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Afroman keeps trolling cops after winning “Lemon Pound Cake” defamation case
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black maga, latino maga (even latino ICE), jewish nazis: being human with all the human failings is a thing for all seasons. money can be a factor (and big money a big factor), perceived/hoped-for self preservation can also be a factor, and just plain humans bein idiots is always waiting in the wings. culture and so-called race (which is also culture, being not really biological) only go so far.
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As far as I can tell from the quotes in the story, it's all about money.
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Harris promised to dial it back, Trump promised to dial it up. It was a counter-productive stance and the outcome is expectably tragic.
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Choose the lesser evil? Yes. Enthusiastically? Not a fucking chance.
Things will not eventually get better if we keep choosing the lesser evil. Harm reduction voting doesn't work, it just delays things: at this point, the DNC and MAGA aren't moving in different directions, but rather at different speeds.
The Dems agreed to a bipartisan immigration bill that, 10 years ago, would have been (correctly) labeled as extreme. Despite all the shit ICE has been doing, some of them still think body cams are enough of a compromise (it is not). Kamala bragged about the US having the most lethal army in the world. They keep moving the Overton window to the right, and every time we let them elect another fucking "centrist" "big-tent" candidate, things move further to the right.
Fuck being enthusiastic about that. Put that energy into primaries, throw out the current crop of harm reduction idiots who just try to get you to vote against Trump, and empower candidates that give you something to actually vote for. More Mamdanis, zero Schumers, please.
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Did she? Do you have a source on that (honest question)? I remember her saying she wouldn't have done anything differently from Biden, bragging about the most lethal army in the world, and the DNC not having any Palestinian speakers in the convention. It surely wouldn't have been as bad as it's been under Trump, but I have no reason to believe it would have been any better than under Biden.
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Good gods, y'all: Afroman isn't MAGA. the picture? He was running for president himself. Vs Trump.
He's a parody/comedy artist. It's the whole schtick. He's actually pretty vocally NOT a trump supporter. (And he's funny as shit -- met him when I was running a club. He's funny and quite clever.)
He's a parody/comedy artist. It's the whole schtick. He's actually pretty vocally NOT a trump supporter. (And he's funny as shit -- met him when I was running a club. He's funny and quite clever.)
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Precisely. Flipping off a camera while raiding a suspect's home is very embarrassing for an officer, their department, and police in general. But importantly it's embarrassing even when presented as a silent video with no commentary.
That action was incredibly unprofessional, as were many of the other things featured in the videos.
To put it bluntly, if an officer does not want to be embarrassed then their first goal should be to not act in a way that will embarrass themselves. And as for the comments on appearance etc calling someone ugly or fat is free speech even if it's rude. Kicking down someone's door definitely increases the chance that they'll exercise that right in a way you don't like.
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Still I'm really curious if Afroman banged that one cop's wife. Especially since the cop seemingly could not say
that Afroman did not fuck his wife, despite the repeated openings to do so... He was probably trying to avoid perjury since the reasonable assumption is Afroman totally tapped that.
that Afroman did not fuck his wife, despite the repeated openings to do so... He was probably trying to avoid perjury since the reasonable assumption is Afroman totally tapped that.
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Yep, that's why I voted for Hillary, Biden, and Harris. Didn't like any of them, still don't. But fuck.... they were all better options than Trump. And by a wide margin. Still wish I had the option to vote for Bernie instead. I absolutely don't agree with everything thing he is/was about, but he convinced me that he at least truly gives a shit about helping people, which is more than I can say for any of the other candidates.
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... and now I'm going to have the Portal 1 end-credits song in my head the rest of the night. I'm making a note here, "Huge Success!". It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.
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More importantly, it should be very embarrassing for the citizens they police when such behavior isn't embarrassing for that officer, their department, and police in general.
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Truly valid questions we should investigate with all available resources once we finally get the rest of the Epstein Files.
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A lot of people have unfortunately bought into the idea that being part of an oppressed minority somehow changes people into being some sort of better and more empathic person, and in particular, better than the people doing the oppressing. The reality is that all people being fundamentally the same means that all people are fundamentally the same. Often being part of an oppressed group just means that people are even more willing to throw the group in general under the bus for a chance to escape and become part of the privileged class themselves.
People are inherently selfish, lazy, short sighted, and tribal, because for millions of years those traits have been associated with increased chance of survival over people who burned too many calories or who gave calories away to others who weren’t helping them in return.
It is only on more recent history that philosophers have even been able to consider the concept that there might be virtue in valuing “others” who are not part of the tribal group. And that is probably only possible because the rise of nation states stretched the size of the “in” group in ways that the tribal mentality wasn’t well built for.
As a result, we now have an idea of an unbiased morality that considers all humans as having equal value, but while it is possible to somewhat rise above out nature, even the best of us still falls far short of the ideal, and most don’t even really try. People like Mohatma Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr, and Nelson Mandela are such incredible heroes because people like them are so rare, and even they had major flaws.
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Yup, this was what got me to..and the low-key written eye-roll way in which Ms. Belanger pointed it out.
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I mean sure, I could see any "leftist" having those rationals; but I would think the "logical" thing would be to just not vote if you thought that. I mean, if you consider yourself "on the left", I cannot think of a single reason you would ever vote for a republican (State or higher level) ever. Sure, if you were a "single issue" voter that cared about abortion, then maybe. But then you probably aren't actually "leftist". Heck, even "gun rights" are a non-issue for both parties, so if you were a huge 2nd amendment person (but otherwise leftist) you could easily safely vote democrat and never have to worry about them "taking our guns" or whatever.
I cannot think of a single liberal/left/progressive issue that would ever get a single (even fake) acknowledgement by any politician on the right in the past 10 years. A single one. So again, if you are voting republican in 2024 you aren't "on the left", hell you probably aren't even "center". If you are voting republican you either 1) Are a bad person, 2) Live in a red state and don't care at all about politics/ignorant, 3) Consider yourself a "conservative", or 4) Only vote for the party not in power.
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The Dems lost because they scored an own goal. Running Harris and ignoring Gaza cost them an easily winnable election.
Question is: did they learn any lessons? Mamdani winning gives me some hope.
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The moment a door of a private house gets kicked in, the raid itself is overreach. In most of the world the cops just politely knock on the door and say "good morning sir, here is a search warrant, we have to come in and look for the items listed on this warrant and if you just stand here amd watch everything will go smoothly."
And, at least in the civilized parts of the world, we don't blow a man-week's worth of cop labour to confirm whether the guy who writes songs about getting high and bases his public persona on it does in fact have an ounce of weed in his house. FTA: " 2022 raid of his home that resulted in no charges and no marijuana found."
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Jokes aside, I have to assume his lawyer pointed out that fornicating with someone's spouse is a common enough insult and obvious exaggeration that no court would take as a serious statement?
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Do the cops have to pay Afroman's legal fees? Has he sued them for their home invasion?
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What I want to know is, who were the two people who upvoted that utter failure of reading comprehension and logic.
Robb here mistakenly forgot the /s tag. But you two read it straight and thought that it made sense?
Whooosh.
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Agreed. I've been saying since the election that the Democrats lost the election more than MAGA won it. No cohesive message, almost completely ignored what the party is all about (protecting the lower 50 percentile from the upper 1 percentile), focused so much on a couple swing states that the entire campaign became a caricature, and waited way too long to convince Biden to step aside.
Nope, probably not. Based on the liberal leadership's actions and messaging over the last year (Chuck Schumer needs to go, with haste), no, they haven't learned much. I'd love to see the DNC pay Jon Stewart to just sit in on all of their meetings and call them out every time they completely miss the point. At least Tuesday through Friday. Leave Monday alone.
I too have some hope left in me though after recent off-cycle elections have gone heavily blue, but I think that's in spite of liberal leadership rather than because of it.
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Considering that he also made a song about the female cop having sex with his own wife, I think we shouldn't assume anything is happening except expert trolling.
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The Democratic party has hardly been "liberal" for decades and that was their key problem in the last election. The Democratic Party is just "left" by virtue of not being as far right as Republicans, but in policy and action, they are centrist at best.
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In this case it's not exactly just a casual insult, his brother is on trial for related crimes.
During the trial he testified, under oath, that he didn't know the nature of his brother's crimes (which were front-page news there).
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I like this Anne Lamott quote: “You own everything that happened to you. Tell your stories. If people wanted you to write warmly about them, they should have behaved better.”
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Yeah, this is what I'm gathering from the article as well. There are a lot of criticisms calling him MAGA, but the most the article says, and the most I've seen from the quotes other people have attributed to Afroman, only goes as far as a bit of schmoozing up Trump when meeting him at a convention.
Handshakes, pleasantries, conversation, and noncommittal propositions aren't support.
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Edit 2: I thought it was more significant than just a variation on the song.
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As has been pointed out, lots of non-white people have extremely conservative beliefs. They might not be excited about the undercurrent of racism in the republican party but they can still agree with everything else about it. And if they have money, that goes a long way to insulate them from the racism anyway.
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Why?
It's okay to criticize politicians and public figures.
I'm sure not going to hold my tongue about what I think of shitty Democrats because "it might help Trump".
Hunter Biden was a fuckup. Nobody has to pretend otherwise because of his dad. Let alone not make a silly song.
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Not only was it the jury that shut it down, I have never seen a judge get that pissed reading a jury verdict.
Normally the judge will thank a jury for their service and dismiss everyone. He read the verdict and stormed out leaving everyone just standing there. Someone (the bailiff?) has to come back and tell them they could leave.
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Reading the details of the case, I'm gonna be 100% honest here.
I don't like any of it.
Yes, I'm with everyone saying that this is delicious retribution against yet another clear cut case of abuse of power on the cops' side - but specifically on the case itself, it seems there were some clear lines and precedent being set on what can and cannot be considered defamation - and it does not look good for me personally.
Because some of the accusations in lyrics against the cops are serious (like pedophilia), and you start blurring lines on what law is there to prevent when it is allowed because "no one will assume what he's saying is serious".
It kinda goes back to the comedy discussion, when it straddles the line on accusing someone of being a criminal or commiting a crime "as a joke" or "personal opinion" that "no one will or should take seriously".
And even if you are as anti-cop and anti-police in the US, as I likely would be if I was an American citizen, just remember folks - this is going against actors that are at fault for what they did, but inside a system that has far more responsibility in reinforcing the attitude. Meaning, the cops will get what they likely deserve, but they are only peons inside a corrupt system - which will gladly discard and dispose of them, without making any changes to the system itself.
Who ordered those cops to swat Afroman's home, who reinforces the attitude against minorities, who is using officers as a shield to avoid being held responsible for actions that are coming from above?
I just think some questions and details in this entire case are more relevant than the headline itself.
At least to me personally, Afroman should've lost this particular case. He did defame, target and willingly distorted information to throw an angry mob against specific individuals. But he should've won the case if this was about wrongful targeting and persecution by police, abuse of power, as well as prejudice or racism claims.
I also think he has a constitutional right to free speech and freedom to use his devices as much as he wants in his private space, but just again to remind people - freedom of speech is not freedom of law, nor freedom of being held responsible on how you use those for. If you commit a crime using those, which I personally think defamation should be (and not just a tort), then it should be prosecuted as so.
And yes, I also fully understand how this weakness in law has been very much exploited on all sides nowadays. That's the exact reason why I don't like any of this.
In essence, this loose nebulous, now court bound precedent, on what is defamation and what is "bad opinion" or "impolite", this very unclear line on what "people can reasonably expect" to be opinion vs accusation, and how people are "supposed" to react to claims - this all needs to go, particularly in a country that is becoming as divided as the US is.
Defamation needs to be either further defined, strongly assessed, and much better regulated, or else it ceases being a thing. And what this in turn and effect does, is legalizing criminal speech, persecution, stalking, mental abuse and many others - which just throws the situation in further chaos.
I don't like any of it.
Yes, I'm with everyone saying that this is delicious retribution against yet another clear cut case of abuse of power on the cops' side - but specifically on the case itself, it seems there were some clear lines and precedent being set on what can and cannot be considered defamation - and it does not look good for me personally.
Because some of the accusations in lyrics against the cops are serious (like pedophilia), and you start blurring lines on what law is there to prevent when it is allowed because "no one will assume what he's saying is serious".
It kinda goes back to the comedy discussion, when it straddles the line on accusing someone of being a criminal or commiting a crime "as a joke" or "personal opinion" that "no one will or should take seriously".
And even if you are as anti-cop and anti-police in the US, as I likely would be if I was an American citizen, just remember folks - this is going against actors that are at fault for what they did, but inside a system that has far more responsibility in reinforcing the attitude. Meaning, the cops will get what they likely deserve, but they are only peons inside a corrupt system - which will gladly discard and dispose of them, without making any changes to the system itself.
Who ordered those cops to swat Afroman's home, who reinforces the attitude against minorities, who is using officers as a shield to avoid being held responsible for actions that are coming from above?
I just think some questions and details in this entire case are more relevant than the headline itself.
At least to me personally, Afroman should've lost this particular case. He did defame, target and willingly distorted information to throw an angry mob against specific individuals. But he should've won the case if this was about wrongful targeting and persecution by police, abuse of power, as well as prejudice or racism claims.
I also think he has a constitutional right to free speech and freedom to use his devices as much as he wants in his private space, but just again to remind people - freedom of speech is not freedom of law, nor freedom of being held responsible on how you use those for. If you commit a crime using those, which I personally think defamation should be (and not just a tort), then it should be prosecuted as so.
And yes, I also fully understand how this weakness in law has been very much exploited on all sides nowadays. That's the exact reason why I don't like any of this.
In essence, this loose nebulous, now court bound precedent, on what is defamation and what is "bad opinion" or "impolite", this very unclear line on what "people can reasonably expect" to be opinion vs accusation, and how people are "supposed" to react to claims - this all needs to go, particularly in a country that is becoming as divided as the US is.
Defamation needs to be either further defined, strongly assessed, and much better regulated, or else it ceases being a thing. And what this in turn and effect does, is legalizing criminal speech, persecution, stalking, mental abuse and many others - which just throws the situation in further chaos.
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Not only did that silly video upset the cops, when they showed up to testify (for their magic $millions in damages) they answered the defense questions indicating they weren't defamed. And some of their answers made them look even worse, like when a cop was asked whether Afroman really fucked the cop's wife as he alleged defamed him, he answered that he didn't know (not "NO!!!"). So Afroman's assertion was an opinion about something unknowable. Not only opinion, not defamation, but he implied he either don't know whether his wife is faithful to him, or that she fucks so many people like Afroman that he can't keep track of exactly who. Defaming himself, and his own wife even moreso.
These cops are supposed to be experts in protecting people under law, how to properly go through the legal process. They ought to get penalties for this entire episode's demonstration of their self entitled incompetence.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's strong enough support to place him in the MAGA camp, and he's certainly not Kid Rock. But the context of a rally intended to promote a politician adds a political lean to a lot of actions that would be considered neutral anywhere else.
I should really double check what I'm saying.
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Afroman didn't perform "Hunter Got High" at a Trump rally. So no political lean, right?
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I'll take your word for it and walk away with egg on my face. Guess this is what happens when I read other comments and don't double check them.
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So, in reading second-hand summaries of the case, you've decided that the jury that was there for the whole thing got it wrong, and that judgment in effect legalizes a parade of horribles.
How do you know that the jury got it wrong, and what would you replace the jury with, pray tell?
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Yeah, Afroman did say publicly that he hoped he could sing it at a Trump rally, but that's just consistent with his being an opportunistic self promoter for a living, along with putting out "Hunter Got High" at all even as "Black Nazi" Kanye West was helping get people not to vote for Biden or Harris. And with Afroman's lyrics homophobically (and it appears falsely) mocking one of the cops, and other character defects apparent in these raid backlash songs not actually MAGA but still shitty in the overall picture.
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Three things that police do not have. Their experiences lead them to believe that they can do whatever they want whenever they want to whomever they want and qualified immunity will protect them. They view the general population as subordinate to them. There have even been cases that turned on whether or not cops should be required to understand the laws they are enforcing. Based on qualified immunity, they are not.
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I mean that sounds hilarious. Regardless of political affiliation, does anyone actually defend Hunters behavior?
Guy destroyed his own life, because he got high.
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