Meta kills diversity programs, claiming DEI has become “too charged”

Meta claims it will find other ways to hire employees from different backgrounds.

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[s73v3r]

If you can’t answer the simple question, that’s fine. But you don’t need to make comments meant to belittle someone when you can’t provide the answer.

But if you're going to ignore the answer completely, then yes, you deserve to be belittled.

 

[stormcrash]

Zuckerbot revealing its true cold uncaring self now that it thinks it doesn't have to fake empathy with real humans

 

[s73v3r]

The hiring process is too late to address the problem of the birth lottery though.

No, it's not. It's a perfectly good thing for companies to look in more places for candidates. Because then they can hire more people. And having a diverse workforce means they have diverse opinions, and those go into the products they make and makes them better.

But of course, if you think that the people being hired aren't qualified, then you wouldn't like that. Because you believe in racism.

 

[s73v3r]

If DEI is run the way so many people say it is, why would being a "DEI hire" be derogatory? Maybe people have noticed certain patterns for companies with DEI hiring policies.

Wow, imagine being this proud of being a racist.

 

[s73v3r]

This is such a clumsy argument ! Because you actually mean that black and non white people are naturally less qualified than white people.

That's the argument that literally everyone arguing against DEI practices is making.

 

[Litazia]

You mean white men are always the most qualified? If so, then yes, I guess. If not, then no.

Always interesting how people just automatically assume white men are qualified.

 

[Psyborgue]

One central theme under fascism is a strong, almost totalitarian, central state.

Yeah, give it a few years, if not sooner.

 

[DarthSlack]

There are a ton of companies who blatantly put their illegal quota system right on their official website. You would think the lawyers would tell them that might get them into trouble eventually but it's extremely common. Most of the companies using these illegal quotas are not even trying to hide it.

Yup, that't true.

 

[Coriolanus]

That's easy to fix as well. Just run their voice through a speech recognition program and use the exact same computer voice for all applicants. You could run into issues with people who have a super strong accent that the computer can't figure out, but if the computer can't understand them then I probably can't either so that's a legit problem for them not for me. Just as if they were the one in charge of hiring and it was me on the other side it would be a me problem, not a them problem.

I have coworkers on my team based in India who technically speak English but their accent is so strong that any time they call me I have to just tell them to send me an email because I can't understand them. From a technical standpoint they're fine but if the job required me being able to talk to them on the phone on a regular basis that would be impossible. I guess you could add a requirement for high level of linguistic skills to the job to get around that but I suspect there's not much overlap between people who speak 10 different languages and people who are IT experts. So I think I'm probably safe just sticking with English.

So, what you're saying is that a person's background is a disqualifier for you, rather than their merits.

 

[DaVuVuZeLa]

That's easy to fix as well. Just run their voice through a speech recognition program and use the exact same computer voice for all applicants. You could run into issues with people who have a super strong accent that the computer can't figure out, but if the computer can't understand them then I probably can't either so that's a legit problem for them not for me. Just as if they were the one in charge of hiring and it was me on the other side it would be a me problem, not a them problem.

I have coworkers on my team based in India who technically speak English but their accent is so strong that any time they call me I have to just tell them to send me an email because I can't understand them. From a technical standpoint they're fine but if the job required me being able to talk to them on the phone on a regular basis that would be impossible. I guess you could add a requirement for high level of linguistic skills to the job to get around that but I suspect there's not much overlap between people who speak 10 different languages and people who are IT experts. So I think I'm probably safe just sticking with English.

That sounds like a you problem, TBH.

 

[Coriolanus]

There are a ton of companies who blatantly put their illegal quota system right on their official website. You would think the lawyers would tell them that might get them into trouble eventually but it's extremely common. Most of the companies using these illegal quotas are not even trying to hide it.

Okay, you made an assertion. Provide evidence that a "ton" of companies put illegal quota systems on their official website.

Lawyers are some of the most risk adverse people you would ever meet. I know because I am one. No lawyer worth their salt would allow anything resembling a quota system, much less advertise it openly on a website.

 

[johnlsenchak]

Facebook has become a huge joke over the last five years

I mean come on Zuckerberg , you are allowing prepubescent girls in bathing suits being uploaded in groups with pedo guys leaving sexual based comments under the photos Reporting the photos does nothing.

People should know that this is happening quite often on Meta.

 

[Coriolanus]

That sounds like a you problem, TBH.

Sounds like he is not competent enough to effectively work cross-functionally in a team.

 

[Tofystedeth]

That's easy to fix as well. Just run their voice through a speech recognition program and use the exact same computer voice for all applicants. You could run into issues with people who have a super strong accent that the computer can't figure out, but if the computer can't understand them then I probably can't either so that's a legit problem for them not for me. Just as if they were the one in charge of hiring and it was me on the other side it would be a me problem, not a them problem.

I have coworkers on my team based in India who technically speak English but their accent is so strong that any time they call me I have to just tell them to send me an email because I can't understand them. From a technical standpoint they're fine but if the job required me being able to talk to them on the phone on a regular basis that would be impossible. I guess you could add a requirement for high level of linguistic skills to the job to get around that but I suspect there's not much overlap between people who speak 10 different languages and people who are IT experts. So I think I'm probably safe just sticking with English.

Your easy fixes keep adding a whole lot of work.

 

[Coriolanus]

Well many of the most egregious examples have recently eliminated their DEI programs so I'd have to go find archived pages to give examples but Boeing, Microsoft, and plenty of other companies in the $100 Billion+ market cap range have publicly supported illegal DEI programs, many of which are now cancelled. This ranges from things like internships, training programs, and job openings explicitly excluding certain groups (usually white men) to programs that are only available to specific groups. This is clearly illegal but apparently never litigated for some reason unless it's discrimination against someone other than a white man.

So you're saying you can't provide evidence.

 

[LBJsPNS]

In theory, sure. But not in practice.

Awww... sounds like someone lost a job to a more qualified minority applicant and is a bit butthurt.

 

[Zim the Vixen]

Wow. they are /eager/ to roll out the carpet for the nazis, huh?

 

[choco bo]

Are you claiming moral superiority here? Because comparing a company ending its DEI program with genocide is exactly why your woke train is coming to a fucking halt.

Do you have any knowledge of the fucking history, you sponge?

That was a rhetorical question, btw. Don't bother.

 

[Zim the Vixen]

Also thinking about how to keep in touch with people who only have Facebook. I don’t want to give my relatives my phone number because that can lead to some whacked out shit.

as an idea, maybe get a second pre-paid sim just fur that? if your phone accepts two. make sure to buy minutes now and then to not have service cancelled!

where we live everyone communicates through whatsapp. everyone, this is not an exaggeration. even if we get our family and friends to contact us through other media we still have medical and other matters happening over whatsapp...

 

[ScifiGeek]

If DEI is run the way so many people say it is, why would being a "DEI hire" be derogatory? Maybe people have noticed certain patterns for companies with DEI hiring policies.

Because racist have made that into a derogatory slur. You know, like when you and your buddies are huddled up, and someone "not like you" walks by and you all snigger "DEI hire", and pat each other on the back for being clever.

 

[LBJsPNS]

sure buddy.

And nother butthurt loser looks for something to blame for its failure and finds DEI.

 

[ScifiGeek]

With Hitler it took less than two months.

If they read it, they didn’t care. Or they think there is no chance of successful disobedience, which might be true but this is still indefensible.

The may beat that, they were capitulating before election night.

They are terrified because they are afraid the unhinged tyrant will focus on them.

I'm sure most of you have seen this, but it deserves more Streisanding after it was quashed.

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/04/nx-s...-wapo-over-bezos-trump-cartoon-washingtonpost

 

[Cherlindrea]

Weirdly, when companies say they just focus on qualifications and are race/gender/etc blind, what tends to happen is that the people doing the hiring hire mostly people who are like themselves.

What gets me is seeing how early all this training starts. I, a female, worked at a tech company when I was in college and just graduated. The amount of sexist behavior and unbalanced pay and benefits was astonishing (but not surprising).

Now, I have a 10-year-old daughter who is being told by her 10-year-old male classmates that she isn't able to do math, basic engineering, or any of the sciences as well as them, even though her grades are higher than theirs in all those subjects and she's out-scored them in all the advanced testing done by the school district.

But the simple fact is that these white male 10-year-olds are already being groomed for excelling in the corporate structure because despite every metric proving to them that a female is more qualified in different areas than they are, they are choosing to ignore all those empirical facts in favor of biases handed to them by popular society.

So, as you say, those in charge of hiring are looking for candidates based off their flawed, innate biases. And those biases start at a disgustingly young age--meaning there are decades of ingrained neural pathways formed from this conditioning. Without being forced otherwise, there is no reason for people to ignore their learnt biases and to look at actual, factual qualifications.

 

[badboybubby]

the US really is sinking fast. trump won by 1.5% and they seem to be taking this as their cue that the tide has turned. pretty sure a large chunk of those people literally only voted for trump over the price of eggs anyway....

 

[Sjoerd Verweij]

Meta and others wants less regulation, less taxes and less government so they can do what they wan without government interference.

So did Krupp, bub. Your raging ignorance is not our problem.

 

[Sjoerd Verweij]

the US really is sinking fast. trump won by 1.5% and they seem to be taking this as their cue that the tide has turned. pretty sure a large chunk of those people literally only voted for trump over the price of eggs anyway....

Dude, stop taking the right wing seriously. They crowed over W's mandate IN 2000!

 

[Celery Man]

Easy fix for that. Run all the resumes through a computer program that strips out all personally identifying information and just assigns them an applicant number. Do a phone interview with software that disguises the voice so you can't tell what race or gender they are. Now make your hiring decision based on the interview. Applicant number 3 and applicant number 5 are the most qualified. You don't get to find out what race they are or what gender they are, or even their name until their first day of work. Problem solved.

If they say anything during the interview that gives away their background they're automatically disqualified.

Congrats, you’ve just reinvented DEI!

 

[Resolute]

Get out and meet people. Just because you don't like Trump doesn't mean that the majority of people in the country are all of those bad names people spew. It's truly stunning how quick people are to make such disparaging remarks toward fellow citizens.

As trite as the statement is, it remains true that if you sit down at a table with Nazis, that makes you a Nazi.

You, and a majority of U S voters chose to support naked fascists. You are what you voted for, and you are absolutely what all of those "bad names" you are so offended to be called. If you don't like it, be a better person.

 

[Psyborgue]

There is also one extremely huge difference: The view on jews and anti-semittisme.
You can't have nazism without extreme anti-semittisme.

You realize they went after queer people too, right? I support Israel. I have Jewish blood. The family I am closest to is Jewish.

I am still about to draw parallels between what is going on in the US and what happened in Germany nearly a century ago.

The target has changed but even with the Nazis, Jews were always a target of opportunity.

There is always a need for a new scapegoat. Eventually it gets to someone you do care about. That is all but assured.

The Nazis picked those who couldn’t defend themselves. Queer people and those said to be poisoning the blood of the nation.

The same is true today and while there are no guarantees, I am personally not going to risk it. I am leaving the country. The risk is that grave.

We might not turn into Nazi Germany immediately but a slow slide into Russian style fascism seems likely in the medium term with Hungary as an intermediate step.

Another important difference is that nazism wanted a very strong, totalitarian central government. If you look at Trump & co and many of the large companies in the US, they want less central government, fewer regulations and laws, etc.

In Nazi Germany there was an intermingling of corporation and state. The lines are blurring here as well. We see oligarchs. Favored companies. Favored people. Flattering the leader is expected. The media is being threatened. This is not normal. There has always been ass kissing but not to this same extent.

 

[Trentmoller]

Zuck is a massive coward.

To be a coward he'd need to have principals that he's failing to abide by. I don't think he's got any.