Elon Musk, Twitter’s next owner, provides his definition of “free speech”

Amid Twitter buyout, Musk says free speech is simply "that which matches the law."

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[graylshaped]

Spoiler

One cannot put a price on the outrage, the woke outrage on display in this Arstechnica forum. It’s epic and I must say quite enjoyable to read.
Musk lives rent free in the minds of these woke people.

It was fun seeing these people go from "no private platform is obligated to host your speech, biatch!" to "whaaa! a private platform is getting a new owner and the new owner will make changes to what they host that I don't like!" practically overnight.

Personally, I don't think Elon Musk will allow people to proverbially shit on the floor (like 4chan does for example). After all, Twitter has to make money to pay back the leveraged buyout loans, which means it has to remain attractive to advertisers. I'd be more worried about what will happen during the transition period (considering Twitter has already gone into "code freeze").

The real reason the wokes are annoyed so much is that they want the ability for them to say everything they want on Twitter (up to and including stating that "all they want for Christmas is white genocide" or stating they have the urge to "kneecap white men") while everyone else must be subjected to much higher scrutiny (reaching censorship levels).

The kind of "moderation" we get on Ars is a good indicator of what those people mean by "moderation". For example, yesterday I was banned from Ars for posting "stupid meme images", despite the fact other users are allowed post equally stupid My Little Pony meme images on nearly every thread. When I contacted the mods about it, they said the pony memes were "grandfathered in".

In plain English, wokes want the ability for themselves to proverbially shit on the floor, but not for anyone else. Elon Musk has promised to keep everyone to the same standards, and unsurprisingly the wokes are losing their minds.

What those of us who, unlike you, understand and support the concept of free speech understand is the difference between the right to do something, and doing the right thing.

Not a single pweson who was pointing out the fact twitter had the right to moderate as they see fit is saying they don't now.

What we're pointing out is that that Musk wants to change twitter from its currently doing the right thing of maximising free speech, to minmising participation in free speech by limiting who can take part in it.

Hippocracy - when ignorant trolls like kuroksdr claim that treating similar situations similarly and different situations differently is hypocrisy.

I thought "hippocracy" was the word to describe the Ars forums after a topic hits page 10. That is, "ruled by ponies."

I hate how the Ars forums are ruled by hippopotamuses.

Hippopotammi?

 

[Chemical Tribe]

I dismissed the allegation. Something to do with facts.

Bullshit, you ignored it, which means I accept your apology.

The fact you keep mentioning the same conversation from months ago means I struck a nerve somewhere. Otherwise you would have dismissed it right away. Yet you feel compelled to mention it every time you see my username, even in completely unrelated discussions about video codecs. Let go, even I barely remember that conversation.

No, it means I have the ability to remember who's who on this forum and know who are the obvious dumb trolls. That's not hard by any means. Questar and Dooderoo are apple trolls, purecarrot is a stupid android and russian troll, and your tell is you whine about people here being in a bubble. Wow, that's so fucking hard.

For that matter, it's been 30 years since I've had my first locker at school, and I STILL remember the combination. But I'm sure that has to do with the fact that the locker just lived in my head rent free huh?

You've posted barely over 1600 times vs my 24k. You recalling what happened months ago is just one page away in your posting history.

 

[ZippyPeanut]

"I love being a notorious pest because it validates me."

I bother, therefore I am?

Agitatito ergo sum.

 

[Lkmk]

Let's be honest, there is not much point in arguing with leftards masquerading as "liberals" (aka libtards) anymore. Everything has to be compliant with their ideology (and everyone not agreeing with them is obviously a "bigot") and they don't even try to present an objective argument anymore.

Projection. In the minds of conservatives, everyone who disagrees is a soyboy, NPC, or deep stater.

They may give you a pass IRL to avoid causing a stir like they gave religious nuts a pass 60 years ago, but really, you guys are insufferable to anyone not sharing your ideology.

More projection. I wonder if you realize you're doing it.

Anyway, in which safe space are you people going after Elon Musk acquires Twitter?

Truth Social.

 

[candycorn]

One cannot put a price on the outrage, the woke outrage on display in this Arstechnica forum. It’s epic and I must say quite enjoyable to read.
Musk lives rent free in the minds of these woke people.

It was fun seeing these people go from "no private platform is obligated to host your speech, biatch!" to "whaaa! a private platform is getting a new owner and the new owner will make changes to what they host that I don't like!" practically overnight.

Personally, I don't think Elon Musk will allow people to proverbially shit on the floor (like 4chan does for example). After all, Twitter has to make money to pay back the leveraged buyout loans, which means it has to remain attractive to advertisers. I'd be more worried about what will happen during the transition period (considering Twitter has already gone into "code freeze").

The real reason the wokes are annoyed so much is that they want the ability for them to say everything they want on Twitter (up to and including stating that "all they want for Christmas is white genocide" or stating they have the urge to "kneecap white men") while everyone else must be subjected to much higher scrutiny (reaching censorship levels).

The kind of "moderation" we get on Ars is a good indicator of what those people mean by "moderation". For example, yesterday I was banned from Ars for posting "stupid meme images", despite the fact other users are allowed post equally stupid My Little Pony meme images on nearly every thread. When I contacted the mods about it, they said the pony memes were "grandfathered in".

In plain English, wokes want the ability for themselves to proverbially shit on the floor, but not for anyone else. Elon Musk has promised to keep everyone to the same standards, and unsurprisingly the wokes are losing their minds.

Two quick things: first, did you actually read the article you linked to about "white genocide," which is not actually a thing outside of racist fever dreams? Because the professor was poking fun at a thing that the alt-right believes to be happening, which isn't actually happening. You know that, right? That "white genocide" complaints come from racists, unable to accept a world where they're not the majority, not in charge, and not socially acceptable any longer, right?

Ah... yes, the Schrödinger joker, aka posting vile stuff and then maybe say it's a joke depending on how people react.

Admit it, you've been shown to be completely wrong, and thus should admit it. Though I already know you won't, proven by your rants about San Francisco.

Funny too how everyone but you has been downvoted to oblivion but you still manage to get some upvotes. Funny too that people's replies to you follow that same trend.

It's how they argue. I had a couple downvotes on my responses calling white genocide an idiotic fake concept. An argument against that fact means you're coming very close to pushing white supremacist talking points, which gets you banned. So you get drive by posts that skirt the line and the occasional single digit downvotes.

Whoops, responded to the wrong person. That's what I get for half-reading the thread... Original comment in spoiler

Spoiler

"that fact"

Blatantly ignoring the severe racism of your post, a "white genocide" couldn't happen because of CRISPR. The complete extinction of humans due to climate change or nuclear war is the most likely scenario, but sure, keep on perpetuating 19th century ideas when we're well into the 21st...

 

[watermeloncup]

I dismissed the allegation. Something to do with facts.

Bullshit, you ignored it, which means I accept your apology.

The fact you keep mentioning the same conversation from months ago means I struck a nerve somewhere. Otherwise you would have dismissed it right away. Yet you feel compelled to mention it every time you see my username, even in completely unrelated discussions about video codecs. Let go, even I barely remember that conversation.

No, it means I have the ability to remember who's who on this forum and know who are the obvious dumb trolls. That's not hard by any means. Questar and Dooderoo are apple trolls, purecarrot is a stupid android and russian troll, and your tell is you whine about people here being in a bubble. Wow, that's so fucking hard.

For that matter, it's been 30 years since I've had my first locker at school, and I STILL remember the combination. But I'm sure that has to do with the fact that the locker just lived in my head rent free huh?

You've posted barely over 1600 times vs my 24k. You recalling what happened months ago is just one page away in your posting history.

Wasn't kurkosdr the guy who kept alive that excruciating thread on RMS by repeatedly defending Stallman's comments defending pedophilia? Will delete this if wrong.

 

[graylshaped]

"I love being a notorious pest because it validates me."

I bother, therefore I am?

Agitatito ergo sum.

That may become my second tattoo.

 

[Chemical Tribe]

I dismissed the allegation. Something to do with facts.

Bullshit, you ignored it, which means I accept your apology.

The fact you keep mentioning the same conversation from months ago means I struck a nerve somewhere. Otherwise you would have dismissed it right away. Yet you feel compelled to mention it every time you see my username, even in completely unrelated discussions about video codecs. Let go, even I barely remember that conversation.

No, it means I have the ability to remember who's who on this forum and know who are the obvious dumb trolls. That's not hard by any means. Questar and Dooderoo are apple trolls, purecarrot is a stupid android and russian troll, and your tell is you whine about people here being in a bubble. Wow, that's so fucking hard.

For that matter, it's been 30 years since I've had my first locker at school, and I STILL remember the combination. But I'm sure that has to do with the fact that the locker just lived in my head rent free huh?

You've posted barely over 1600 times vs my 24k. You recalling what happened months ago is just one page away in your posting history.

Wasn't kurkosdr the guy who kept alive that excruciating thread on RMS by repeatedly defending Stallman's comments defending pedophilia? Will delete this if wrong.

Not sure, but he took RMS' side of course, because you know, "cancel culture" or some other horse shit.

To the surprise of no one, he couldn't even get basic words right.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1475747&start=760

 

[Chemical Tribe]

I dismissed the allegation. Something to do with facts.

Bullshit, you ignored it, which means I accept your apology.

I dismissed the allegation and I am denying it now.

Now can we get back on-topic?

No.

 

[Sjoerd Verweij]

I dismissed the allegation. Something to do with facts.

Bullshit, you ignored it, which means I accept your apology.

I dismissed the allegation and I am denying it now.

Now can we get back on-topic?

So you're going to pretend your idiotic bullshit about San Francisco wasn't refuted? Gosh, I am shocked.

 

[watermeloncup]

I dismissed the allegation. Something to do with facts.

Bullshit, you ignored it, which means I accept your apology.

The fact you keep mentioning the same conversation from months ago means I struck a nerve somewhere. Otherwise you would have dismissed it right away. Yet you feel compelled to mention it every time you see my username, even in completely unrelated discussions about video codecs. Let go, even I barely remember that conversation.

No, it means I have the ability to remember who's who on this forum and know who are the obvious dumb trolls. That's not hard by any means. Questar and Dooderoo are apple trolls, purecarrot is a stupid android and russian troll, and your tell is you whine about people here being in a bubble. Wow, that's so fucking hard.

For that matter, it's been 30 years since I've had my first locker at school, and I STILL remember the combination. But I'm sure that has to do with the fact that the locker just lived in my head rent free huh?

You've posted barely over 1600 times vs my 24k. You recalling what happened months ago is just one page away in your posting history.

Wasn't kurkosdr the guy who kept alive that excruciating thread on RMS by repeatedly defending Stallman's comments defending pedophilia? Will delete this if wrong.

Not sure, but he took RMS' side of course, because you know, "cancel culture" or some other horse shit.

To the surprise of no one, he couldn't even get basic words right.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1475747&start=760

Thanks for digging that up. So exactly the same stupid arguments. The cancel culture bogeyman really destroys the brains of some people.

 

[Fancy Internet Person]

I dismissed the allegation. Something to do with facts.

Bullshit, you ignored it, which means I accept your apology.

The fact you keep mentioning the same conversation from months ago means I struck a nerve somewhere. Otherwise you would have dismissed it right away. Yet you feel compelled to mention it every time you see my username, even in completely unrelated discussions about video codecs. Let go, even I barely remember that conversation.

No, it means I have the ability to remember who's who on this forum and know who are the obvious dumb trolls. That's not hard by any means. Questar and Dooderoo are apple trolls, purecarrot is a stupid android and russian troll, and your tell is you whine about people here being in a bubble. Wow, that's so fucking hard.

For that matter, it's been 30 years since I've had my first locker at school, and I STILL remember the combination. But I'm sure that has to do with the fact that the locker just lived in my head rent free huh?

You've posted barely over 1600 times vs my 24k. You recalling what happened months ago is just one page away in your posting history.

Wasn't kurkosdr the guy who kept alive that excruciating thread on RMS by repeatedly defending Stallman's comments defending pedophilia? Will delete this if wrong.

Not sure, but he took RMS' side of course, because you know, "cancel culture" or some other horse shit.

To the surprise of no one, he couldn't even get basic words right.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1475747&start=760

Thanks for digging that up. So exactly the same stupid arguments. The cancel culture bogeyman really destroys the brains of some people.

Yeah, he's just a jackass who posts merely to provoke and isn't informed or clever enough to make it work.

When spoon-fed enough evidence, he pretends that he never could have found that evidence on his own and -obviously- was -never- arguing for the shitty position he was obviously arguing for in dozens of posts.

ETA: viewtopic.php?p=39876032#p39876032

Hey kurk, remember when you were gonna sue me for libel/slander?

Then remember how you tried to revive that thread months later?

 

[Uragan]

I dismissed the allegation. Something to do with facts.

Bullshit, you ignored it, which means I accept your apology.

The fact you keep mentioning the same conversation from months ago means I struck a nerve somewhere. Otherwise you would have dismissed it right away. Yet you feel compelled to mention it every time you see my username, even in completely unrelated discussions about video codecs. Let go, even I barely remember that conversation.

No, it means I have the ability to remember who's who on this forum and know who are the obvious dumb trolls. That's not hard by any means. Questar and Dooderoo are apple trolls, purecarrot is a stupid android and russian troll, and your tell is you whine about people here being in a bubble. Wow, that's so fucking hard.

For that matter, it's been 30 years since I've had my first locker at school, and I STILL remember the combination. But I'm sure that has to do with the fact that the locker just lived in my head rent free huh?

You've posted barely over 1600 times vs my 24k. You recalling what happened months ago is just one page away in your posting history.

Wasn't kurkosdr the guy who kept alive that excruciating thread on RMS by repeatedly defending Stallman's comments defending pedophilia? Will delete this if wrong.

Yep! And I see he's just as trash now as he was then.

 

[Chemical Tribe]

I dismissed the allegation. Something to do with facts.

Bullshit, you ignored it, which means I accept your apology.

The fact you keep mentioning the same conversation from months ago means I struck a nerve somewhere. Otherwise you would have dismissed it right away. Yet you feel compelled to mention it every time you see my username, even in completely unrelated discussions about video codecs. Let go, even I barely remember that conversation.

No, it means I have the ability to remember who's who on this forum and know who are the obvious dumb trolls. That's not hard by any means. Questar and Dooderoo are apple trolls, purecarrot is a stupid android and russian troll, and your tell is you whine about people here being in a bubble. Wow, that's so fucking hard.

For that matter, it's been 30 years since I've had my first locker at school, and I STILL remember the combination. But I'm sure that has to do with the fact that the locker just lived in my head rent free huh?

You've posted barely over 1600 times vs my 24k. You recalling what happened months ago is just one page away in your posting history.

Wasn't kurkosdr the guy who kept alive that excruciating thread on RMS by repeatedly defending Stallman's comments defending pedophilia? Will delete this if wrong.

Not sure, but he took RMS' side of course, because you know, "cancel culture" or some other horse shit.

To the surprise of no one, he couldn't even get basic words right.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1475747&start=760

Thanks for digging that up. So exactly the same stupid arguments. The cancel culture bogeyman really destroys the brains of some people.

Yeah, he's just a jackass who posts merely to provoke and isn't informed or clever enough to make it work.

When spoon-fed enough evidence, he pretends that he never could have found that evidence on his own and -obviously- was -never- arguing for the shitty position he was obviously arguing for in dozens of posts.

ETA: viewtopic.php?p=39876032#p39876032

Hey kurk, remember when you were gonna sue me for libel/slander?

Then remember how you tried to revive that thread months later?

He's above mindless troll level, fwiw. Course, that's not saying much, it just means we have to watch where your finger is on the phone when replying.

 

[Deleted member 817175]

To try to end the back and forth, I'll try to explain what I think is O/Siris' position:

Speech itself is the only thing not to be interfered with. That Musk terminated a business relationship, does not affect the customer's ability to continue to complain. Therefore, even though many might judge that kind of retaliation for speech to be in violation of the principle, since no speech is suppressed, there's no violation of the principle.

Basically, you can do anything (legal) you want so long as the customer's ability to speak is not affected.

I think it's a bit of motivated reasoning to narrow the context as to what constitutes adherence to the principle and probably can't survive careful scrutiny as a guiding principle but there it is.

If that truly is his position it is no less impressive.

It is never "only" about speech. It is always a business relationship.

When you join this forum, and when you join Twitter, and basically any other Internet service, you agree to a contract. Under that contract, the pltaform agrees to provive you certain services provided you meet certain obligations. That contract frequently contains certain commitments about what you will and will not say.

Unlike actual censorship, when you violate this contract, you will not go to jail. The police will not come to your house in the middle of the night. A court will not order you to stop saying something.

But the other side of the contract may decide that your business relationship must now come to an end because you are in breach of it.

As always it is both unsurprising and sardonically humorous to learn that conservatives claim that in the name of getting back to what America used to be, we need to eliminate contract law.

It is equally unsurprising that Musk opposes being bound by contracts, since he doesn't even consider himself bound to follow the law, and the relevant court appears to agree with him. A Twitter without contracts won't be a "free" one. It will simply be arbitrary rule where whatever the Muskovites think is good speech will be promoted, and whatever they think is bad speech will be banned.

 

[orwelldesign]

Discussing the hypothetical types of transition and surgery plans of hypothetical future partners can also veer really gross and objectifying really quickly.

Date who you want and have sex with who you want, but also, there's no deception involved.

Also also, your preference in who you fuck should not factor into treating people with dignity and respect.

"...have sex with who you want..."

Easier said than done. Jeri Ryan thinks I'm a creep.

I've never understood how people can be sexually attracted to water balloons. I personally prefer human bodies.

I was just joking. I'm not really attracted to Jeri Ryan. But I have always been sexually attracted to Iggy Pop. Does that meet with your approval?

Not gonna lie, I'm not super attracted to Jeri Ryan either.

But I'm super into 7 of 9.

Same with Gamora -- she's my "celebrity free pass." Not Zoe Saldana, Gamora. My wife is okay with this. She will not, however, paint herself green. I've asked.

Edit: delete extra r in Gamora

 

[Chemical Tribe]

Discussing the hypothetical types of transition and surgery plans of hypothetical future partners can also veer really gross and objectifying really quickly.

Date who you want and have sex with who you want, but also, there's no deception involved.

Also also, your preference in who you fuck should not factor into treating people with dignity and respect.

"...have sex with who you want..."

Easier said than done. Jeri Ryan thinks I'm a creep.

I've never understood how people can be sexually attracted to water balloons. I personally prefer human bodies.

I was just joking. I'm not really attracted to Jeri Ryan. But I have always been sexually attracted to Iggy Pop. Does that meet with your approval?

Not gonna lie, I'm not super attracted to Jeri Ryan either.

But I'm super into 7 of 9.

Same with Gamora -- she's my "celebrity free pass." Not Zoe Saldana, Gamorra. My wife is okay with this. She will not, however, paint herself green. I've asked.

7o9 looked her best when they let her wear normal clothes with her hair down. The dumb catsuit was totally unnecessary.

 

[kurkosdr]

I dismissed the allegation. Something to do with facts.

Bullshit, you ignored it, which means I accept your apology.

The fact you keep mentioning the same conversation from months ago means I struck a nerve somewhere. Otherwise you would have dismissed it right away. Yet you feel compelled to mention it every time you see my username, even in completely unrelated discussions about video codecs. Let go, even I barely remember that conversation.

No, it means I have the ability to remember who's who on this forum and know who are the obvious dumb trolls. That's not hard by any means. Questar and Dooderoo are apple trolls, purecarrot is a stupid android and russian troll, and your tell is you whine about people here being in a bubble. Wow, that's so fucking hard.

For that matter, it's been 30 years since I've had my first locker at school, and I STILL remember the combination. But I'm sure that has to do with the fact that the locker just lived in my head rent free huh?

You've posted barely over 1600 times vs my 24k. You recalling what happened months ago is just one page away in your posting history.

Wasn't kurkosdr the guy who kept alive that excruciating thread on RMS by repeatedly defending Stallman's comments defending pedophilia? Will delete this if wrong.

Not sure, but he took RMS' side of course, because you know, "cancel culture" or some other horse shit.

To the surprise of no one, he couldn't even get basic words right.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1475747&start=760

Thanks for digging that up. So exactly the same stupid arguments. The cancel culture bogeyman really destroys the brains of some people.

ETA: viewtopic.php?p=39876032#p39876032

Hey kurk, remember when you were gonna sue me for libel/slander?

I would if you weren't hiding behind a screen name. My point was and is that calling people things while hiding behind a screen name amounts to a meaningless insult. Hence my question still stands: "Would you make this bold assertion under your real name?" If not, it was and is a meaningless insult, period.


And let's be honest here, you like to call people bad things to instantly "win" arguments.

Here is you calling someone "racist" because they disagreed with you on a healthcare policy issue:
viewtopic.php?p=39979159#p39979159
despite being informed beforehand that Biden also has the same opinion on the issue and that it's a contentious topic within the Democratic party. I somehow doubt you would call any Democratic voters on the "wrong" side of the issue "racist" IRL. It's a forum tactic you like to use. A disingenuous one.

 

[Chemical Tribe]

You know if it weren't for trolls we'd only be at page 3 of comments. But nooooooo.

 

[Fancy Internet Person]

I guess in light of the pending litigation, I better not dig myself in any deeper.

Kurk and his 2 alt accounts are coming for me (or am I to believe everyone you hate organically gets 3 downvotes, and that there are two people who aren't you who upvote your trash)?

Pathetic.

Free speech now seems to mean making legal threats over hurt feelings.

 

[Uragan]

Hey kurk, remember when you were gonna sue me for libel/slander?

I would if you weren't hiding behind a screen name. My point was and is that calling people things while hiding behind a screen name amounts to a meaningless insult. Hence my question still stands: "Would you make this bold assertion under your real name?" If not, it was and is a meaningless insult, period.


And let's be honest here, you like to call people bad things to instantly "win" arguments.

Here is you calling someone "racist" because they disagreed with you on a healthcare policy issue:
viewtopic.php?p=39979159#p39979159
despite being informed beforehand that Biden also has the same opinion on the issue and that it's a contentious topic within the Democratic party. I somehow doubt you would call any Democratic voters on the "wrong" side of the issue "racist" IRL. It's a forum tactic you like to use. A disingenuous one.

You could theoretically sue to force Ars to give up FIP's IP address... and you'd probably be able to sue their ISP to find out who exactly they are... but you won't, because you're all bark and no bite.

 

[Chemical Tribe]

I guess in light of the pending litigation, I better not dig myself in any deeper.

Kurk and his 2 alt accounts are coming for me (or am I to believe everyone you hate organically gets 3 downvotes, and that there are two people who aren't you who upvote your trash)?

Pathetic.

Free speech now seems to mean making legal threats over hurt feelings.

Nah, post this thread on Twitter somewhere, with #fundingsecured

 

[Sjoerd Verweij]

It's a forum tactic you like to use. A disingenuous one.

You mean like saying idiotic shit about San Francisco, getting called on it, and then pretending it never happened and demand to get back on topic?

 

[Sjoerd Verweij]

Kurk and his 2 alt accounts are coming for me (or am I to believe everyone you hate organically gets 3 downvotes, and that there are two people who aren't you who upvote your trash)?

Funny, I got only 2. Must have me blocked on one of them.

 

[Wheels Of Confusion]

"I love being a notorious pest because it validates me."

I bother, therefore I am?

Agitatito ergo sum.

That may become my second tattoo.

Agitattoo ergo sum

 

[Deleted member 817175]

Hey kurk, remember when you were gonna sue me for libel/slander?

I would if you weren't hiding behind a screen name. My point was and is that calling people things while hiding behind a screen name amounts to a meaningless insult. Hence my question still stands: "Would you make this bold assertion under your real name?" If not, it was and is a meaningless insult, period.


And let's be honest here, you like to call people bad things to instantly "win" arguments.

Here is you calling someone "racist" because they disagreed with you on a healthcare policy issue:
viewtopic.php?p=39979159#p39979159
despite being informed beforehand that Biden also has the same opinion on the issue and that it's a contentious topic within the Democratic party. I somehow doubt you would call any Democratic voters on the "wrong" side of the issue "racist" IRL. It's a forum tactic you like to use. A disingenuous one.

You could theoretically sue to force Ars to give up FIP's IP address... and you'd probably be able to sue their ISP to find out who exactly they are... but you won't, because you're all bark and no bite.

Or -- much better for conservatives -- we can just wait until Elon owns the platform, and then when somebody does something to annoy us, we can just have him publicize their personal information.

Which he'll have, thanks to the plan to "authenticate all humans."

Maybe once that info is in hand and ready to be shared even some of those dictatorships that decided they didn't like Twitter will be willing to open their doors to it again.

Everyone's a winner, except for the folks God clearly never loved anyway.

 

[watermeloncup]

I guess in light of the pending litigation, I better not dig myself in any deeper.

Kurk and his 2 alt accounts are coming for me (or am I to believe everyone you hate organically gets 3 downvotes, and that there are two people who aren't you who upvote your trash)?

Pathetic.

Free speech now seems to mean making legal threats over hurt feelings.

Wait, he's really saying that he'd sue you for libel for saying he's a racist?

IANAL, but if "pedo guy" isn't a successful libel case, there's no way in hell "racist" is. Calling someone a racist is protected speech because it's an opinion. And further, being a racist isn't illegal. I absolutely would call someone under my real name if I thought it was an accurate description.

 

[DovePig]

I dismissed the allegation. Something to do with facts.

Bullshit, you ignored it, which means I accept your apology.

I dismissed the allegation and I am denying it now.

Now can we get back on-topic?

Of course – here you go!

 

[Chemical Tribe]

It's a forum tactic you like to use. A disingenuous one.

You mean like saying idiotic shit about San Francisco, getting called on it, and then pretending it never happened and demand to get back on topic?

Chemical Tribe first brought up the San Francisco stuff, referring to a months-old thread he didn't even bother to link to (edit: link to the relevant comment with the initial reference by him here). He keeps bringing it up every time he sees my name for some inexplicable reason (as I said before, even in completely unrelated threads about video codecs that haven't even veered off-topic). I don't know why he is doing it, or how he expects anyone else in the thread to know what the hell he is talking about. I barely remember the original thread and can't be bothered to revisit.

Hey guess what, you still are fucking wrong about mpeg4, but this time, no one is going to upvote you.

And for a person not bothering to revisit it but posts links right to it? God this page is the best yet of comments.

Yesterday evening I didn't have time to post anything, so I just helped downvote trolls. Today is payback for you fuckers.

 

[Gary Patterson]

I would if you weren't hiding behind a screen name. My point was and is that calling people things while hiding behind a screen name amounts to a meaningless insult. Hence my question still stands: "Would you make this bold assertion under your real name?" If not, it was and is a meaningless insult, period.

Says the person posting under a pseudonym. Seriously, if you're going to complain that others do something, make sure you're not also doing that same thing. At least we've got your admission that your silly insults like "the wokes" are meaningless, just hot air from someone who won't even use their real name.

(sigh) We're not even getting good trolls these days. It's like watching cats play with a particularly stupid mouse. They're batting the poor thing around and the mouse doesn't realise it's just a toy and will soon be forgotten. Oh, to help you out, you're the mouse in that simile. Just in case you didn't get it.

 

[Deleted member 388703]

I guess in light of the pending litigation, I better not dig myself in any deeper.

Kurk and his 2 alt accounts are coming for me (or am I to believe everyone you hate organically gets 3 downvotes, and that there are two people who aren't you who upvote your trash)?

Pathetic.

Free speech now seems to mean making legal threats over hurt feelings.

Wait, he's really saying that he'd sue you for libel for saying he's a racist?

IANAL, but if "pedo guy" isn't a successful libel case, there's no way in hell "racist" is. Calling someone a racist is protected speech because it's an opinion. And further, being a racist isn't illegal. I absolutely would call someone under my real name if I thought it was an accurate description.

Opinions, especially ones based on disclosed / public facts, can't be defamatory. Kurok should only sue if he wants to give FIP a lot of money.

 

[watermeloncup]

I guess in light of the pending litigation, I better not dig myself in any deeper.

Kurk and his 2 alt accounts are coming for me (or am I to believe everyone you hate organically gets 3 downvotes, and that there are two people who aren't you who upvote your trash)?

Pathetic.

Free speech now seems to mean making legal threats over hurt feelings.

Wait, he's really saying that he'd sue you for libel for saying he's a racist?

IANAL, but if "pedo guy" isn't a successful libel case, there's no way in hell "racist" is. Calling someone a racist is protected speech because it's an opinion. And further, being a racist isn't illegal. I absolutely would call someone under my real name if I thought it was an accurate description.

Opinions, especially ones based on disclosed / public facts, can't be defamatory. Kurok should only sue if he wants to give FIP a lot of money.

Popehat's article on the cave diver in question has a lot of info on what it takes to prove a libel case. Worth reading if anyone is interested in learning just where the line is. According to Popehat, it was close enough that Unsworth had a case, but in the end the court saw otherwise and Musk musked his way out of it.

 

[RunSilent23]

Good thing we now have the Ministry of Information.

 

[Chemical Tribe]

You know if it weren't for trolls we'd only be at page 3 of comments. But nooooooo.

 

[appliance]

"Free speech laws vary widely by country"

So any that are more restrictive than the Constitution are as if they never existed. SCotUS previous decisions address that.

And that's a perfectly decent solution... If you only want your company to do business in the US. If Twitter doesn't poke its head out of the country, then, sure, the SPEECH Act will prevent any other country from enforcing any judgement whatsoever on it.

The moment Twitter has overseas assets, though, any government in a country where those assets reside doesn't need the help of US courts to enforce that judgement.

what the heck is the "speech act" and what does it have to do with behavior on private property?

 

[cwsars]

And that's a perfectly decent solution... If you only want your company to do business in the US. If Twitter doesn't poke its head out of the country, then, sure, the SPEECH Act will prevent any other country from enforcing any judgement whatsoever on it.

The moment Twitter has overseas assets, though, any government in a country where those assets reside doesn't need the help of US courts to enforce that judgement.

what the heck is the "speech act" and what does it have to do with behavior on private property?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPEECH_Act

This prohibits foreign jurisdictions from enforcing libel / slander claims against US-based defendants unless the foreign jurisdiction provides at least as much protection as the US 1st Amendment.

 

[ZippyPeanut]

Discussing the hypothetical types of transition and surgery plans of hypothetical future partners can also veer really gross and objectifying really quickly.

Date who you want and have sex with who you want, but also, there's no deception involved.

Also also, your preference in who you fuck should not factor into treating people with dignity and respect.

"...have sex with who you want..."

Easier said than done. Jeri Ryan thinks I'm a creep.

I've never understood how people can be sexually attracted to water balloons. I personally prefer human bodies.

I was just joking. I'm not really attracted to Jeri Ryan. But I have always been sexually attracted to Iggy Pop. Does that meet with your approval?

Not gonna lie, I'm not super attracted to Jeri Ryan either.

But I'm super into 7 of 9.

Same with Gamora -- she's my "celebrity free pass." Not Zoe Saldana, Gamora. My wife is okay with this. She will not, however, paint herself green. I've asked.

Edit: delete extra r in Gamora

You're a weirdo.