsty Adeleas who offers Lan "more healing." So if anything, this a similar joke.
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There's tons of book fans who love the show. Most of them have just given given up on arguing with bookcloaks in public fora because it can be immensely frustrating.
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To be honest, I'm pretty much resigned to this now. For any new release of any major franchise there always seems to be a loudly disappointed section of the fanbase to go with it.
Which is why I really, really appreciate it when I find a thread like this one where there's been a broader range of opinions, both from folks who've read the books and folks who haven't. Thanks everyone - and I mean that seriously.
For what it's worth, I enjoyed Rings of Power. Was it 100% faithful to the canon material? No, it wasn't but, for me, the rest of it was good enough that I didn't much care about the bits of lore it got wrong. More than that, it finally got me to finish the Silmarillion, after trying several times (at various ages) and bouncing off it. I also really enjoyed the Rings and Realms podcasts - after all the internet noise, it was a really refreshing change to get an in-depth but relatively dispassionate analysis in which the starting point for any lore discrepancies was 'that's interesting' rather than 'that's wrong with heavy overtones of 'and therefore unforgivable'.
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I don't care that they don't follow the script in the books (given the ponderous nature of the books, they would have to deviate eventually)
I care that they have made something so demonstrably worse. More confusing. Less interesting characters. Less interesting world. Less interesting storylines. More ridiculous tangents. More nonsensical actions by the protagonists. More bad bad dialogue. (At least there is less sniffing and folding arms under breasts, so we have that to be thankful for). If you are going to deviate from the books dramatically, you better make the story better ...this failed at that.
The only thing that being a book reader makes more painful about this series is that I can see the dead ends and issues they are setting up if they ever want to run this more than a few seasons. There is practically no way to return this back and resolve the paradoxes they set up, so we likely are looking at 2-3 seasons of sub par programming, followed by quiet non renewal. What a waste.
I care that they have made something so demonstrably worse. More confusing. Less interesting characters. Less interesting world. Less interesting storylines. More ridiculous tangents. More nonsensical actions by the protagonists. More bad bad dialogue. (At least there is less sniffing and folding arms under breasts, so we have that to be thankful for). If you are going to deviate from the books dramatically, you better make the story better ...this failed at that.
The only thing that being a book reader makes more painful about this series is that I can see the dead ends and issues they are setting up if they ever want to run this more than a few seasons. There is practically no way to return this back and resolve the paradoxes they set up, so we likely are looking at 2-3 seasons of sub par programming, followed by quiet non renewal. What a waste.
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Reading the comments here reminds me what an interesting microcosm the Ars crowd is. I’m not not a WoT book reader, but I am a big fantasy reader (I’m also a big Sanderson fan and have read nearly every one of his non-WoT books from the last couple of decades). As such, I don’t have any preconceived notions of how things should play out. My impression of Season 1 was an enjoyable fantasy experience, if somewhat unremarkable. Season 2, in my view, is starting off pretty good so far. Better than Season 1. Doesn’t look like just me though. Rotten Tomatoes currently has Season 2 at 80% critics and 90% viewers, which is firmly in the “pretty decent” territory and a far cry from the general feeling of this thread.
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perks up Oh... "friend's ship"... I thought someone was out there plugging platonic friendfics and got my hopes up. My sense of betrayal and disappointment in romantically increased adaptations shall continue.
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Semirhage POV talks about how she can use the power to effect specific, intentional changes to parts of the body. When people talk about her being the best healer of the AoL, she was essentially a surgeon of the entire body who could conduct her surgery non-invasively and without having to harm the patient (she did that as an extra). Healing in the AoL could heal a specific part of the body and leave the rest untouched, could re-heal a wound that had already scarred & fully healed on its own (e.g. Semirhage's refused offer to Heal Sammael's facial scar), etc. You are correct about where the strength comes from and the effect that has, but it is very much the case that AoL Healing was able to be much more specific than 3rd Age Aes Sedai Healing. Semirhage is able to stimulate multiple specific parts of a person's brain while deadening others to achieve a specific result, for example.
Unreliable narrators, and Nynaeve in particular has a strong prideful streak. If she can't do it, it can't be done. Ironically, she hates exactly this attitude in other people and it inspires her to get better at healing.
It's partially healed most times. "I've done all that I can", "At least the bleeding had stopped", etc.
About the threads thing we may have to just agree to disagree, we're reading the same sentences and coming to different conclusions and that's fine. You pictured it one way, I pictured it another. One of the many perils of adapting anything is that inevitably there are people for whom what's on screen is exactly like their headcanon, and people for whom it couldn't be further from the truth. Min, Egwene, and Nynaeve for example, look exactly like I pictured them growing up, and I know that's not true for a lot of other book fans I've talked to. Any adaptation has to commit to one specific interpretation of the material and is going to end up different from at least some valid interpretations of said material.
Yeah, this is why the show is adapting the books as a whole series, not individual book by individual book. In practice I think that's going to mean making the first two books' events more Wheel of Time-y, and cutting a lot of books 6-12 to make the remaining 11 books fit into 3-6 seasons of television.
There is at least one instance of them unambiguously changing one of the hard magic rules, in that they intentionally changed it so that being in a circle wasn't a magical protection against being burned out or killed; in the show, you better trust not only the intentions but also the skill of whoever is leading your circle, because if they fuck up it can kill you. In the books you're giving up control of your Power, but as long as the person you're giving them to can be trusted to not literally try and kill or harm you there's no real risk. I don't have a strong opinion about which is better overall, but I think the show version is a lot better for TV. It makes the decision to enter a circle or not much more narratively interesting in a shorter time and gives a way for the audience to easily see and comprehend the trust involved, and what it would mean for different people to get into a circle with each other. I don't view this as a deleterious change to the world, for example.
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My husband desperately wants me to give up and instead have a nice breakfast with him, does that count?
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The books were meh as is the TV show. But I will watch it ( or have it on the tv while I read or surf), mostly out of morbid curiosity.
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Keep your hands away from any sharp blades he is holding... just to be safe.My husband desperately wants me to give up and instead have a nice breakfast with him, does that count?
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And even beyond the impracticalities of turning a many threaded epic like Wheel of Time into something watchable in short seasons, Season 1 was just straight-up trash. It is like someone wrote the screenplay based on what they remember of watching a local production of a Wheel of Time play. And they needed to make it more YA, so everyone wants to or is boning each other.
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Absolutely! The show should be nothing but a 15-hour scrolling of the text of the books onscreen, like the Star Wars intros, except longer and in a different font! I vote "Papyrus."
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