Chinese EV buyers are cooling on Tesla and BYD
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I'm sure the military can find the money, but I can't imagine where they would find a benefit in the humanoid form factor. They'd be more likely to buy robot dogs with attached rocket launchers from Boston Dynamics.
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According to the site 'electrek', the surge in sales in Turkey was due to a loophole that has since been fixed.
From the article:
"Turkey has a consumption tax rate (ÖTV) that varies depending on the type of car.
Earlier this year, they reduced the tax rate to 10% for EVs with a power output of less than 160 kW.
Tesla vehicles wouldn’t qualify for that, but the automaker has resorted to one of its old tricks, which it also used to generate more sales in Canada back in 2021.
The American automaker software-locked the base Model Y RWD to just 160 kW of power to qualify for the lower tax rate. This significantly reduced the price and resulted in a surge of orders."
From the article:
"Turkey has a consumption tax rate (ÖTV) that varies depending on the type of car.
Earlier this year, they reduced the tax rate to 10% for EVs with a power output of less than 160 kW.
Tesla vehicles wouldn’t qualify for that, but the automaker has resorted to one of its old tricks, which it also used to generate more sales in Canada back in 2021.
The American automaker software-locked the base Model Y RWD to just 160 kW of power to qualify for the lower tax rate. This significantly reduced the price and resulted in a surge of orders."
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So much for all that constant bragging about how "harmonious" union employer relations are in Europe, when things get bad the good old "blame the union" card gets pull out as per usual, instead of blaming things like management for diesel gate and other missteps that have ruined VWs reputation. Same for the layoffs, how much have I heard how "good" european companies didn't do the petty layoff games that "bad" american companies do
The fact is VW is in poor financial health despite still overall good sales numbers because of failures of management
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1 Bilion per year... that comes to 1901 built every minute working 24/7
Never mind the supply chains needed.
Elizabeth Holmes would be blushing is she said something THAT level of BS.
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There doesn't seem to be anything in that article mentioning if Tesla will reverse that software lock sometime after the new owner takes possession. Because I really could see Musk pulling a stunt like that.
Also I like how Electrek keeps referring to Turkey well after the country re-branded itself as Türkiye, (and the country requested that that is the name to use, even in English).
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Which is why it'll succeed. Unpaid labor + workers resigning instead of having to get fired? I think I just heard CEOs pissing themselves from joy.
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What? A simple-minded, narcissistic, perpetually lying, psychopathic Nazi? Aren't those rather commonplace now?
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In the case of the Canadian 150km model 3, they at least claimed they’d never unlock it. Probably wasn’t worth the expense of making a process to do it, even if the regulatory risk didn’t matter.
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The US has a fascist authoritarian as its head of state & head of government right now. His party controls both houses of the legislature and your Supreme Court is a global laughing stock which is almost entirely corrupted and effectively in his pocket. He’s threatening the same kind of imperialistic conquests as Putin & Jinping, up to and including against the US’s closest allies.
Maybe get your own house in order?
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And I thought that him having 500,000 autonomous AI operated Robotaxis by the end of this year was Tesla's future. And colonizing Mars by 2022. And of course, autonomous FSD (which is neither) by 2017, at the latest. And the Vegas Loop and the Hyperloop. Oops, Hyperloop One shut down in late 2023, after burning 100s of millions on their failure. And the Vegas Loop has been a disaster, only 2.7 miles of a planned 64 miles of one way tunnels after 7 years. While FSD Teslas cannot operate in those tunnels without crashing, so now every FSD Tesla has a manual driver. So now he is going to sell billions of his fake autonomous AI robots to the world, but where is he going to get that many teleoperators, and is there even enough high power RF bandwidth available worldwide? Or will the teleoperators have to live inside your home using lower power RF? Will the teleoperators multitask between controlling autonomous AI robots, autonomous FSD Robotaxis with a safety monitor inside, and autonomous FSD Teslas? Does it mean that if your teleoperator or safety monitor is busy, you can't also use the other three Tesla wonders?
And those ever fickle Tesla shareholders are finally somewhat upset with the Muskrat, yet again.
https://cleantechnica.com/2025/08/06/tesla-shareholders-sue-elon-musk-over-autopilot-fsd-failures/
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a...musk-concealing-self-driving-car-liabilities/
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-shareholders-furious-elon-musk-181050801.html
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Hey I didn't vote for the shit stain. It's called multitasking. And yes I think Europe should be thinking about their economic and political independence which is why it's insane that they're selling themselves willingly to Xi just because the US has gone off the rails
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So....
I have dream, that dream is my company staffed by AI and robots, building cars for all the people that used to work for me, the savings on HR and Payroll alone will make my company the most profitable in the world and i will be even richer.
Who says i don't have clue. look at the number, the investor return will huge. There are no flaws in this plan, Grok said it would work.
I have dream, that dream is my company staffed by AI and robots, building cars for all the people that used to work for me, the savings on HR and Payroll alone will make my company the most profitable in the world and i will be even richer.
Who says i don't have clue. look at the number, the investor return will huge. There are no flaws in this plan, Grok said it would work.
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Oh man, all I can picture right now is Randy and ChatGPT in the last South Park episode, they really hit the nail with Techridy
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Obviously the necessary bandwidth is going to come from StarLink /s
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I would find it amusing (in the abstract sense) if the chief job found for Tesla robots was to replace Amazon warehouse workers. I can pretty easily imagine Amazon warehouses full of robots, teleoperated by people in India or the Philippines, with AIs looking over the operations' shoulders, learning how to respond the same way to the same stimuli. Whether it's Tesla robots or not is a different question.
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Thanks, I had to look them up, not knowing about them. Not Mitchell and Webb, or Clarke and Dawe, but still quite funny.
For those who don't know about Mitchell and Webb, or Clarke and Dawe:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM
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Ketamine and hallucinogens are his preferred "medications", along with 20 pills per day. With that much "medication", he could not possibly be
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Or Boston Dynamics, the company with actual (not teleoperated) humanoid robots. Musk also has the "person in a robot suit cringe factor" market all to himself.
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Have you seen how slowly those robots move? An Amazon worker moving that slowly would be fed into the chipper.
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Those robots are much more likely to work in military contexts than whatever hot air fever dream Musk just pulled out of his ass to keep investors from tanking Tesla stock. The last thing you'd need on an airbase is a Tesla robot dumping grenades into a jet engine, autonomously of course because it's Fully Self-Deluded.
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So you are totally discounting that the Tesla Optimus robots quickly overheat their motors, wear out their gears, quickly run out of battery charge, etc? Just like his "you can summon your Tesla in LA, and it can drive the entire distance autonomously from NY" 2016 claim, reality is always a very tiny fraction of his claim. You will be really lucky if your Tesla Optimus can last even a week.
https://thedeepdive.ca/tesla-stops-optimus-production-due-to-persistent-hardware-issues/
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To indicate his detachment from reality, he claims people will buy his (fake AI) Optimus robots to be their "friend" and to pour them drinks. Oddly, neither of those have ever even occurred to me.
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So you don't know that Tesla autonomous FSD vehicles with at least 8 color cameras will ignore red lights on occasion? I would not worry as much about mixing whites and color cloths, as much as worrying about them taking a trip through the garbage disposal because it looks and sounds a bit like a washing machine. Fortunately, neither of us have to worry about Optimus robots doing much of anything, besides breaking down a lot, and very likely even falling over.
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SpaceX has been successful because of a competent COO and engineer, Gwynne Shotwell. Musk is neither of those. The closest he came to engineering was the moronic Cybertruck, which looks like a 9-year-old with an Erector/Meccano set built it, and is still a very poor excuse for a pickup truck.
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Hyperloop One (renamed Virgin) folded after spending 100s of millions on the Musk Fantasy.
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Their website says it starts at $16K, and how much of the videos are AI/CGI generated. Musk's martial arts robot video was surely CGI.
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To be fair to Tesla, the solar roof failure, the semi truck failure, and the pickup truck failure haven't sunk them yet (the autonomy failure doesn't count because although it was a technical disaster, it was probably a financial success). Maybe the fourth vanity project is the charm.
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That was already done in a sci fi short story where the “AI” medical home help robots turned out to be teleoperated from Mexico, and workers were Mexicans who had been raised and educated in the US but deported back to Mexico. As such the workers understood US culture and customs, which helped shield the fact that the robots were teleoperated and not AI.
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I thought Musk bailed on the hyperloop after it achieved it’s goal - shutting down high speed rail in CA.
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He's not only a blithering creep, he's gone insane.
Sure there will be a relatively few cool tech bros (all execs surely) that will pick up one of these useless, expensive things...just as they did the Cybertruck. At least that nominally has a use, getting you around (even if you can't do that much truck stuff with it).
I'm certainly not in the target market, I don't even like "smart" home devices, so I'm probably way off and this'll be in every household (with money) like the maids from the Jetsons.
Sure there will be a relatively few cool tech bros (all execs surely) that will pick up one of these useless, expensive things...just as they did the Cybertruck. At least that nominally has a use, getting you around (even if you can't do that much truck stuff with it).
I'm certainly not in the target market, I don't even like "smart" home devices, so I'm probably way off and this'll be in every household (with money) like the maids from the Jetsons.
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When humans are part of a workflow, the humaniform chassis is the only available choice. Side benefit is that it’s broadly available and very versatile.
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What are you talking about?!? He has a self declared Bachelor of Arts in physics, and he’s the self proclaimed expert in manufacturing on earth.
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What I'm hearing is that a man who is worshipped by his stans as a bold, insightful and innovative expert/genius on all things tech seems to be unaware that the vast majority of human beings are and always have been infamously creeped out by any kind of humanoid automaton which tries to ape human behaviour too closely. We find the overall effect to be... uncanny. Reactions range from "mildly creepy but the robot could perhaps be useful as long as it's not too expensive" (lol) right through to "nope, no way, not in my house, not in a million fucking years, not before the heat death of the universe".
So yeah, I have to assume that this fuckwit has in fact heard of the Uncanny Valley Effect. But as with literally everything else he touches, he simply believes that the rules which apply to everybody else don't apply to him. He's firmly convinced that he's going to sell billions of creepy crappy clones per year bro, gonna be selling tons of useless robots to people who have never seen a laptop or a smartphone and whose most important question will be "can the robot milk my cow for me?"
(Spoiler: no, it really can't. Maybe in another ten years, but probably never).
"Robots will save Tesla cuz I'm bored of owning the world's worst EV company".
What a catastrophic idiot. I hope the memestock-holders are all firmly committed to going down with the ship, because that's going to be pretty fun to watch.
So yeah, I have to assume that this fuckwit has in fact heard of the Uncanny Valley Effect. But as with literally everything else he touches, he simply believes that the rules which apply to everybody else don't apply to him. He's firmly convinced that he's going to sell billions of creepy crappy clones per year bro, gonna be selling tons of useless robots to people who have never seen a laptop or a smartphone and whose most important question will be "can the robot milk my cow for me?"
(Spoiler: no, it really can't. Maybe in another ten years, but probably never).
"Robots will save Tesla cuz I'm bored of owning the world's worst EV company".
What a catastrophic idiot. I hope the memestock-holders are all firmly committed to going down with the ship, because that's going to be pretty fun to watch.
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Clearly, the future is cyborgs: Tesla robots + xAI + Neuralink.
Not that it's true in any literal sense, but he might pivot that way. Tesla stans being what they are, he could post some (pirated) Starship Troopers fan art and get a nice stock price bump.
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isn't Boston robotics, who make genuine cutting edge robots with a frankly astonishing capability, struggling to sell enough to stay solvent? Tesla doesn't even have a first mover advantage with optimus, there are already companies in the humanoid robotics space, there just isn't very much money there*
*relatively speaking I mean.
*relatively speaking I mean.
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BD is 80% owned by Hyundai, who may be playing the long game to support Japan's aging population.
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IMO it's really unnatural when a brand dominates a market as much as Tesla or BYD (or Toyota for ICE/HEVs). That usually only happens when it's a first mover and there is almost no competition. The only way is down as other manufacturers slowly cut into their share.
Nvidia though despite already having 90% seems to be increasing its market share in all segments even faster than its competitors, if such a thing was possible.
Nvidia though despite already having 90% seems to be increasing its market share in all segments even faster than its competitors, if such a thing was possible.
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but humanoids can look good with bewbs and those unimaginative childs are the 14 yo boy tech ceos so humanoids it is
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More importantly, who exactly are the investors expecting to buy ALL the products produced by this vast workforce? The newly-redundant ex-workers? If most people's job has been replaced with robots or AI, who's going to be able to afford all these things?
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