COVID shots protect kids from long COVID—and don’t cause sudden death

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Share price currently just under $303, down almost $28 ( just over 8.3%) on the day.

May it continue to fall.
Awww....
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Sorry, do words matter? We know exactly why this article is authored the way it is ;)
Because they are making accurate statements to try to motivate as many people as possible to vaccinate, for the benefit of all of us.

Of course, the poster I'm replying to has been banned (and thank you Aurich for recognizing what he was attempting to do early and acting), but I hope that others looking on will see what I've said.
 
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To the skin or in the skin?

(Also, it figures that a pro-vax household would also allow that abomination of two utensils. /s)
well, there's no reason for it to fully perforate the skin; it'll stick fine with the tines adhering to just the first two layers (don't ask me how I know this).
 
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Because they are making accurate statements to try to motivate as many people as possible to vaccinate, for the benefit of all of us.

Of course, the poster I'm replying to has been banned (and thank you Aurich for recognizing what he was attempting to do early and acting), but I hope that others looking on will see what I've said.
"early" -- that account has been around longer than I have. They've been going into the deep end with Muskism of late.
 
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Lets call it what it is. Saying the "trans kid debacle" lets them off easy. Its the pro teen suicide pogram.
Republicans have always been pro lgbtq suicide.
Not just republicans, sadly.

Blumenthal, coauthor of the designed-to-kill-trans-kids KOSA bill, knows that the false "Social media is killing kids!" narrative he pushes is not only not backed by science but that his proposed "solutions" are actively harmful to kids, but true to a scheme that in its entirety follows the antivaxxer playbook to the letter, he views personal gain as more important than the children he weaponizes.
 
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Think god struck someone with lightening for that. don't remember who though. That's what you get for being outside during a storm though.
The act was never meant to actually pass. The point of the act was to beg the question, to point out the sexist hypocrisy of those who voted to ban abortion but refused to ban "spilling one's seed upon the ground", as the Bible calls it, and calls a sin.
 
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Not just republicans, sadly.

Blumenthal, coauthor of the designed-to-kill-trans-kids KOSA bill, knows that the false "Social media is killing kids!" narrative he pushes is not only not backed by science but that his proposed "solutions" are actively harmful to kids, but true to a scheme that in its entirety follows the antivaxxer playbook to the letter, he views personal gain as more important than the children he weaponizes.
omgosh, did you just try to b0Th SideZ the republikkkan party's well documented and organized campaign of terror and hatred against lgbtq people?
 
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omgosh, did you just try to b0Th SideZ the republikkkan party's well documented and organized campaign of terror and hatred against lgbtq people?
Not in the slightest.
Blumenthal was just singled out because he knows what he's pushing is harmful but does it anyway because his apparentl view that his career is more important than the children.

I should probably have left mention of him out, or included that the Republican support is 100x worse, with the other author blackburn being quoted that KOSA is specifically targeted, in her words, at "the trans" or how the heritage foundation supports KOSA explicitly because it harms the lgbtq community the most.

I was clumsily trying to highlight the larger problem that the "protect the kids from vaccines social media!" scam riding on the waves anti-big-tech sentiment and trans hate operates, in all aspects, off the antivax playbook with little if any deviation - from the figureheads pushing the narrative in it for personal gain to "studies" that make Wakefield look like a paragon of integrity by comparison.

While it's most viciously attacking the lgbtq community, we shouldn't forget that it also seeks to harm all youth as well.
 
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The act was never meant to actually pass. The point of the act was to beg the question, to point out the sexist hypocrisy of those who voted to ban abortion but refused to ban "spilling one's seed upon the ground", as the Bible calls it, and calls a sin.
One could say the act wilted, by design.

I'll see myself out, don't worry.
 
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Gravity is a theory.
Yep... for those new to the anti-science battleground/hellscape, the actual original bullshit started out as "medicine is a practice, not a science". Or "fact". And all of these "theories" and "practices" just all wilt in the face of actual FACT, as set forth in the Bible.

Oh, you were surprised that this was all from the creationist lunatic playbook?
 
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Faceless Man

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Yep... for those new to the anti-science battleground/hellscape, the actual original bullshit started out as "medicine is a practice, not a science". Or "fact". And all of these "theories" and "practices" just all wilt in the face of actual FACT, as set forth in the Bible.

Oh, you were surprised that this was all from the creationist lunatic playbook?
The problem is that all these words have multiple meanings. Usually, you can determine which specific meaning is intended via context clues, but some people just aren't that smart.

(Actually, "theory" only really has one meaning, it's just that it's interpreted differently by different groups of people.)
 
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It's really annoying how hard it is to get absolute numbers out of a study. The study says the risk of long COVID is anywhere from 1-3%, so vaccination reduces that risk to

.43% to 1.29% for single symptom long covid
.27% to .81% for multi-symptom long covid

This was after one series of two-dose vaccines. It'd be interesting to see how long the protection lasts.
Wow- those numbers are much bigger than I would have guessed. I guess it's a fairly broad definition of Long Covid... certainly that's not the Dianna Cowern version.
 
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These are the relevant numbers.

12 of whom (43 percent) were unvaccinated, and 594 acted as controls, 136 of whom (23 percent) were unvaccinated.

so 23% of the the sample are unvaccinated but 43% of the unvaccinated develop long covid.
I think you read the data wrong. 43% of the people who developed long COVID were unvaccinated, not 43% of unvaccinated developed long COVID.
TFA said:
Of the 622, 28 developed long COVID, 12 of whom (43 percent) were unvaccinated, and 594 acted as controls, 136 of whom (23 percent) were unvaccinated.
...so 148 total unvaccinated (136 + 12), and 28 total with long COVID, 12 from the unvaccinated group, meaning only 8.1% of the unvaccinated group developed long COVID (12 unvaccinated with long COVID / 148 total unvaccinated)

However, only 16 of the 474 in the vaccinated group (622 total - 148 unvaccinated) developed long COVID, only 3.4%.

So 3.4% of the vaccinated group developed long COVID compared to 8.1% in the unvaccinated group.

Sounds like the conclusion is correct; these kids should definitely get their vaccine, but the vaccine in this small study reduced the risk of long COVID from 8.1% to 3.4%. Vaccination cut the risk of long COVID by more than half.
 
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I prefer to think of it as intelligent falling.
I miss the days when creationists tried to distance themselves from even more unfounded ideas by pointing out that it's not like they were flat earthers, anyone can SEE the earth is round, but you can't see the distant past so it's up to interpretation! I mean, they were wrong, but what makes it so awful is that now we've got flat earthers, GENUINE flat earthers, who are actually in CONGRESS at this point.
 
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I miss the days when creationists tried to distance themselves from even more unfounded ideas by pointing out that it's not like they were flat earthers, anyone can SEE the earth is round, but you can't see the distant past so it's up to interpretation! I mean, they were wrong, but what makes it so awful is that now we've got flat earthers, GENUINE flat earthers, who are actually in CONGRESS at this point.
literally a 18th century joke on the stupidity of ‘dark ages’
(the idea people were so ignorant they actually believed one would fall off the world if you sailed pass the edge of a map)

then a fictionalized biography of Columbus by 19th century writer Washington Irving, was taken as historical by a credulous public, columnists, and popular media

English writer Samuel Rowbotham decided to take up the cause hang his hat on a profitable series of talks debates and books disputing standard astronomy of the day.



and then a bunch of bitter contrarian anti intellectuals clung to the misconception and Samuel Shenton founded a small fringe group dubbed the Flat Earth Society in the 1950s which after his death exploded in popularity
 
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The act was never meant to actually pass. The point of the act was to beg the question, to point out the sexist hypocrisy of those who voted to ban abortion but refused to ban "spilling one's seed upon the ground", as the Bible calls it, and calls a sin.
For those who wish the sea shanties could go on an on...
 
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Unfortunately the number of participants in the sturdy was only 615. Tough to draw universal conclusions with such a small sample set when the authors say, "An estimated 1% to 3% of children infected with SARS-CoV-2 will develop post–COVID-19 condition (PCC)."

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So it turns out, people have long since worked out how to calculate how big of a sample set you need to reach a conclusion based on the results. That's why it's a "57-73%" and not "exactly 65%" reduction in risk. That's a rather meaningful improvement regardless of exactly where it falls within those broad error bars, so I'm not sure I see the benefit of spending the money and effort to follow up with a larger set size.
 
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They thought they were clever for pointing out the definition of medicine.

Imagine how dumb you must be to think other people can't have come to that conclusion on their own.

Dumb people very often think the rest of the world misses very, very basic points. It's really just them being ignorant, coming to a very basic revelation and then assuming because other people aren't talking about it, that they must not have thought of it themselves.

In reality their "clever revelations" are just basic facts everyone else already knew and assumed. That's why they weren't talking about them.
Well you see the problem with being stupid is that you’re too stupid to know that you are.
 
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Booster shots with flu every year for me, wife, kids, only has Covid once and it wasn’t that bad. Will continue as long as we are allowed lol. We’ll need to see a disease with like a 50% death rate without a vaccine (and like 1% with) before people will finally admit they’re fucking wrong.
Nah.

The surviving 50% of the non vaccinated will boast "Call that hemorrhagic fever? See it didn't lay a finger on me."
(Just before violently hemorrhaging from their eyes and ears.)
 
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