Of the seven illnesses identified so far, four are in children age 3 or younger.
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FDA links raw cheese to outbreak; Makers “100% disagree,” refuse recall
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When the asylum is run by the inmates - you have the permission structure for just about anything..
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"Raw Farm has been associated with over a dozen other outbreaks and many recalls in the last 20 years, according to Bill Marler, a personal injury lawyer specializing in food poisoning outbreaks who has kept a record of the company’s outbreaks."
Not sure I understand how such a company can still be in operation for over 2 decades..
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Not sure I understand how such a company can still be in operation for over 2 decades..
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This is one case where I'm actually willing to give the Raw Farms guys the benefit of the doubt, maybe.
If you're regularly consuming raw milk products, maybe that particular cheese wasn't the cause of your E.Coli infection -- because god knows what other wildly dangerous conservative-coded "health" things you are doing, at this point
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Oh, priceless! I mean, Beth we all know you could have done as well (or better).... but they just give it away for free!
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Even if, by some chance, they're not the source of this particular outbreak, they do sound like the logical place to start looking.
I would like to see their testing setup, please.
So do they think the FDA just made up those interviewees, then? Besides, the last time I had food poisoning, I couldn't tell you for sure what caused it; it could have been anything I ate that day. You need to cross-reference with other people to get any real grip on the data, and ordinary people generally don't bother with all that.
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Obviously, the US was founded on the freedom to poison children. What is so confusing about this basic principle of political philosophy?
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“Freedom” isn’t something that falls from the sky and it isn’t some magically neutral concept. It has always been politically defined.
…but how could we be surprised that “No” would be the eventual response to just about any regulation in the current environment? “No, you can’t make me” is the neurological tick that comes from their hero constantly.
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“Freedom” isn’t something that falls from the sky and it isn’t some magically neutral concept. It has always been politically defined.
…but how could we be surprised that “No” would be the eventual response to just about any regulation in the current environment? “No, you can’t make me” is the neurological tick that comes from their hero constantly.
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Ah, the final level of Capitalism.
Government says you're killing people. Company says no I'm not and you can't stop me.
Government says you're killing people. Company says no I'm not and you can't stop me.
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"Hey, what's this?"
"I dunno. What's raw cheese?"
"Beats me. That's new. Let me check the package."
"And?"
"That's weird. There's no nutritional information. It just says, 'Do not expose to air.'"
"Think it's any good?"
"Of course! They wouldn't be allowed to sell it otherwise! Let's give it a try! What's the worst that can happen?"
"I dunno. What's raw cheese?"
"Beats me. That's new. Let me check the package."
"And?"
"That's weird. There's no nutritional information. It just says, 'Do not expose to air.'"
"Think it's any good?"
"Of course! They wouldn't be allowed to sell it otherwise! Let's give it a try! What's the worst that can happen?"
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You just summed up the 2024 US Presidential Elections describing raw cheese purchasing.
Kudos!
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It has to be pointed out that cheese made from unpasteurized milk is quite common, and eaten by millions of people daily, on the other side of the pond.
There is the occasional listeria issue, and people are reminded to reduce the risk by not eating the rind, and avoiding those cheeses if pregnant.
But the raw milk cheese itself is not a major safety hazard if done right, or there would be a lot of dead Europeans.
Now, can we trust an American Raw Milk operation to actually do things the right way ?
There is the occasional listeria issue, and people are reminded to reduce the risk by not eating the rind, and avoiding those cheeses if pregnant.
But the raw milk cheese itself is not a major safety hazard if done right, or there would be a lot of dead Europeans.
Now, can we trust an American Raw Milk operation to actually do things the right way ?
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You'd think, but unfortunately not: (1) as noted in the article, often it's kids who end up sickened, not the adults who actually had the decisionmaking power. Also (2) humans are notoriously bad at changing their behavior when presented with evidence that they're wrong, and the raw milk fans have already demonstrated that they don't care much for evidence-based lifestyle choices to begin with, so....
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2016 maybe.
By 2024, the cheese had clear warnings about suitability for consumption, prior reports of violent adverse reactions, and traces of mold.
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Question: If the FDA identifies your food is contaminated, and advises a recall but you refuse to recall it, and then someone gets sick and sues you, won't that take away all plausible deniability in court? Because you were warned specifically by the federal agency that tracks food contamination, that your product was dangerous and you kept selling it?
Bring on the lawsuits.
Bring on the lawsuits.
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The Raw Farm Wikipedia article is mostly about the CDFA issuing recalls.
Also, someone burned down one of their creameries so...there's that. Not the correct way to pasteurize but A for effort?
Also, someone burned down one of their creameries so...there's that. Not the correct way to pasteurize but A for effort?
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I'm guessing that was a rhetorical question. If not, try looking up Salmonella rates in chicken products in the US and compare to, say, Europe.
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How about information about Raw Farms, such as where they are located, how much do they produce, and where their starting materials come from? Has the State where they operate played any role in this matter?
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Provided they make the link between the cheese and the sickness, instead of just blaming it on something else. Also, sickening innocent individuals like children or friends that aren't aware and didn't specifically choose to eat a dangerous product.
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The first step in any of these sorts of investigations is to start looking for something in common, and likely the FDA found that they all had eaten cheese made by Raw Farm. While that doesn't rule out something else, clearly seven people in three states eating the same cheese is a pretty strong indicator that's where your testing should start.
And certainly it's enough evidence to tell Raw Farms that there may be a problem with their product and they should voluntarily get it off the market before they hurt or kill anyone else.
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GreenHills
Smack-Fu Master, in training
Personally I buy and eat a lot of raw milk cheeses. Many traditional sorts are made from raw milk, and honestly they simply taste better. I can't tell if this is from the traditional ways of making them, or from the milk, but it is distinguishable. There is a known certain risk of listeria.
But ok, I follow this discussion from Europe, where many small cheese makers survive because people like me pay a premium for their traditional, low volume manufacturing. I doubt traditional local low volume production is the case here.
But ok, I follow this discussion from Europe, where many small cheese makers survive because people like me pay a premium for their traditional, low volume manufacturing. I doubt traditional local low volume production is the case here.
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Getting horribly sick didn't stop most anti-vaccine people during covid. If they didn't die, they think that made their genetically stronger, and people who did die were just genetically inferior.
Regulations are a completely separate thing to capitalism
The government is not saying they are killing people. The government is saying there is a link to the company in an outbreak, but its not confirmed yet. This is why the recall is voluntary, because its not confirmed their products are the issue.
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So I see they are going with the well established “Na-na na-na boo-boo” defense. Curious if this will feint into the “I’m Rubber” doctrine or the “I know you are but what am I” legal strategy.
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--gets sick--
"Why would the government allow this!? There should be a law!"
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American food factory vs what's likely a small producer.
As someone else noted, look at salmonella rates in the US versus EU. US production tends to go for treating the chicken post butchering, whereas EU goes for preventing it on the farm level.
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Raw cheese, raw milk, unwashed anything - it’s all good, it’s natural (just like septic shock, cholera, and botulinum poisoning).
Don’t let “big knowledge” boss you around, go with your feels.
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Don’t let “big knowledge” boss you around, go with your feels.
And for a limited time, get a reduced price on my Artisanal Ice Cube Kit, it makes your drinks 100% colder! And it uses no seed oils!
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We're almost at the point where "FDA says don't" means "you really should", but I think skip the cheddar in this case.
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