2016 Elections, Part One

[Faramir]

Belisarius[/url]":2wpedfhz]

Andara[/url]":2wpedfhz]

HappyBunny[/url]":2wpedfhz]Yeah, it's just a nonsensical comment. I can't even figure out what point he's really trying to make there. Opposing a candidate is nothing like opposing the voting rights of the candidate's supporters.

Even actively opposing the current actions of the supporters still doesn't mean opposing their voting rights. It's a stunningly terrible comment.

Did he think it made a good point or something?

I know he's the Internet's darling, but frankly, I've always felt like Tyson is a bit of a hack. He seems far too eager to get his face in front of a camera at every opportunity.

You must not fucking love science. Shame on you.

 

[Shavano]

Faramir[/url]":2six7w1n]

Belisarius[/url]":2six7w1n]

Andara[/url]":2six7w1n]

HappyBunny[/url]":2six7w1n]Yeah, it's just a nonsensical comment. I can't even figure out what point he's really trying to make there. Opposing a candidate is nothing like opposing the voting rights of the candidate's supporters.

Even actively opposing the current actions of the supporters still doesn't mean opposing their voting rights. It's a stunningly terrible comment.

Did he think it made a good point or something?

I know he's the Internet's darling, but frankly, I've always felt like Tyson is a bit of a hack. He seems far too eager to get his face in front of a camera at every opportunity.

You must not fucking love science. Shame on you.

Faramir wins top Forum post for the day, I think.

 

[Drew J]

Edit: Yep, wrong thread.

 

[Alamout]

Wrong thread?

 

[targetnovember]

It's alright he's out of practice

 

[elpolloloco51]

A heckler today at Marco Rubio's rally stood up and said "Marco Rubio stole my girlfriend". Hilarious!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPNNZtfkdr0

 

[spoof]

Trump says he may pay legal fees of supporter who sucker-punched protester at rally

inching towards fascism.

Leave the man alone. It's a dirty job wrecking the national credibility of a Grand Old Party, and it takes a dirty person to do it.

It's like Mike Rowe down in the sewer with the six inch hose, there's going to be shit all over the place.

 

[tjones2]

HappyBunny[/url]":c1rbmf8x]

Neil deGrasse Tyson posted:

People who are anti-Trump are actually anti-Trump supporters — they oppose free citizens voting for the @realDonaldTrump.

https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/708817118150537216

The thread is amusing; so much "No! How did you betray us!"

If I'm understanding his tweet correctly, it's stupid commentary. Anti-Trump protestors don't actually oppose the voting rights of Trump supporters. If he just means the protestors would prefer people not vote for Trump, then it's a trivial nonstatement.

Being an astrophysicist doesn't make his opinions on other matters any more authoritative than anyone else's. His immediately prior tweets about biology are another good example of that.

Yeah, it's just a nonsensical comment. I can't even figure out what point he's really trying to make there. Opposing a candidate is nothing like opposing the voting rights of the candidate's supporters.

Yah. I can't parse what that tweet is supposed to be about. On first glance I thought it was a sarcastic jab at Trump supporters, but it seems like he meant it to say something. Just goes to show that Twitter is a bad medium to share complex ideas.

He might be criticizing the people who engaged in violence/intimidation at the Trump rally in Chicago -- in which case there might be a garbled version of a good point there but still

 

[Deleted member 14629]

I'm a bit flabbergasted at Trump blaming Sanders for the violence at his rallies. I've really wanted to avoid "Hitler" comments because I think it detracts from real conversation about the scarily authoritarian streak Trump seems to be bringing out in people, but blaming a Jew for issues you created? It's kinda hard not to go there.

 

[StarSeeker]

Happysin[/url]":3p26j0vd]I'm a bit flabbergasted at Trump blaming Sanders for the violence at his rallies. I've really wanted to avoid "Hitler" comments because I think it detracts from real conversation about the scarily authoritarian streak Trump seems to be bringing out in people, but blaming a Jew for issues you created? It's kinda hard not to go there.

I don't know, Trump isn't blaming him because he's a Jew though is he? That's sort of a big difference. Blaming somebody who happens to be a Jew but is also on the other side, and blaming somebody BECAUSE they are a Jew.

 

[spoof]

I'm a bit flabbergasted at Trump blaming Sanders for the violence at his rallies. I've really wanted to avoid "Hitler" comments because I think it detracts from real conversation about the scarily authoritarian streak Trump seems to be bringing out in people, but blaming a Jew for issues you created? It's kinda hard not to go there.

This "Hitler projection" is getting fucking ridiculous. He needed someone to deflect blame onto, why he picked Sanders? Who knows.

Rubio blamed Obama for the protest. Obama is a black man "from" Chicago.

Does that make Rubio the Grand Wizard of the KKK? No, he's just another lame ass Republican with a "blame Obama" talking point routine embedded in the chip in his head.

 

[Alamout]

StarSeeker[/url]":1jd51py7]I don't know, Trump isn't blaming him because he's a Jew though is he? That's sort of a big difference. Blaming somebody who happens to be a Jew but is also on the other side, and blaming somebody BECAUSE they are a Jew.

The first one is typically how one would get to the second one in time.

In any case I thought the Sanders campaign had a pretty good response to the threats. Not that it'll make a difference.

 

[Hinton]

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Hillary Clinton on Sanders: "I don't know where he was when I was trying to get healthcare in '93 and '94".

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Sorry if I'm repeating something. But yeah. I guess Hillary Clintons opinion of where Sanders were has evolved over time.

 

[tjones2]

Alamout[/url]":1oiv7d4n]

In any case I thought the Sanders campaign had a pretty good response to the threats. Not that it'll make a difference.

That photo of the Tweet is a photoshop, not a real tweet sent out by the Sanders campaign.

 

[spoof]

People raised their hands in the air in a silly impromptu pledge, a photo was taken...Hitler.

A silly woman raised he arm in the air in a mock Nazi salute, on purpose, just to be a goofball...Hitler.

Dumbass Donald blames his campaign rally disruptions on Sanders, a Jew so...Hitler.

A convention is held in Cleveland and they will nominate...Hitler.

But the big question will be, can we trust Hitler more than Hillary?

 

[hamete]

Alamout[/url]":1zpkl7uq]

StarSeeker[/url]":1zpkl7uq]I don't know, Trump isn't blaming him because he's a Jew though is he? That's sort of a big difference. Blaming somebody who happens to be a Jew but is also on the other side, and blaming somebody BECAUSE they are a Jew.

The first one is typically how one would get to the second one in time.

Isn't that a perfect example of an actual slippery slope? Trump is not allowed to blame Bernie, regardless of the reasoning, because Bernie happens to be a non-practicing Jew and that's the first step to blaming someone BECAUSE they are Jew?

 

[Alexander]

spoof[/url]":2aat9vrz]People raised their hands in the air in a silly impromptu pledge, a photo was taken...Hitler.

A silly woman raised he arm in the air in a mock Nazi salute, on purpose, just to be a goofball...Hitler.

Dumbass Donald blames his campaign rally disruptions on Sanders, a Jew so...Hitler.

A convention is held in Cleveland and they will nominate...Hitler.

But the big question will be, can we trust Hitler more than Hillary?

Neil deGrasse Tyson?

 

[spoof]

spoof[/url]":ww01b80l]People raised their hands in the air in a silly impromptu pledge, a photo was taken...Hitler.

A silly woman raised he arm in the air in a mock Nazi salute, on purpose, just to be a goofball...Hitler.

Dumbass Donald blames his campaign rally disruptions on Sanders, a Jew so...Hitler.

A convention is held in Cleveland and they will nominate...Hitler.

But the big question will be, can we trust Hitler more than Hillary?

Neil deGrasse Tyson?

We have to "science the shit out of this".

It's the GOP's turn in the barrel again for this cycle, and they deserve it. They got nuthin' when it comes to their ultimate leader cult position, they know it, and the evidence supports it, you have successive 12 and 17 passenger clown car fields, and there's enough "vacuum" there for long enough to pull in a rogue object, especially when there's no incumbent President. IOW, they've been sucking mightily for a long time.

Then on to the Democrats aka, the "moderate" Republicans. But not just yet, it's taken 8 years to clean up from the last Republican debacle, and the legacy of that will never be fully "cleaned up" for some time to come.

 

[Alamout]

hamete[/url]":3u0qpvef]

Alamout[/url]":3u0qpvef]

StarSeeker[/url]":3u0qpvef]I don't know, Trump isn't blaming him because he's a Jew though is he? That's sort of a big difference. Blaming somebody who happens to be a Jew but is also on the other side, and blaming somebody BECAUSE they are a Jew.

The first one is typically how one would get to the second one in time.

Isn't that a perfect example of an actual slippery slope? Trump is not allowed to blame Bernie, regardless of the reasoning, because Bernie happens to be a non-practicing Jew and that's the first step to blaming someone BECAUSE they are Jew?

No one said Trump isn't allowed to blame Bernie (well, except that he shouldn't because it's idiotic and a total lie). Happysin (and others) are pointing out the parallel, as if there weren't already enough "Trump is acting a lot like Hitler" stories right now.

 

[bombcar]

Trump is certainly energetic. He's doing 2-3 rallies a day!

 

[Alamout]

tjones2[/url]":4tozwohm]

Alamout[/url]":4tozwohm]
In any case I thought the Sanders campaign had a pretty good response to the threats. Not that it'll make a difference.

That photo of the Tweet is a photoshop, not a real tweet sent out by the Sanders campaign.

Oh, that's too bad.

 

[spoof]

Trump is certainly energetic. He's doing 2-3 rallies a day!

He must spend more on jet fuel and paraphernalia than TV ads.

 

[DrPizza]

Does she mean she literally didn't know where he was, or is she pointing out that Sanders has basically nothing to show for his time in congress, unless you like renaming post offices?

 

[Alamout]

DrPizza[/url]":7et4sjwu]Does she mean she literally didn't know where he was, or is she pointing out that Sanders has basically nothing to show for his time in congress, unless you like renaming post offices?

To be fair to Sanders I believe he has a reasonably long list of significant amendments to his name.

The vast majority of the bills Congress passes are on the order of "renaming post offices". I don't think Obama or Clinton had particularly impressive records when they were in the Senate, because very few politicians do.

 

[spoof]

Renaming Post Offices-the essence of "limited" Federal government.

 

[SandyTech]

DrPizza[/url]":2b1ql5a7]Does she mean she literally didn't know where he was, or is she pointing out that Sanders has basically nothing to show for his time in congress, unless you like renaming post offices?

Quick totally OT asside, when I first read this, I thought you'd said reanimating post offices,and I was trying to figure out who the fuck you reanimate a post office. One hell of a seance I guess.

As far as Clinton's point RE Sanders on health care, I have a feeling its the latter.

Given the amount of early voting that seems to go on in Florida (anecdotal I know but everyone I've spoken to has already cast their ballots), how will that impact the pronunciations come Tuesday?

 

[Hinton]

DrPizza[/url]":1jzb8ox3]Does she mean she literally didn't know where he was, or is she pointing out that Sanders has basically nothing to show for his time in congress, unless you like renaming post offices?

In response to my post?

She sent him a hand written thank you note for his help on the precise issue she claimed he wasn't present for, on a picture of them debating (possible on that issue, or she just used another random picture of them together.).

 

[spoof]

Quick totally OT asside, when I first read this, I thought you'd said reanimating post offices,and I was trying to figure out who the fuck you reanimate a post office. One hell of a seance I guess.

If certain people of the "free market libertopian" persuasion had their way, they'd be dead as quickly as possible, and the service would be entirely privatized.

There is a Constitutional mandate for the government to provide a postal service, but really nothing that says it couldn't be farmed out to UPS or FedEx or a party to be named later.

 

[bombcar]

Quick totally OT aside, when I first read this, I thought you'd said reanimating post offices,and I was trying to figure out who the fuck you reanimate a post office. One hell of a seance I guess.

Isn't that what Trump's doing to the Old Post Office in DC?

https://www.trumphotelcollection.com/wa ... mation.php

 

[wco81]

NY Times traces the rise of Donald Trump. He's been cultivating conservatives for at least 5 years, in an effort to be taken seriously.

Republicans took his money but didn't really want to be seen in public with him. Trump boasted that Romney would have gotten on his knees. Turns out they really didn't want to deal with him but figured "what the hell, lets use him for fundraising."

Romney campaign vetoed the suggestion that they campaign together. They limited been associated with him as much as possible.

The Party as a whole figured they'd milk him for the money but didn't anticipate he'd be running until very recently. And then when he did announce, they dismissed his early lead in the polls as name recognition. However Trump had been testing these themes, about immigration and trade protectionism, in addresses he gave in IA, NH and SC, through a conservative group.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/us/po ... .html?_r=0

 

[bombcar]

It goes back further than that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZpMJeynBeg

 

[random_slacker]

wco81[/url]":2g1h6ziw]NY Times traces the rise of Donald Trump. He's been cultivating conservatives for at least 5 years, in an effort to be taken seriously.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/us/po ... .html?_r=0

NY Times takes Trump very seriously.
They even have an article how to talk to your kids about Donald Trump without scarring them for life.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/11/us/po ... -kids.html

 

[DrPizza]

Hinton[/url]":1if4iby9]

DrPizza[/url]":1if4iby9]Does she mean she literally didn't know where he was, or is she pointing out that Sanders has basically nothing to show for his time in congress, unless you like renaming post offices?

In response to my post?

She sent him a hand written thank you note for his help on the precise issue she claimed he wasn't present for, on a picture of them debating (possible on that issue, or she just used another random picture of them together.).

OK, but that's not the point.

He was in the house between 1991 and 2007, and in the senate from 2007 to the present day. Until the passing of the Affordable Care Act in 2010, what specific measures to significantly expand the availability of healthcare to the American population was Sanders instrumental in creating and passing?

HillaryCare is similar in many important elements to the ACA, and Hillary remarked on several occasions at how it drove home the importance of ensuring that changes were palatable to congress, even if this meant taking multiple small steps instead of fewer large ones. Has Bernie learned any similar lessons? He's had two and a half decades in congress--what has he been doing to lay the groundwork for healthcare reform and make America better?

 

[bombcar]

He's had two and a half decades in congress--what has he been doing to lay the groundwork for healthcare reform and make America better?

I think you're from the UK, so you may be under the misunderstanding that our Congress is like Parliament, where elected leaders work with each other to get things done. Sadly, all our Senators and Representatives do is wait around until it's time to pull the level and vote the party line, if they even bother to show up.

 

[spoof]

bombcar[/url]":2ss2hqzv]It goes back further than that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZpMJeynBeg

Plenty of Trump worshipers in those comments as well. That was 1988, prior to the election that year, and you can see Trump was already quite famous, hanging with Oprah just helped to propagate the whole "wealth and fame" culture of the 1980s.

He was obviously for trade protectionism and tariffs then, but the trend has been in the opposite direction for a good while now.

Notice how gracious he was in favoring anyone to win the election that year? They were all doing "terrific". Hedging his bets, biding his time, and his time is now. After all, he ain't getting any younger, there's no incumbent to run against, and the GOP field of candidates for the Presidency has grown more numerous and yet weaker at the same time.

Their "deep bench" of clowns finally led to a hostile takeover. By perhaps the biggest clown of all.

 

[wco81]

He may have talked about tariffs back then but when it came time to make a line of Trump branded merchandise, he cut deals to have the products made in the cheapest foreign factories he could find.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

 

[bombcar]

wco81[/url]":30jrduf6]He may have talked about tariffs back then but when it came time to make a line of Trump branded merchandise, he cut deals to have the products made in the cheapest foreign factories he could find.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

Is he a dumb businessman or a smart businessman? I'm losing track.

 

[spoof]

wco81[/url]":1lf3hkc9]He may have talked about tariffs back then but when it came time to make a line of Trump branded merchandise, he cut deals to have the products made in the cheapest foreign factories he could find.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

Is he a dumb businessman or a smart businessman? I'm losing track.

He's good at telling other people how to run their business. Which means as President, he'll be good at telling other countries how to run their business. But then, who knows, he might play a round of golf with them and tell them they're "terrific" partners.

 

[bombcar]

All I know is he seems to have picked up the business of "Running for President" and is doing pretty well at that one.

 

[spoof]

bombcar[/url]":2zeg8rvc]All I know is he seems to have picked up the business of "Running for President" and is doing pretty well at that one.

Better than Jeb Bush anyway, and at far less cost as well.