Sony removes still-unmet “8K” promise from PS5 packaging
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Countdown for lawsuit for false advertising? Also 8K?! I've barely made it to a 4K panel and most content I consume is still only HD. How much more resolution can we possibly benefit from unless your screen is movie theater sized?
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As an owner of an 8K tv (it was on sale), who doesn't currently have a PS5, this next edition might actually be worth getting.
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Depends on how close you are to your display and how large it is. We have a pretty large TV and we're working on a literal "theater room" in the basement. I'll got "8K" if we ever get to that point.
Higher resolution is going to be good for VR. That's a screen literally inches from your face.
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Can't wait to collect my $.25 check while some law firm makes millions in court fees...
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Based on comments following yours, you are at least 33% correct!
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They need the space for an AI logo, obviously, but they needed something to fill the space after VR, which was of course the replacement logo for 3D.
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Not the first time they did this. They killed off "alternate OS" on PS3 when it launched that promised ability to run Linux. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherOS
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I felt I couldn’t be the only one who chuckled when Sony announced 8K support, especially for games. I thought to myself: “well maybe for some upscaled light-weight and older games.”
8K video, I thought, had a small chance via streaming, but since 4K was still just growing in 2020, it felt sketchy. I never expected to use my PS5 for 8K content.
It doesn’t even make much sense for a PS5 Pro. Desktop PCs aren’t even pushing for 8K, even if they can run that resolution on some games. Upscaling technologies can get us there faster, but it still doesn’t seem to make much sense at this point.
Sony never should have made that promise. Definitely shouldn’t have put it on the box.
8K video, I thought, had a small chance via streaming, but since 4K was still just growing in 2020, it felt sketchy. I never expected to use my PS5 for 8K content.
It doesn’t even make much sense for a PS5 Pro. Desktop PCs aren’t even pushing for 8K, even if they can run that resolution on some games. Upscaling technologies can get us there faster, but it still doesn’t seem to make much sense at this point.
Sony never should have made that promise. Definitely shouldn’t have put it on the box.
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Realistically 8K is it given TV size constraints, room sizes, and normal viewing distances. Hell for many 4K is the end of the road. That won't stop OEMs hyping 16K TVs eventually.
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I skimmed the article as well. But, no. Not without a software update to view 8K content, some 8K content to view, and perhaps a different HDMI cable to get the content to the TV to view it.
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I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority, but I have yet to see streaming do a good job with 4K, and in many cases 1080p. It doesn't matter how many pixels you're using if you have 128:72 clearly visible compression blocks. The fact that each chunk is made 900 pixels ((3840/128) * (2160/72)) or 8100 pixels doesn't rate for much when there are four chunky, muddy zones in each block. When Netflix tells me I need 25mbps for 4k, but a 1080p Blu-ray is pumping out 40-50mbps, something is off and it's not my Blu-rays.
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Just FYI, TV makers have basically been scaling back their 8K TV plans over the past few years in favor of other display advancements as the market for 8K TVs has basically been terrible by all accounts (not even mentioning the EU no longer excluding 8K TVs from their strict power regulations, though TV makers may have been using that as a scapegoat to cover up them scaling back their 8K plans). Sony themselves have not released a new 8K TV since 2022 and has not indicated if/when they might launch a new one, so this just seems like they're removing references to something that Sony's TV division can't support right now (though I wouldn't be shocked if whatever plans they had for 8K support has been dropped for the PS5 (not even mentioning the PS5 Pro) altogether).
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8K displays are completely pointless unless they are something absolutely enormous that will not fit into an average person's home. This is certainly no loss - the the PS5 never had good enough hardware to run a AAA game at 8K anyway.
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It may not be wrong, but it is frustrating. Millions of dollars paid out to class action lawyers represents more than copy paper, the power bill, and a little something to keep from having to eat frozen dinners every night. It's time (fair), expenses (fair), expertise (fair), law school (fair, I guess), the decision between a new Jag or an X6 (uh), renovations to the guest house (um) all in a windfall from one case.
Not every lawyer, not every time, and I would not presume to tell you of all people that it is otherwise. It smacks of unfairness when the lawyer representing the class, the actual party seeking damages, walks away with a vast share of the compensation. It might not be incorrect in a factual sense, but it rubs people the wrong way ethically.
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8K Displays and Content are still something of a "curiosity" in the consumer space, and likely will be for a number of years to come. Any gaming console (Sony's or otherwise) trying to push 8K-anything is just marketing hype IMO.
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I'm sorry but you're going to continue to be downvoted. Not because you're technically wrong, but because we don't like lawyers and their parasitical behaviors 'round these parts. And we don't want to be reminded of their self-serving business model, neither!
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Netflix is pretty terrible with 4K, with aggressive compression that often makes the video worse than their 1080p stream. I only really want Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos, which often do look and sound significantly better, but I don't want to pay Netflix' ridiculous premium when all I use is 1 or 2 simultaneous sterams.
In my experience, Apple TV+ and Disney+ look much better in 4K.
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Court fees/lawyer pay aside, how much "damage" did you incur from the 8K "false advertising" on the box? 25 cents sounds about right?Can't wait to collect my $.25 check while some law firm makes millions in court fees...
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It seems particularly shabby of them to fail to even technically live up to their promise.
Obviously the APU in the PS5 isn't going to get any faster; so the odds of '8k' actually being much more than "the PS5's scaler is less awful than your TV's scaler; and a couple of visually spartan retro titles"; but just plain not being able to output at higher than 4k when '8k' has been printed on the box for most of the product's life on the shelf is a really shabby look.
Especially when we consider that there are really only three reasons to not enable support; all of them unimpressive in different ways. Could be that doing so requires software effort; in which case not doing so seems like dishonest laziness. Could be that there's some sort of hardware limitation that makes it infeasible; in which case it makes it really dishonest to have ever printed it on the box when it could not, in fact, be patched in. Could be that they need an extra spec-sheet item for the PS5 pro or something; in which case team marketing is working hard to earn their deeply spotty reputation.
Obviously the APU in the PS5 isn't going to get any faster; so the odds of '8k' actually being much more than "the PS5's scaler is less awful than your TV's scaler; and a couple of visually spartan retro titles"; but just plain not being able to output at higher than 4k when '8k' has been printed on the box for most of the product's life on the shelf is a really shabby look.
Especially when we consider that there are really only three reasons to not enable support; all of them unimpressive in different ways. Could be that doing so requires software effort; in which case not doing so seems like dishonest laziness. Could be that there's some sort of hardware limitation that makes it infeasible; in which case it makes it really dishonest to have ever printed it on the box when it could not, in fact, be patched in. Could be that they need an extra spec-sheet item for the PS5 pro or something; in which case team marketing is working hard to earn their deeply spotty reputation.
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I mean technically it is? You still have to prove it actually hurt you/you bought it due to the false advertising, I think, which is gonna be a problem for 99.9% of users.
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As frustrating as the removal of OtherOS was, it’s completely different from the 8K issue. OtherOS was actually available for years after the PS3 was released. The article is about a vaguely advertised feature that was never present in the first place.
And just to validate the lawyer-deriding comments above, I think we got like a $5 settlement for losing OtherOS
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It's likely a moot point anyway. Everyone eligible to sue probably unwittingly accepted their binding arbitration clauses, which would nip the whole class-action issue in the bud. So if you want to sue them, you would have to do it individually, without a jury, in front of a judge funded by Sony.
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I'd settle for 4K performing adequately. Even the Pro won't do 4K adequately (people are in for disappointment). Slapping 8K on this or the upcoming Pro are both false advertising as far as any reasonable person's interpretation
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It smacks of unfairness because the idea that it's a vast share of the compensation is flawed. Let me tell you this, I work in an AmLaw 200 firm and we virtually never do what these guys do -- invest low-seven-figures amounts of actual cash and billable time where you receive nothing if you lose -- and do that year after year after year as a practical business.
Occasionally I read about some insane windfalls those attorneys make out with, but that's not your average class action attorney, and even in my coworkers nobody's talking about new Jags and guest houses who wasn't already wealthy.
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I think that's the point Shanrak was making - that it would be silly to start a class-action lawsuit over something that barely damaged anyone.
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My business and inventor clients appear to have missed that meeting. People aren't thrilled with mechanics, but they're still damn useful when the need arises for them.
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Presumably people think it's absurd that it requires a court case in the first place. Sony printed on the box that it could output 8K, it can't output 8K, therefore Sony lied. It's really not a complicated issue that requires lawyers. People should be able to send Sony their PS5s and get a full refund, or Sony should enable 8K output on all PS5s (assuming they can). Unfortunately, there's no simple consumer protection system in place that can quickly fix issues like this.
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With the new focus on upscaling these days, it's unlikely the ps5 had good enough hardware to run a AAA game at 4K 120FPS.
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16Ks, 280 Hertzs, 3Ds, 2 streaming option to pick from, 1 year warranty, and 0 ways to use it without an always-on Internet connection.
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