“Robotaxi” and “Cybercab” are too unoriginal to trademark, USPTO tells Tesla

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Soooo… here’s the piece I don’t get. If Elon had gone all in on LIDAR in the beginning with the same approach he brought to batteries - iterative improvement, own the manufacturing process, make building the things super efficient - he’d have relatively inexpensive LIDAR that he could make a selling point in all his vehicles. That would substantially improve FSD for an investment that’s a drop in the bucket relative to Tesla’s valuation. His intransigence on LIDAR is just baffling.
 
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Soooo… here’s the piece I don’t get. If Elon had gone all in on LIDAR in the beginning with the same approach he brought to batteries - iterative improvement, own the manufacturing process, make building the things super efficient - he’d have relatively inexpensive LIDAR that he could make a selling point in all his vehicles. That would substantially improve FSD for an investment that’s a drop in the bucket relative to Tesla’s valuation. His intransigence on LIDAR is just baffling.
That would require he do the most disgraceful thing he can imagine: admit he wasn't the smartest guy in the room that one time.

Ah who am I kidding, he could just deny ever saying vision only was the way to go and his sycophants would echo it endlessly.
 
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Soooo… here’s the piece I don’t get. If Elon had gone all in on LIDAR in the beginning with the same approach he brought to batteries - iterative improvement, own the manufacturing process, make building the things super efficient - he’d have relatively inexpensive LIDAR that he could make a selling point in all his vehicles. That would substantially improve FSD for an investment that’s a drop in the bucket relative to Tesla’s valuation. His intransigence on LIDAR is just baffling.
When Musk doubled down on lack of Lidar is when I realized Tesla is going to get passed up by all the others when it comes to self driving and then by extension just Tesla in general by other electric cars. And look, here we are.
 
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Next month, Tesla intends to deploy the two-seat EVs to Austin, Texas. The vehicles lack an actual steering wheel, so they won't conduct this testing with human safety operators on board

I feel so sorry for the people of Austin. I suspect they're quite unaware that a billionaire has determined their lives to be expendable.
 
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Soooo… here’s the piece I don’t get. If Elon had gone all in on LIDAR in the beginning with the same approach he brought to batteries - iterative improvement, own the manufacturing process, make building the things super efficient - he’d have relatively inexpensive LIDAR that he could make a selling point in all his vehicles. That would substantially improve FSD for an investment that’s a drop in the bucket relative to Tesla’s valuation. His intransigence on LIDAR is just baffling.

He's an engineering genius, you couldn't possibly understand his reasoning. /s
 
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Vaportaxi probably more accurate. The Austin launch is supposed to happen in June, is there any indication that Tesla has any actual vehicles for this?
First of all there are a couple of videos online showing a purported Robotaxi driving autonomously around part of a Tesla campus in TX. Except they're drone videos, so no close ups. And from what you can see, all the windows in the Robotaxi are blacked out, so you have no idea what is going on inside the cabin.

One thing I noted in a previous Tesla story, is that if this Robotaxi is able to drive fully autonomously in June, then FSD should also be operational for every Tesla that bought that option (of at least supports the same hardware as the Robotaxi). Such an accomplishment would be ground breaking. Yet there is nary a comment from Tesla about this. Given the lack of press releases from Tesla, I suspect that points to the actual state of things.
 
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Who's taking the bets that Trump will order USPTO to issue the patent to help out his little autistic billionaire buddie? Also what are the odds that this then begins a legal battle ultimately headed to SCOTUS?
Oh yeah, no, we're not doing this. We have no idea whether Musk is autistic to any degree at all, and if he is, that has no relevance to his business decisions, deceptive and fraudulent business practices, or radical politics.
 
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Snark218

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Soooo… here’s the piece I don’t get. If Elon had gone all in on LIDAR in the beginning with the same approach he brought to batteries - iterative improvement, own the manufacturing process, make building the things super efficient - he’d have relatively inexpensive LIDAR that he could make a selling point in all his vehicles. That would substantially improve FSD for an investment that’s a drop in the bucket relative to Tesla’s valuation. His intransigence on LIDAR is just baffling.
There's a point in his life when he might have. But at this point, his ego is so destabilized by wealth, power, and isolation from anybody willing to call bullshit on him that he cannot possibly admit error, fault, or mistake in any way. If he said no part is the best part, and vision is the only and best way, he cannot bring himself to backtrack on that.

Same reason the Cybertruck looks like that, and Robotaxi is so manifestly unsuited to actual taxi service; once he has committed publicly to something, the humiliation of reversing course is too unbearable to consider, and he has to ride the tiger - even though he had plenty of chances not to hop on its back at all.
 
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Who's taking the bets that Trump will order USPTO to issue the patent to help out his little autistic billionaire buddie? Also what are the odds that this then begins a legal battle ultimately headed to SCOTUS?

It's not a patent, it's a trademark application. They're basically two completely different things.
 
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Then again, perhaps as boss of DOGE, Musk will just use his "special government employee" status to bring the USPTO to heel, purging it of the experts needed to regulate his business, just as he did at NHTSA.

I remember people saying back in the old days of... checks calendar November that Musk couldn't be corrupt because he had all the money he could ever want.
 
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I remember people saying back in the old days of... checks calendar November that Musk couldn't be corrupt because he had all the money he could ever want.

1 he can always want more (money, blondes, poor kids born of his lechery that he schlepps everywhere, even to the effin white house) and 2 how to you think he got all that cash?
 
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First of all there are a couple of videos online showing a purported Robotaxi driving autonomously around part of a Tesla campus in TX. Except they're drone videos, so no close ups. And from what you can see, all the windows in the Robotaxi are blacked out, so you have no idea what is going on in the cabin.

One thing I noted in a previous Tesla story, is that if this Robotaxi is able to drive fully autonomously in June, then FSD should also be operational for every Tesla that bought that option (of at least supports the same hardware as the Robotaxi). Such an accomplishment would be ground breaking. Yet there is nary a comment from Tesla about this. Given the lack of press releases from Tesla, I suspect that points to the actual state of things.
It would allow Tesla to recognize all the remaining FSD money too.
 
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Anyone who believes this fantasy will become reality has never used a rental car or a public washroom. 🙄
Decades ago I took a short taxi ride in winter. The taxi driver mentioned that his previous fare had rolled the windows down for their entire trip and he couldn't understand why (because, you know, winter). However, I knew exactly why. The taxi driver had a level of BO so high that I was almost barfing.

I imagine that repulsively smelling Robotaxis will be an issue in the future. Especially if people do things like "accidentally" leaving seafood in the taxi after their ride, and the taxi is sitting around in the hot TX sun.
 
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I remember people saying back in the old days of... checks calendar November that Musk couldn't be corrupt because he had all the money he could ever want.
I remember people on this very forum downvoting me to hell and back circa 2019 for pointing out that a Tesla with FSD was not an appreciating asset, and never would be.

Now you can pick up a used Model 3 from that era for about the cost of a cheeseburger.
 
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AusPeter

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I remember people on this very forum downvoting me to hell and back circa 2019 for pointing out that a Tesla with FSD was not an appreciating asset, and never would be.

Now you can pick up a used Model 3 from that era for about the cost of a cheeseburger.
OTOH I dropped my 2020 Subaru Forester off for a service today and I received a phone call from the dealership asking if I wanted to sell it.
 
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AusPeter

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At this rate, probably tomorrow. He'll sulk and mope about the denial today then order the USPTO dismantled tomorrow because "it's too woke to protect names" or something stupid.
Hmmm so, I'll be able to sell my Tesla named Musk/Trump double ended Anal Dildo without any consequences?
 
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