Analysis of Texas measles outbreak shows just how dangerous virus is

The Lurker Beneath

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Yeah, there's something strange going on. It looks rather like the adjuvants in some vaccines seem to have some sort of benefit beyond the vaccine they were used with, but this hasn't been confirmed yet.

That idea has been in the air lately, partly in the context of dementia (see here: https://meincmagazine.com/health/2026...isk-experts-have-startling-hypothesis-on-how/ .) Though I don't think the thought is fixated on the adjuvants as such - it could be an effect of vaccination itself.
 
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This is US health care, so I presume the patient or patient's family does.

Were I an insurance company, I'd pay for the measles shot, and for any person who had one who gets it. But I'd let those who refused to get it, or whose parents (who would be financially liable for a case where a child got it) refused to have their kid immunized pay the full and complete costs themselves.

No remediation through bankruptcy, either. They are on the hook for failing to get a vaccine if they end up contracting it and needing medical care.

Make those who refuse vaccinations fully responsible for the financial costs, up to and including seizing property to sell at auction.

Being a citizen of, or even a visitor to, this country comes with a civil responsibility to safeguard others from preventable illness. Break that covenant, and pay the fuck up for it.

THEN let's see how long this "it's just a rash" bullshit lasts.

(Oh, and I'd do this for every kind of preventable illness, with the only exceptions being a medically verified test/incident that makes a specific vaccine contraindicated for that individual.)

I have no fucks to give what you want to believe. I do take issue if your beliefs make you hazardous to society. You do have the option to avoid any modern health care, and keep from spreading it (since doing either would create a civil, fiscal liability for you), but if you want to suffer in a cave with no one around, hey, knock yourself out. The smell of your decomposing body will ensure your remains aren't disturbed for a while, too.
"Being a citizen of, or even a visitor to, this country comes with a civil responsibility to safeguard others from preventable illness."

Absurd! This is seditious thinking! Don't you understand that the single-most American core value is the selfish concern for one's self and that greed, ignorance, and selfishness drives American-style capitalism? "Civil responsibility to safeguard others"? What kind of foolishness is this!? You need to be rehabilitated, if it's not too late.
 
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courtneych

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In most U.S. states, and also under Obamacare, medical insurance companies may charge up to 50% higher premiums to smokers vs. non smokers. They should be allowed to do the same for people who refuse vaccination absent a valid medical reason or, alternatively, deny coverage of medical expenses for any disease for which a vaccine was available but refused absent a valid medical reason. Why should I have to pay a higher premium to help my insurance company cover avoidable losses caused by stupid people?
 
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I once had to work backstage at a Tim Allen standup, back before COVID. And I did actually have to pay attention to the man and the act...50 straight minutes of him carrying on about how great life in the 1950s was.

Note....he was born in 1953. So he was at most 7 years old during that time he was carrying on about how great life was. Which, yea. When you have your parents paying for your room/board and loving you, life is pretty great. But that is called being 7 years old--not living in the 1950s.


Somehow the stereotypical “good ol days” crowd never realizes that. It’s like they genuinely believe their subjective childhood experience is a record of objective reality in the world at that time.

Stuff like Jim Crow laws, segregation and Mcarthyism? Always downplayed or ignored.
 
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Madestjohn

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Somehow the stereotypical “good ol days” crowd never realizes that. It’s like they genuinely believe their subjective childhood experience is a record of objective reality in the world at that time.

Stuff like Jim Crow laws, segregation and Mcarthyism? Always downplayed or ignored.
Don’t forget all the lynchings
 
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Why is this happening? This is a solved problem.
Decades of anti-government rhetoric, entrenchment of conspiracy theorizing, social media disease, and general dipshittery.

The US spent the better part of 15 years marinating in its own adrenaline and cortisol after 9/11 because we had no fucking sense of perspective, and we're just primed for "they're out to git ya"-type thinking.

I discovered today that a non-trivial number of people are apparently convinced that a recent appearance by Robert Harward on FOX News was some other dude wearing a mask Mission: Impossible!-style because of a weird shadow around his neck. The obvious, logical explanation - bad lighting and video compression - must be wrong and it's really Tom Cruise or somebody cosplaying as this dude because ... well, because it's FOX News, because Trump, because aliens, because some batshit reason.

Our brains are broken right now, and short of spiking the national water supply with Xanax and making everyone take a nap for a month, I don't know that they can be fixed.
 
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“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”​

― Isaac Asimov
The full article by Asimov is worth reading. Its just as applicable today as it was then, and will probably continue to be for as long as humans exist.

https://aphelis.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/ASIMOV_1980_Cult_of_Ignorance.pdf
 
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Always remember: Right now many places in the USA still have enough vaccinations for herd immunity, and many have close to enough. Not quite, but enough to prevent a really major outbreak. If vaccinations go below 50%, the unvaccinated are in real trouble, and many vaccinated with a bit of bad luck get sick.
 
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Waiting for leprosy to make a comeback! Smallpox, too!
If it wasn't for the innocent kids getting hurt the most I would love it if Russia has another lab accident involving smallpox.
Fatality rates that high would take a good chunk of that nutjobs out of the genepool.
 
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Basil Wrathbone

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A great aunt of mine attended school in McLean Virginia in 1954, where the first double blind field trial of the Salk polio vaccine was conducted. Her parents signed her and her sister up with great hope, but when she contracted polio the next year, it became clear my aunt had received the placebo. She was caught in the tail end of the 1952-53 outbreak of 93,000 cases. She spent the rest of her life in a wheelchair, and died at age 43 when her pained, damaged body just wore out.

We do not have a right to contract a contagious preventable illness. Those who doe so are attacking public health, and should be treated the same as any terrorist who blows up a train station or hijacks an aircraft. If you get measles because you chose not be vaccinated, you're an idiot. But when you pass it on to someone else, you're a criminal.
 
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