Chinese EV buyers are cooling on Tesla and BYD
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The stupid robot gave me a hell of a jump scare. Looked like an evil gimp or something.
Falling sales for BYD and Tesla in China isn't too shocking. Tesla is just garbage, and BYD is facing a rising tide of domestic competition churning out fantastic cars for good prices.
Falling sales for BYD and Tesla in China isn't too shocking. Tesla is just garbage, and BYD is facing a rising tide of domestic competition churning out fantastic cars for good prices.
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Given the propensity for Muckimucks xAI thingamabob to go wildly off-the-rails, you'd have to be a complete lunatic to want to buy robots that can cause actual physical damage all around them from Muckimuck. If I were running a factory, a warehouse or similar I wouldn't let Muckimuck's robots anywhere near even if I was paid for it.
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Wait, I thought the future of Tesla was in self-driving cars?
Or was that last month's future?
It just amazes me that there are still people who put credence in anything that Elon Musk says.
Or was that last month's future?
It just amazes me that there are still people who put credence in anything that Elon Musk says.
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Yeah and I have a bridge to sell too. Humanoid robots are an unimaginative child's idea of the future.
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The current global labour force is estimated to be ~3.7billion.
Even assuming that these humanoid robots only manage the same 1/3rd duty cycle as humans, that means replacing every single worker on the planet in 4 years.
If you assume each humanoid robot replaces 3 humans, then in less than 2 years every worker on the planet will have been replaced by a Tesla humanoid robot.
Who exactly are the investors expecting to pay for this vast workforce? The newly-redundant ex-workers?
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Right!?!? I wondered what purpose that could serve over a smaller (less prone to physically hurting people) drone with a tiny grabby arm... yeah...
Realspeak, I think wizards with guns did a skit on the inevitable future of having robot helpers in homes. Its... horrifying.
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Erm... "the company will sell billions of humanoid robots a year."
Bullshit.
How on earth would that be possible, unless they're going to sell for something like $99. Mobile phone sales last year were less than 2 billion, globally, so even they don't amount to billions (plural) per year.
Bullshit.
How on earth would that be possible, unless they're going to sell for something like $99. Mobile phone sales last year were less than 2 billion, globally, so even they don't amount to billions (plural) per year.
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Genuinely self-driving cars on reasonably well-marked roads proved too hard a problem, so musk has shifted his focus to self-driving bipedal robots operating in any given environment, which should be MUCH easier.
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Simple - Optimus will be both the buyer and the product. In the future, your robot slaves will themselves own slaves.
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That's a very charitable way of putting it. He's clearly injected too many marijuanas.
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Exactly who is still holding onto Tesla stock? Can we use their change in inertia as early-warning system for the economy?
Also, until Tesla produces a single (pre-production I’d give them) robot they’re a car manufacturer and should be valued as such.
Also, until Tesla produces a single (pre-production I’d give them) robot they’re a car manufacturer and should be valued as such.
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Disappointed that Musk's tweet predicting that 80% of Tesla business would be Optimus wasn't included in the article. I guess the less shown of his bs, the better. But the claim was so gaga, I wanted to see it for myself. For the lolz. So, I opened his account on X to find it. And mistake! I'd last visited his account about a year ago. It had been bad, but now... he's mining even deeper in the shithouse. It's a toxic wasteland, I had to abort or risk puking on myself. No apologies, Musk and Musk supporters can go fuck themselves.
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Musk acts like his companies' AI & Robotics efforts are going to change the world. They're not even cutting edge or industry-leading. They're also-rans. Nobody should take anything he says on the subject seriously. He's not even delivered on their previous AI & autonomy ambitions, and he's off promising the next and exponentially greater thing.
Their track record of delivery is appalling and they've got no clear trajectory to get where he claims they're going. Anyone who was rational would have but one response: dump the stock. Dump it into the sea.
But Tesla's not a real company at this point, they've fully embraced their meme stock status. They're living on the irrationality of the market. Like a performance art piece about the sheer futility of capitalism.
Their track record of delivery is appalling and they've got no clear trajectory to get where he claims they're going. Anyone who was rational would have but one response: dump the stock. Dump it into the sea.
But Tesla's not a real company at this point, they've fully embraced their meme stock status. They're living on the irrationality of the market. Like a performance art piece about the sheer futility of capitalism.
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I run an automotive themed diner in California and my popcorn scooper has called in sick for the past two weeks causing my profits to plummet.
I would gladly replace him with a robot because finding specialized labor like that is incredibly expensive and hard to replace and uptime is key for a critical business like this. Fortunately robots never get sick or have their satellite Internet connection go out so they're able to work 24/7.
Very obvious /s
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It's almost as if they haven't exactly thought this through. Everybody knows the old adage about the market remaining irrational longer than you can remain solvent. But, I am really starting to wonder what precisely is going on such that these investments, that large numbers of people know are over-valued, are still appreciating (e.g., bitcoin, AI, tesla).
Paul Krugman cites some evidence that it's because markets don't react until it's ridiculously obvious what's going on. Still, if you believe all this crap is over-valued and that a reckoning is coming, the longer this goes on, the bigger the crash will be when the market finally does react.
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::shakesfist:: "Heathen… HERETIC!"
Shush, you're not supposed to ask questions like that.
That'll be a great race to watch: who'll replace humanity first, General AI that is now training itself after having devoured all human knowledge decades ago, or the Muskbots that furiously manufacture stuff none of the 12,000,000,000 unemployed will be able to afford? Can we play one against the other? Or perhaps forge an alliance with one to destroy the other?
These fucking tech bros... The Matrix and Wall-E were warnings, not an invitation, ye utter fuckwits.
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Swasticars are old and busted. Consumers will go gaga for our new line of Nazibots!
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But then you'd have to do the calculus on the ultimate cost benefits of charging, maintaining, and any other tasks required to keep 10 robots running versus paying 1 human employee... No doubt you'd be paying humans to keep all those robots running.
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When your talking about the Turkish car market as the "Bright spot", wow. I love good news!
But that quote from the article:
But that quote from the article:
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as of today, Tesla’s P/E stands at 197
which would be justified if.. well, there is no rationale justification apart from having just invented the anti-gravity engine, the cure for all cancers, or.. AGI i guess
the quintessential bubble, that will implode eventually. postponing the event is the reason why they awarded $ 29 billions of TSLA shares to Musk to keep him as CEO
as i often read on these pages, we live in a pretty weird timeline
which would be justified if.. well, there is no rationale justification apart from having just invented the anti-gravity engine, the cure for all cancers, or.. AGI i guess
the quintessential bubble, that will implode eventually. postponing the event is the reason why they awarded $ 29 billions of TSLA shares to Musk to keep him as CEO
as i often read on these pages, we live in a pretty weird timeline
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If a CEO is incorrect about a prediction, that's legal. It is illegal to mislead investors. This statement will tie the legal system up for years trying to figure out if Musk is simply hopeful or just bald face lying.
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kinda surprised robotics hasn't changed to a more therapod like design. Human legs are incredibly weird and unwieldy. Most other cases of bipedalism in the natural world are more like a trex - with bent legs and much more balance. Instead of humans with a straight knee column leg that you are precariously balanced on top of.
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It is in no way a realistic number. He's said they'll cost around $30k. I've seen some notes about MAYBE $20k... He keeps saying he expects EVERYONE to buy these to work for them around the house or do dumb menial shit. But MANY (most?) people aren't even spending that much on their primary daily transportation, let alone a humanoid robot to do their laundry.
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I disagree. I’m moderately in the humanoid robot camp because when co-working with humans, in choosing between adapting the human world for robots, or adapting robots for the current human world I prefer the latter.
But with that said there are huge areas of robot usage that would be better served by dedicated machines than how humiform devices.
Finally, I have zero trust/belief in Musk delivering on his robotic promises.
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Gotta admit, it's nice to be able to know what's NOT coming in the future when Musk makes an announcement.
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