Amid Twitter buyout, Musk says free speech is simply "that which matches the law."
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Elon Musk, Twitter’s next owner, provides his definition of “free speech”
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Ah yes, like that time Leslie Jones was harassed off of Twitter by people she was following.
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I remember people saying "Give Trump a chance", and I did. It didn't take long for his true colors to show.
I expect Twitter to be free speech as much as I expect Fox News to be Fair and Balanced. Hopefully I'm wrong.
I expect Twitter to be free speech as much as I expect Fox News to be Fair and Balanced. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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While I personally agree that free speech principles should be applied more broadly and apply to things like the workplace and even social media, I also recognize that it will result in a number of scenarios where things can get complicated. I also tend to follow the libertarian notion that my rights end when they infringe upon someone else's. So, I would say that a lot of things should earn you a ban, like various *phobic comments attacking people over some aspect of who they are.
It's pretty clear that Musk didn't really think this through and has no real idea what he's getting himself into. He just wants a new toy and has way too much money. It seems equally clear this is going to turn into a situation where anything Musk doesn't like will magically fall outside the realm of free speech. Someone talking about how their Tesla was acting funny? Not allowed. Telsa employees wanting to try to unionize? Banned. People calling Musk a pedo guy?
It's pretty clear that Musk didn't really think this through and has no real idea what he's getting himself into. He just wants a new toy and has way too much money. It seems equally clear this is going to turn into a situation where anything Musk doesn't like will magically fall outside the realm of free speech. Someone talking about how their Tesla was acting funny? Not allowed. Telsa employees wanting to try to unionize? Banned. People calling Musk a pedo guy?
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We all knew what Trump was about before he ran for POTUS. Some people either liked what they saw or chose to ignore it because they thought it would hurt the libs.
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D'accord. And while giving some slack to the guy seems like a far stretch: If he implements law enforcement as content moderation, it might hit the right button. That will make it incredibly difficult, since the EU has different laws than the USA, f.i., that would be an interesting approach.
Seeing USA-nazi's post their crap, while Europeans cannot see their posts, f.i.
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Sure. Because other – actual – inventors haven't been complete assholes as well:Kara Swisher on Elon Musk:
My research leads me inescapably to the opinion that the major cause of the American Negro's intellectual and social deficits is hereditary and racially genetic in origin and, thus, not remediable to a major degree by practical improvements in the environment
Welcome to the birth of modern computing, ugh :vomit: !
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Umm OK, so can we make it that the law that free speech does not protect lies , and the law stops spam.
Then I can kind get behind his rather simplistic definition
I am all for opinion , just long as it's not a flat out lie
Then I can kind get behind his rather simplistic definition
I am all for opinion , just long as it's not a flat out lie
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Kara Swisher on Elon Musk:
I actually agree with the thrust of this that Elon is a complex human being whose contributions to humanity/society cut both ways.
But the notion that someone who has done some impressive things can’t be fascist or silly is absolutely ridiculous.
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Sure. Because other – actual – inventors haven't been complete assholes as well:Kara Swisher on Elon Musk:
My research leads me inescapably to the opinion that the major cause of the American Negro's intellectual and social deficits is hereditary and racially genetic in origin and, thus, not remediable to a major degree by practical improvements in the environment
Welcome to the birth of modern computing, ugh :vomit: !
That kind of content would be illegal in Europe (with good reason).
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So you think all the women who receive rape and death threats are following all those people harassing them?
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I am not sure we can take Musk either literally or seriously at this point. While Twitter is not the platform for nuanced discussion of complicated topics, his comments in various media appear to lack even a basic grounding in the topics on which he's opining.
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Kara Swisher on Elon Musk:
I actually agree with the thrust of this that Elon is a complex human being whose contributions to humanity/society cut both ways.
But the notion that someone who has one some impressive things can’t be fascist or silly is absolutely ridiculous.
I generally like Kara Swisher, but I think she's often too credulous about the motivations of people like Musk.
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My head will short circuit, so I'll say this in the most civil and nice way possible before that happens: freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences is the whole goddamn point. The entire rallying cry for "free speech" by Musk, Trump, and their ilk is them railing against the consequences of what they said.
Like... I legit never thought I would see "free speech is not freedom from consequences" being unironically used in defense of Musk. Jfc.
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Consequences? Like having your posts deleted or being banned from a website for violating its rules?
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Ironically, this is a business space already occupied by 4chan, and not doing well financially.
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it's way better if you do latest tweets rather than letting the rage-maximization algorithm choose what to show you.
The other trick I recently learned is to set your location for trends to someplace else in the world. Cleans the trending up and can sometimes be interesting to see what people in, say, Costa Rica are talking about.
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Musk is going to break every rule about Tweeting as part of the acquisition deal and absolutely nothing of consequence will happen to him.
I am going firmly on the record that the awesome "'free' speech" model Elon has cooked up to improve Twitter revenues will literally be "paid speech" that allows political campaigns to pay for prioritization in the algorithm.
I am going firmly on the record that the awesome "'free' speech" model Elon has cooked up to improve Twitter revenues will literally be "paid speech" that allows political campaigns to pay for prioritization in the algorithm.
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I am pretty sure any such women were just asking for it! (do I really need to add the /S in here?)So you think all the women who receive rape and death threats are following all those people harassing them?
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Publishing Musk's plane flights is not illegal
Shorting Tesla is not illegal.
Calling Musk an asshole is not illegal.
Bet those disappear from Twitter...
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Snarky Robot
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Some people will do or say just about anything for that next serotonin hit.
When you cultivate a personality that lacks any introspection, all you have is external validation to rely upon. If someone pats you on the head for being just a little hateful, and others call you out for it, you lean into being shitty because it’s easier than looking inward at yourself and judging yourself. All of those memes about how criticizing someone for a shitty idea makes them more beholden to it aren’t entirely wrong, but they miss the point: it’s the fault of the person so easily mislead.
I honestly doubt Elon Musk started here. But he clearly craves attention and praise and he’s more likely to get that by yielding to shitty people than he is to being decent. Being decent is hard. Being decent requires you to reassess and judge yourself, and accept that maybe while you thought you were being decent, your standard isn’t high enough.
For some, that’s too hard. So it’s the easy path: find people who will validate you being shitty…and drag you deeper into it.
When you cultivate a personality that lacks any introspection, all you have is external validation to rely upon. If someone pats you on the head for being just a little hateful, and others call you out for it, you lean into being shitty because it’s easier than looking inward at yourself and judging yourself. All of those memes about how criticizing someone for a shitty idea makes them more beholden to it aren’t entirely wrong, but they miss the point: it’s the fault of the person so easily mislead.
I honestly doubt Elon Musk started here. But he clearly craves attention and praise and he’s more likely to get that by yielding to shitty people than he is to being decent. Being decent is hard. Being decent requires you to reassess and judge yourself, and accept that maybe while you thought you were being decent, your standard isn’t high enough.
For some, that’s too hard. So it’s the easy path: find people who will validate you being shitty…and drag you deeper into it.
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Can't agree with you more.So you think all the women who receive rape and death threats are following all those people harassing them?
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Kara Swisher on Elon Musk:
The idea that people working on important things can't be bad people has to be the dumbest logical leap ever.
The Nazis had lots of very smart people working on ways to destroy the armies of the free world and cover all of Europe and probably Africa in a genocidal dark age.
So one might want to remind her they even have people working on such important things like <gasp> rockets.
For some reason this came into my mind just now, can't think why. Nice tune, though...
Tom Lehrer":pnfwvorn said:
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Some people say Musk wants to bring freedom of speech to Twitter.
Some people understand the concept of free speech.
There is zero overlap between these two groups.
Some people understand the concept of free speech.
There is zero overlap between these two groups.
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Trump tweets run afoul of US federal law, so removing them, and banning the user that violated the TOS and law several times was correct and under current law.
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/r ... ction.html
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/r ... ction.html
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Don't forget he also fired an employee of his for talking on Youtube about his own privately purchased vehicle. Freedom of speech indeed. The only "free speech" Musk is interested in is that which he agrees with. If you have something contrary to his beliefs or opinions, you can expect to be banned from Twitter once he owns it.
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I wonder how strong the "deal terms that prohibit him from criticizing Twitter and its representatives" are? Because I don't think he's capable of keeping himself from doing that over the new few months (given he's already doing it).
This could turn into a free billion dollar cash infusion for Twitter if he's not careful.
This could turn into a free billion dollar cash infusion for Twitter if he's not careful.
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"That which follows the law" allows for a lot of harmful bullshit and discerning speech that flirts with or even crosses into illegality is sometimes not easy. Will Musk spend another $40 billion on attorneys as content moderators?
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Kara Swisher on Elon Musk:
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EDIT: I am a moron who couldn't read or comment properly, and my response is inaccurate thus I deleted it. My apologies. *facepalm*
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And yet people still continue to issue them against other Twitter users. And there's no reason to believe Elon is gonna crack down on them based on his vapid statements.So you think all the women who receive rape and death threats are following all those people harassing them?
Threats are obviously illegal, but let me remind you that freedom of speech doesn't guarantee that people won't be upset at your speech and harass you for it.
Also, the only thing illegal, at least in the US, are credible threats. Good luck convincing law enforcement that every such message is such a thing.
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