Musk breaks promise to form Twitter moderation panel, blames activists

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Musk is a known liar, "Full self driving" remember? Shouldnt really be news that hes lying through his teeth to try and explain his endless cycle of embarrassingly bad business decisions. Im sure lying about fake agreements will bring advertisers back, and at least if they dont he can still tell twitter blue for 8$.... that will certainly work....
 
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Musk has fucked around and he is now finding out.

The customer always, always, always calls the shots because if you have no customers, you have no business.

And for Twitter, the customers are the advertisers.

He could actually turn this around if he were to get a Shotwell-level CEO to run Twitter and go back to just sending stupid tweets. But that would involve him admitting that he isn't as smart as he thinks he is and that will never happen.
 
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He could actually turn this around if he were to get a Shotwell-level CEO to run Twitter and go back to just sending stupid tweets.
I don't think he could. The loss of institutional knowledge alone from all of the people he fired is going to be fatal to the site probably sooner rather than later. If they can't keep stuff like 2FA or copyright detection working, what happens when something really vital breaks down?
 
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What did you all used to say to people who complained about twitter.

"Leave if you don't like it, it's their platform, their rules"

Now, it's effecting you personally, well you all sing a different tune.

Liberal logic at its best. two faced, hypocritical.
The fuck are you talking about? People are leaving twitter in droves.
 
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What did you all used to say to people who complained about twitter.

"Leave if you don't like it, it's their platform, their rules"

Now, it's effecting you personally, well you all sing a different tune.

Liberal logic at its best. two faced, hypocritical.
Well, a lot of us "hypocritical liberals" are leaving and Elon is crying about it. Not sure about the "different tune" we're singing.
 
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What did you all used to say to people who complained about twitter.

"Leave if you don't like it, it's their platform, their rules"

Now, it's effecting you personally, well you all sing a different tune.

Liberal logic at its best. two faced, hypocritical.
So, to be clear, you're upset that the advertisers are pulling out because of the "rules" changes Musk is doing?

What does that have to do with us?

And, oh yeah, people are leaving too. You want people to do that, right? Why are you upset?
 
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I live three miles away from Musk's version of what I believe is becoming Helstrom's Hive.

Bastrop County Texas has: a Boreing Company testsite with illegal housing, SpaceX is building a "shell" warehouse across the street, Neuralink has been mentioned somewhere. I'm just waiting for Twitter to announce that the hardcore programers are being relocated to Bastrop to protect them from mean activists/outsiders.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...5fb9aa-996a-11ec-9987-9dceee62a3f6_story.html
https://www.statesman.com/story/bus...-million-facility-in-austin-area/65470736007/
 
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“A large coalition of political/social activist groups agreed not to try to kill Twitter by starving us of advertising revenue if I agreed to this condition,” Musk tweeted. “They broke the deal.”

Some activists who attended the meeting tweeted to confirm that they never made such a deal with Musk,...
Musk taking lessons on how to lie from the Orange One. Don't just lie, layer your lies deep. That way critics have to work harder to untangle the lies.

Claim your critics are doing something without evidence. Then claim they backed out of a deal to stop doing it.
 
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Gilbert and Sullivan gave the correct approach for all matters concerning an emperor:

Ko-Ko (the Lord High Executioner) explaining why he has falsely reported an execution: "It's like this: When your Majesty says, "Let a thing be done," it's as good as done — practically, it is done — because your Majesty's will is law. Your Majesty says, "Kill a gentleman," and a gentleman is told off to be killed. Consequently, that gentleman is as good as dead — practically, he is dead — and if he is dead, why not say so?"

Today Emperor Musk has revealed the correctness of the matter to the world. It would be unseemly for us to sully this effulgent revelation with tawdry facts and mundane matters of truth.
 
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What did you all used to say to people who complained about twitter.

"Leave if you don't like it, it's their platform, their rules"

Now, it's effecting you personally, well you all sing a different tune.

Liberal logic at its best. two faced, hypocritical.
The advertisers are leaving because they dont like it. Whats hypocritical about that?
 
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What did you all used to say to people who complained about twitter.

"Leave if you don't like it, it's their platform, their rules"

Now, it's effecting you personally, well you all sing a different tune.

Liberal logic at its best. two faced, hypocritical.
Dafuq? That doesn't even make any sense. From any perspective.

Musk is complaining that people are leaving Twitter. People, from advertisers to users, are leaving Twitter. That's literally what he's whining about. He's mad that "they" -- pretty close to (((they))) to be honest -- aren't, what, following up a bargain they didn't make in the first place?

He's just walking around with shit on his shoe, and trying to tell the world the smell's coming from elsewhere, instead of looking at his shoe. Even when people have said "Hey, Elon, you've got shit on your shoe."

Nope, no shit on his shoe. Must be those goddamn liberals. Instead of, you know, the shit on his shoe.
 
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And it was all so damnably predictable. Loosen the restrictions on what you can say, and people will start saying terrible things. Have a community filled with toxic speech, and you will lose advertisers. Long before Mr. Musk took control of the company, this was the expected outcome.

Of course, nobody expected it to all happen quite so quickly, because no rational actor would axe half his staff a week after taking control of a company (you generally want to understand who does what and how the business operates before cutting off jobs you feel are superfluous). And all the chaos that followed are directly a result of Mr. Musk's own actions.

Advertisers - and businesses in general - do not like chaos. They like order, they like predictability. They like knowing when the money is going out, and when the money is coming back in. They like knowing what they are paying for. They depend on this knowledge in order to plan future business moves. But with Twitter, they aren't sure what they're getting. Will their brand tomorrow be next to some tweet promoting genocide? With Twitter's user population crashing, will their advert be seen by enough people to make the cost of the ad worth it? Will the service even exist in a month?

A clever businessperson might see all this and say, "hey, I'm causing too many waves. I'm scaring away the advertisers I depend on. I need to make Twitter look like a reliable business partner again. I need to shut up and get myself - and my company - out of the news." But Mr. Musk is doing none of these things, and then wondering why people are starting to look askance at his personal brand and reputation.

TL;DR: If you shoot yourself in the foot, the first thing you need to do is stop pulling the trigger.
 
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I live three miles away from Musk's version of what I believe is becoming Helstrom's Hive.

Bastrop County Texas has: a Boreing Company testsite with illegal housing, SpaceX is building a "shell" warehouse across the street, Neuralink has been mentioned somewhere. I'm just waiting for Twitter to announce that the hardcore programers are being relocated to Bastrop to protect them from mean activists/outsiders.

<edit grammar.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...5fb9aa-996a-11ec-9987-9dceee62a3f6_story.html
https://www.statesman.com/story/bus...-million-facility-in-austin-area/65470736007/
Soon he'll start paying them all in scrip.
 
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Why is it so many conservative leaders think it's fine to just make up stuff and lie all the time when things don't go their way?
Because conservatives are dishonest people and will never call out a fellow conservative who states an obvious and provable lie.
 
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And it was all so damnably predictable. Loosen the restrictions on what you can say, and people will start saying terrible things. Have a community filled with toxic speech, and you will lose advertisers. Long before Mr. Musk took control of the company, this was the expected outcome.

Of course, nobody expected it to all happen quite so quickly, because no rational actor would axe half his staff a week after taking control of a company (you generally want to understand who does what and how the business operates before cutting off jobs you feel are superfluous). And all the chaos that followed are directly a result of Mr. Musk's own actions.

Advertisers - and businesses in general - do not like chaos. They like order, they like predictability. They like knowing when the money is going out, and when the money is coming back in. They like knowing what they are paying for. They depend on this knowledge in order to plan future business moves. But with Twitter, they aren't sure what they're getting. Will their brand tomorrow be next to some tweet promoting genocide? With Twitter's user population crashing, will their advert be seen by enough people to make the cost of the ad worth it? Will the service even exist in a month?

A clever businessperson might see all this and say, "hey, I'm causing too many waves. I'm scaring away the advertisers I depend on. I need to make Twitter look like a reliable business partner again. I need to shut up and get myself - and my company - out of the news." But Mr. Musk is doing none of these things, and then wondering why people are starting to look askance at his personal brand and reputation.

TL;DR: If you shoot yourself in the foot, the first thing you need to do is stop pulling the trigger.
While it was predictable (and was predicted), given the changes Musk made from day 1, the damage has already been done and no amount of stepping back or putting someone competent in charge is going to fix Twitter in the short term. It may survive, but it will be a very long time before it will ever be trustworthy again (if it really ever was).
 
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