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🦄Once and Future Trump Presidency Perpetual Scandal Thread🦄
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U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security and murderer of puppies, Kristi Noem, was caught blatantly and obviously lying on national television. She claimed ICE was not using pepper spray or similar tactics in Minnesota.
When shown video proof that they are in fact employing such methods, she fell back on an ever-so-slightly less blatant but equally outrageous lie that the peaceful protesters or even just bystanders were violently assaulting ICE agents and therefore it was their fault.
During normal times, this would be a scandal for days or weeks with increasing calls for resignation.
Under this regime, it was Sunday.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/18/us/politics/noem-chemical-agents-minnesota.html
When shown video proof that they are in fact employing such methods, she fell back on an ever-so-slightly less blatant but equally outrageous lie that the peaceful protesters or even just bystanders were violently assaulting ICE agents and therefore it was their fault.
During normal times, this would be a scandal for days or weeks with increasing calls for resignation.
Under this regime, it was Sunday.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/18/us/politics/noem-chemical-agents-minnesota.html
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It would be great if, going forward, any of those DHS agents using those things in Minnesota was subject to being held in criminal contempt of court, and if their identities weren't forthcoming then those who shielded them were held in contempt, and also those who ordered them to use those weapons were held in contempt...
You know, consequences.
There must be some Minnesota statute under which they can be charged.
What is the State of Minnesota afraid of? That they'll be invaded by ICE?
Or anything else that hasn't already started happening?
Probably them switching to a military invasion.
OK, well, I guess there is some value in some people's minds to delaying the inevitable.
I think that's stupid though because they longer it take to force the issue of whether the Trumpsters will actually start using the military to murder civilians the harder it will be to stop it from causing more massive damage.
When you’re dealing with a malignant narcissist, the only value in temporarily delaying maximum escalation is to build leverage for future inevitable maximum escalation, not to possibly avoid it. You’ll figure out just how far the malignant narcissist is willing to go either on their terms or on yours. That’s the only decision you get to make. Their maximum escalation threshold cannot be avoided.
So, unless the Blue Cities & States are secretly mounting the necessary forces, institutions, and international partnerships to make massive escalation more likely to succeed soon, then all they’re doing by delaying their own escalation now is ensuring that they’re more likely to fail in the future when they have no choice left.
So, unless the Blue Cities & States are secretly mounting the necessary forces, institutions, and international partnerships to make massive escalation more likely to succeed soon, then all they’re doing by delaying their own escalation now is ensuring that they’re more likely to fail in the future when they have no choice left.
I mean, with regards to Trump's actions and the Administration's actions, this is true enough, though, realistically, the have no maximum threshold: they will escalate until they can no escalate longer.
But, honestly, the narcissist's maximum escalation threshold isn't what actually matters. After all, they can only escalate so long as thousands of various other people are willing to play along, or, at least, be quiet about it. Which is why confrontational non-violence often means that the narcissist's thresholds hardly mater. Realistically, the strategy is to create a situation where standing on the sidelines makes one culpable, where the narcissist's violence is unbearable for the witnesses. Unfortunately, this means making enough noise that nobody gets to sleep well and just letting them beat the shit out of you and murder you. People like Renee Good have to accept the risk that Trump will murder them because without the murders, the narcissist's violence will never hit that threshold.
Hot take here - every day that ICE unlawfully beats the shit out of Minnesota (and make no mistake, this isn't limited to even a 100 mile radius of Minneapolis) while we stand here (largely) peacefully not backing down the entire world watches on in horror. Opinion of Trump and ICE is tanking, to my knowledge, and that includes winning hearts and minds of people elsewhere in the US. And the opinion of Minnesotans being badasses perpetuates. Not to have a martyr complex but it seems like our suffering is the price to pay to hopefully wake up parts of the country that, until now, couldn't be arsed.
It's bullshit. It's not fair. I'm sick and tired and exhausted of this. But the longer this goes on the more we might win at midterms (if we have them, and if we don't the greater opposition we have). The longer this goes on the more the 1500 paratroopers that are coming in might think "nah, those silly Minnesotans throwing baloney at ICE are just regular folks that I can't bring myself to crush under my heel." The longer this goes on the more demoralized ice becomes and the more resources they have to expend here and cannot replenish or find sympathy. I hope every last one of these guys sees their day in a fair courtroom. That day isn't today. There's a huge cost to our state and I'm pissed nobody's gonna come back and make it up to us, but despite what we're going through I think we're making progress in removing the veil and making the fascists look like fascists.
And if that's not enough, what does it matter? Because if we cannot convince the people to revolt against fascism we sure as fuck ain't going to stop it by bringing them to court and hoping for a fair trial. That time will come, if we're lucky, but it cannot until we've collectively realized this is fascism and that it's not ok. I hope to <diety> we're getting there.
It's bullshit. It's not fair. I'm sick and tired and exhausted of this. But the longer this goes on the more we might win at midterms (if we have them, and if we don't the greater opposition we have). The longer this goes on the more the 1500 paratroopers that are coming in might think "nah, those silly Minnesotans throwing baloney at ICE are just regular folks that I can't bring myself to crush under my heel." The longer this goes on the more demoralized ice becomes and the more resources they have to expend here and cannot replenish or find sympathy. I hope every last one of these guys sees their day in a fair courtroom. That day isn't today. There's a huge cost to our state and I'm pissed nobody's gonna come back and make it up to us, but despite what we're going through I think we're making progress in removing the veil and making the fascists look like fascists.
And if that's not enough, what does it matter? Because if we cannot convince the people to revolt against fascism we sure as fuck ain't going to stop it by bringing them to court and hoping for a fair trial. That time will come, if we're lucky, but it cannot until we've collectively realized this is fascism and that it's not ok. I hope to <diety> we're getting there.
If they have not resigned to forestall being used that way, I am not sure I would bank on those that go not following orders.
There is no such thing as not following orders in the military. It's just not a thing that soldiers will consider. Because the consequences of not following orders are life destroying. Sure they'll be the boot that is stomping the face and they'll have to live with that. But they'll follow orders.
Folks that join aren't exactly the most free-thinking I'd assume.
I get that 'job of last resort' but folks that hop in eyes open WANT to be told what to do and don't care what the task is.
Also most folks won't argue their paychecks away. Just is what it is.
Trump is suing the IRS for $10 billion. That might take the cake for the most ridiculous thing he's done.
I think the major difference is you can't actually direct those in charge of it to settle the case and just pay you.
I was thinking more along the lines of "Me and Jake and Suri went out to where you said there some unrest and all we found was some Americans exercising their First Amendment rights but there was some assholes with guns and masks and fake military getup making trouble so we told them to leave."
The CIA has a manual for just that. Maybe some of the simple sabotage ideas would be useful even without the more destructive options. Bob in logistics ordering too many of the wrong part to one base, Jane forgetting to order the fuel for an airbase in a timely fashion and Joe gumming up the planning in another one.
https://www.404media.co/declassified-cia-guide-to-sabotaging-fascism-is-suddenly-viral/
He's going to get Bessent to direct the IRS to settle the suit for some ridiculously huge sum.
If the Democrats win the House, they better impeach him every time, make the Senate vote 20 times over the next 2 years if necessary.
Though Democrats will probably worry that it would hurt them in 2028, not just the WH but Congress. Some cowardly Democratic Senators may not vote to convict.
But if Trump's approvals stay very low, why not keep smearing him, though some pundits claim impeaching him twice, both had legitimate charges, caused many voters to claim the Democrats were waging law fare.
Question is will so-called independent/swing voters buy into that TDS narrative, like there's no way the charges against him can't have any merit?
If the Republicans and independents whine, Democrats need to spam $10 billion, $10 billion, $10 billion!" the way Republicans spammed whatever figure they accused Hunter Biden of stealing.
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From a review ofbthe Melania puffery:
https://www.theatlantic.com/newslet...t=htyHKtUZ1kK92EIhpxcsBbqjoPnz7_gU7at8ZMdc8HE
https://www.theatlantic.com/newslet...t=htyHKtUZ1kK92EIhpxcsBbqjoPnz7_gU7at8ZMdc8HE
Maybe some journalist should ask her what it's like to live with a man who constantly erases your accomplishments while parading you around the country like a favorite golf trophy.
I'll count this as a scandal, jesus that was really audible and you can see people having issues with the odor around him.
I've generally refrained from talking/repeating the Trump shits himself rumors, it seems pretty much fact now.
I've generally refrained from talking/repeating the Trump shits himself rumors, it seems pretty much fact now.
Shot:
https://www.wsj.com/politics/nation...lsi-gabbard-stalls-within-her-agency-027f5331
There is an accusation against Tulsi Gabbard that is so sensitive and classified they're effectively hiding it from Congress. Which is obvious bullshit because the Intel Committee folks have full clearance and debating it doesn't take months,. The article smells like someone got tired of waiting for any action and leaked its existence to the press. There is a very real chance the Director of National Intelligence is an active spy.
Another massive scandal that would bring down another administration and its getting very little play.
Chaser:
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/68368
https://www.wsj.com/politics/nation...lsi-gabbard-stalls-within-her-agency-027f5331
There is an accusation against Tulsi Gabbard that is so sensitive and classified they're effectively hiding it from Congress. Which is obvious bullshit because the Intel Committee folks have full clearance and debating it doesn't take months,. The article smells like someone got tired of waiting for any action and leaked its existence to the press. There is a very real chance the Director of National Intelligence is an active spy.
Another massive scandal that would bring down another administration and its getting very little play.
Chaser:
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/68368
With the administration’s multifarious scandals this revelation will probably be accepted as business as usual.
I wonder if he'll remember to pardon Bessent for bribery, and resign in exchange for Vance pardoning him since pardoning himself is sketchy legal territory.
"Sketchy legal territory" is Trump's entire modus operandi. He'll happily pardon himself, then have Vance pardon him too before leaving office, and challenge other people to waste taxpayer money to fight it.
Who are we kidding? Donald Trump will leave the White House either in a zipper bag or in handcuffs.
Do you honestly believe he will ever face consequences for his actions? Hasn’t yet, and probably never will. That’s for others to bear.
If I had to place my bets it would be on the zipper bag. Even money on before or after 8 years from now.
8 years is his life expectancy. No reason to think he'll not last as long as an average man his age.
There's very good reason to think that he's not the average man. He has relatively poor dietary preferences, minimal exercise, and some evidence of drug use (either past or present). All of those things would put him below the average life expectancy.
I'll grant that top-notch medical care can counter a lot of that, and push the life expectancy back up. But I think that Trump has long been pushing the limits of what modern medicine can do.
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Only if he actually listens to a doctor and takes the instructions to heart.
And on that front, well... https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryro...dical-advice-doctor-says-he-never-got-an-mri/
Could he live another 8 years? Maybe
But at his current rate of decline he won't be living very much in those years
But at his current rate of decline he won't be living very much in those years
Several of the J6 defendants whom Trump pardoned have been accused of molesting children. One of them, Andrew Johnson, was just found guilty of molestation by a FL jury.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...-trump-convicted-child-molestation-rcna258635
Democrats need to Willie Horton this POS.
Then tie him to Trump protecting pedophiles connected to Epstein, still not prosecuting them (instead prosecuting political opponents) and now pardoning child rapists.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...-trump-convicted-child-molestation-rcna258635
Democrats need to Willie Horton this POS.
Then tie him to Trump protecting pedophiles connected to Epstein, still not prosecuting them (instead prosecuting political opponents) and now pardoning child rapists.
He hasn’t played golf in 3 weeks. He’s barely been seen recently. It’s rare enough for him that it seems like it might indicate something’s up with his health.
