Is Firefox OK?

Mozilla’s privacy-heavy browser is flatlining but still crucial to future of the web.

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[ElCameron]

I use Firefox on all of my devices. No issues at all with performance or usability.

Weird. Every time I try to go Firefox I hit websites that have issues with it. I’ve switched to brave and feel like I’ve finally found a true cross platform alternative to chrome.

 

[Seferino]

I've been using Firefox before it even was version 1.x, and I still am. There was a certain time when multithreading became increasingly important, and Firefox took quite long to adapt (I think around 2012...2014). But it has. It is quick, reliable, it can be extended the way I want, and I can really only recommend it to others as the better alternative. Even Mac users (I use it there, too) should think of it as the better alternative to Safari, which is nowadays called "the IE of Apple".
I personally also cannot trust a browser that is made by an ad and search giant. That is too many interests put into one place.
I donate to Mozilla on a regular basis. You don't need to do this, but you should really try out Firefox - maybe even again, if you dropped it some time ago.

Sad story: there were prototypes of multi-process Firefox *without add-ons* around 2010. Continuing this effort was deprioritized in favour of Firefox OS and only released in 2017, because Mozilla knew that there was no good way to proceed without breaking XUL add-ons. During all this time, the Chrome team, in addition to being larger than the Firefox team, was more agile thanks to a more modern codebase *and* multi-process, which made a number of things easier (e.g. managing memory fragmentation, containing memory-related issues, etc.).

More details here. Also, see the flamewar in the comments to notice just how hard it is for Mozilla to make any change without getting screamed at by some of its users. At the time, several developers received rape threats because of ongoing refactorings within Firefox.

Source: I was one of the many developers involved in multi-process Firefox.


*edit* Typoes.

 

[Chemical Tribe]

I don't know how to explain to you the linear progression of time.

In 2008, Eich made a $1,000 donation to a California Proposition, in this case, Proposition 8.

7,001,084 people voted for it. 6,401,482 against. Eich's side won at the ballot.

In 2013, the Supreme Court decided that Proposition 8's defenders didn't have standing to defend it, and Proposition 8 became null and void forever.

In 2014, Eich was cancelled.

Is that linear progression of time a bit much for you?

Yes, it is. Thanks for confirmation you are playing a stupid troll with a wonderfully weak ass strawman argument.

 

[Sajuuk]

I don't know how to explain to you the linear progression of time.

In 2008, Eich made a $1,000 donation to a California Proposition, in this case, Proposition 8.

7,001,084 people voted for it. 6,401,482 against. Eich's side won at the ballot.

In 2013, the Supreme Court decided that Proposition 8's defenders didn't have standing to defend it, and Proposition 8 became null and void forever.

In 2014, Eich was cancelled.

Is that linear progression of time a bit much for you?

Oh, yeah, ya got me good. I see now that, uh, 6 years and 60 years are actually exactly the same. Organizations that split and reform over racist policy and individuals who show no personal change or remorse are also exactly the same.

Golly gee, it's just too much for me.

 

[kurkosdr]

Mozilla/Firefox needs a niche? I'll give them one (free of charge) - right here, right now.

You want me to stop using Chrome? Actively block ads 100% of the time. All ads all the time. Blacklist sites that pump out ads. Block nasty javascript that tries to load ads. Just do it. As a consumer, when a website breaks because they don't want to agree to the 'new' Firefox, I'll take on that battle as long as Firefox gives me the protection I ask for.

Then, to get revenue, because now you'll have a very strong niche of advocates, set out 'advertising guidelines' so that all ads must be non-intrusive, can only fit on a select portion of the screen, must not have pop-ups or music or anything - effectively 'newspaper' ads (they can't do anything other than exist).

Also, make semi-incognito the default (actively block all cookies that are known to be tracking/advertising). Cross-site scripting should be very limited too (and I really don't want to see a ton of sneaky iframes to get around this).

This, again.

Also, it doesn't take much technical ability today to make "semi-incognito" happen. Just make a GDPR auto-setup feature (that will decline non-essential cookies), and block the same scripts for non-EU users (essentially implementing GDPR at the browser level for non-EU users).

The biggest problem with Mozilla is that they are too concerned about not making Google (an advertiser) sad that nobody in the Mozilla bureaucracy is concerned about the fact that Google is slowly making Firefox irrelevant until they are confident enough to pull the sponsorship. It could happen as soon as next year.

 

[Seferino]

Is Focus primarily for phones, as opposed to desktops?

Focus is primarily for following links on your phone, rather than extended browsing sessions. It's extremely fast to load because it has extremely few features.

 

[TerranIV]

I guess we finally know why the internet has become such an awful place in the last decade: Chrome has taken over everything.

I can't imagine browsing the internet without Firefox. I despise every time I am forced to use Chrome. Why would anyone want to use Chrome? I just don't understand it. I guess most people have completely given up on privacy these days.

It makes me very sad that big corporations have practically taken over the web. Even "independent" companies all have to pay Google, Microsoft, Amazon, or Apple some money some way or another. We have four companies basically controlling the most important technology for news, business, entertainment, and public discourse.

The future of the web looks very bleak.

 

[kurkosdr]

I guess we finally know why the internet has become such an awful place in the last decade: Chrome has taken over everything.

The real problem is that Chrome has taken over everything while Mozilla is watching from the sidelines, lest they annoy Google.

As I 've said above, nobody in the Mozilla bureaucracy is concerned about the fact that Google is slowly making Firefox irrelevant until they are confident enough to pull the sponsorship. It could happen as soon as next year.

 

[Seferino]

To be precise:

* XUL abandoned and with it thousands of powerful extensions (a ton of them have never been reimplemented)

On that specific point, see here.

* Over the past decade most significant changes have been made behind closed doors or in bugzilla where only Mozilla employees are allowed to opine.

Not sure I follow that one. All changes have always been done on bugzilla. Bugzilla has never been a place to opine except on very technical points. It's not a discussion forum, it's a tool for following the dependencies between tasks and the progress of said tasks.

Mozilla has countless discussion forums, starting with Matrix (formerly IRC), where you can chat with developers.

 

[Goofball_Jones]

I only use Firefox. Sometimes I use Safari now and then, but that's it. No Chrome/Chromium based browser is on any of my computers. I've had no problems at all and Firefox has been very stable and fast.

 

[Seferino]

When Firefox became popular, I believe it was supported by DONATIONS. And it was used by people with a certain set of preferences.

When you start ordering everything around pleasing your "business partners", it's not a big surprise if you no longer please users. And when you try to go for the "bigger market" by making a worse copy of your competitor's product, it's not a big surprise if you don't capture any of their users, but lose your own.

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that the Google contracts started at the time of the Mozilla Suite, before there was even a Firefox.

 

[Trippynet]

This.

I used Firefox since back when it was known as Phoenix. It was my primary browser for many years, but I ended up dropping it back when they launched the "Australis" makeover. I didn't like the look of it as it was too similar to Chrome, but my biggest beef was just how much customisability they removed. That's been one of my constant criticisms ever since.

Firefox's USP used to be the flexibility and customisability that it had. Sadly, Mozilla seems to be determined to remove as much of this as possible, and hence for me one of the biggest reasons to use it has been steadily eroded. These days I typically use Pale Moon for most things (a Firefox fork that retains much of the customisability Mozilla removed), with Vivaldi being used for certain sites that don't play well with Pale Moon.

From time to time, I do try Firefox again, but it just doesn't have enough to tempt me back. Maybe this may change? I hope so as the web does need none-Chromium browsers.

Sad.

Australis added way more customization. The new theme was just that--a default theme. Easy to change, which I did. The changes to the internals really improved things for devs (except for those that had so much invested in their own old code that they refused to change anything). I developed tons of CSS for Firefox during the more than a decade that I used it. Fx 29 thru 50-something was a joy to use. Mozilla just made it not worth using anymore.

* Tabs below address bar? Not allowed with Australis.
* Moving the address bar? Not allowed with Australis.
* Want to move the forward/back icons? Australis blocked this.
* Status bar? Australis removed this.
* Small icons? Australis scrapped this as well.

Sorry, but for me that's a lot of removals of customisation, not adding. What new customisation options did it add? Honestly, I'm curious here.

 

[deedree]

I have always tried to support Firefox just to have diversity in the ecosystem. I still use it regularly on desktop but had to remove it for iOS due to recent UI changes that were driving me crazy. Specifically their choice to open a new tab every time I opened the app with no option to change the behavior back to opening to my last used tab (which is what I want my browser to do). I am now using Edge but wish FF had just left things alone and focused on improved performance and reliability instead of useless UI changes.

Ha! I got the same problem, couldn’t figure it out. But finally found it. In that new tab that opens it says: Customise Homepage just choose Last Tab and you got your old behaviour back! Idiotic they changed it without asking.

I scared for a minute I had to swap to Safari. Not that Firefox on iOs isn’t just a UI layer on top of it. Oh do I wish I could have my tweaked desktop Firefox on iOs as well!

 

[tigas]

Many people mention they don't like how Firefox apes Chrome. I think it's inevitable in this case; the early successes of Firefox came from copying features from Opera, which had to be purchased at the time, and releasing them for free. They haven't had success in any other way.

My opinion is that Firefox was cursed with money; they earned far too much for their needs and their merit, so they ended up squandering it on initiatives which they couldn't bring to fruition and on generous executive compensation. It would have been far better for them to create a fund which would have given them a regular source of income. I don't see how they can find an alternative source of funding once Google tires of sending them money. People who install Firefox are often sufficiently computer literate to set the search engine to the one they like, which would often be Chrome anyway.

Yet, although I don't hold the Mozilla Foundation in high regard, I do think besting Chrome was an impossible battle. Even Microsoft gave up creating their own browser. It makes sense in retrospect that they tried to grow outside of the browser market since they saw it was a dead end, but they're simply not skilled enough to succeed.

Opera offered a free-to-use ad-supported version version pretty early on, which was nothing more than a place in the UI for a standard web banner. There was no user tracking involved, it was dumb as a brick and most of the time it only showed the default ad for Opera itself.
Still, nobody used Opera because once upon a time they wanted to be paid for a product. IE came with Windows for free, Firefox was FOSS.
Opera was the true power-user's browser, and you didn't have to turn your browser into a rat's nest of dependencies and vulnerabilities with XUL extensions to do it.

But running after a "living standard" like the Web, and being blamed for not following every implementation variation from Microsoft, Apple or Google takes too many resources and millions of dollars. Opera died first, Trident next, and Gecko isn't feeling very well.

In the end, the "living standard" is going to be Blink's source code, and while Apple keeps taking the money with iOS, they can maintain their own fork, but if ever Apple finds itself in the same downward path they were in the mid-90's in the desktop, eventually Safari will also become a shell around Blink.

It's the "game of platforms": either you win or you're dead.

 

[stormcrash]

I don't understand all the complaints about loss of customization. The legacy XUL UI and extension framework were what were keeping Firefox lagging on the performance front, and that's what all the tech nerds who switched to Chrome back in 2010ish were complaining about

 

[Static and Noise]

I don't understand all the complaints about loss of customization.

Neither does Mozilla, hence why they will keep bleeding users.

 

[AER]

I still use Firefox on all my devices. But I stopped donating when I learned that the donations are mostly used to support other things, and not Firefox itself. I do hope it sticks around though.

 

[stormcrash]

I use Firefox on all of my devices. No issues at all with performance or usability.

Weird. Every time I try to go Firefox I hit websites that have issues with it. I’ve switched to brave and feel like I’ve finally found a true cross platform alternative to chrome.

Except Brave is still Chromium underneath so dependent on Google's technology. And if a website isn't performing right in Firefox it's almost certainly because the dev was lazy and only tested in chrome, just like the good old IE 6 days. If it's going to get better we as a tech community need to bite the bullet, power through some broken sites and yell at developers to actually be standards complaint, just like Firefox users had to do against IE 6.

FWIW I don't think I've ever had a page fail to load for me in FF

 

[EternalStudent07]

Firefox on Android still allows Ad/JavaScript Blocker add-ons. It's why I use it on my phone, and since I want my history on my desktop to be seamless...I use it there too.

 

[stormcrash]

I don't understand all the complaints about loss of customization.

Neither does Mozilla, hence why they will keep bleeding users.

It's a bizarre catch 22. Most browser users don't need/care about extreme UI customization. Yet Mozilla needs some of the people that do to be evangelists for them but those features were literally holding back the performance that general users do care about. Meanwhile those customization people are letting it loose to browsers that are even less flexible/customizable like Chrome. I don't get it and honestly I think they made the right call.

I do think the Quantum UI was a little better than the current one though. It was unique yet very comfortable. The new one is fine and fits in with other "modern" apps but it's a bit bland and monochrome

 

[Stray Toaster]

I use Firefox and Chrome, I would gladly drop Chrome if Firefox implemented a page translate function. I live over seas and that function in Chrome is super useful, and is really the only thing keeping me on Chrome at all on desktop.

 

[stormcrash]

The main reason I am moving away from Firefox is because it simply does not work for many commercial websites, and you can turn off all the privacy settings, and it still won't work. And you can't report it to Mozilla because they seemingly don't care if their product doesn't work. You can only submit comments if you sign in to their "Community." How does THAT promote privacy? An inoperable browser soon becomes a defunct browser - just ask Netscape.

You're treating the symptom of the problem by adding more disease. The problem isn't Firefox it's lazy website devs that either don't test or are deliberately breaking their sites on non Chrome based browsers. Firefox is standards compliant so non working sites are either using chrome specific features or doing some other non compliant design

 

[Deleted member 1]

Can we conclude that mostly only tech-savy people care about online privacy, and not the general public?

I get the impression that privacy gets a lot of attention due to the vocal minority. Seems that most people don't care, or atleast not as much to give up practicality and browser speed (which chrome is very good at).

I think t's true that folks who post here are almost in a world to themselves! Reading our posts, I get the sense that folks care about privacy and safety. But talking to many of my friends and I think all but one of my relations... they don't even think about Amazon or Google tracking (much less be bothered) - nor do they think about backing up their data either.

 

[AER]

The main reason I am moving away from Firefox is because it simply does not work for many commercial websites, and you can turn off all the privacy settings, and it still won't work. And you can't report it to Mozilla because they seemingly don't care if their product doesn't work. You can only submit comments if you sign in to their "Community." How does THAT promote privacy? An inoperable browser soon becomes a defunct browser - just ask Netscape.

What sites specifically? I use it every day and can't think of a time where a site didn't work.

 

[Static and Noise]

I don't understand all the complaints about loss of customization.

Neither does Mozilla, hence why they will keep bleeding users.

It's a bizarre catch 22. Most browser users don't need/care about extreme UI customization. Yet Mozilla needs some of the people that do to be evangelists for them but those features were literally holding back the performance that general users do care about. Meanwhile those customization people are letting it loose to browsers that are even less flexible/customizable like Chrome. I don't get it and honestly I think they made the right call.

The difference in customizability between FF & Chrome is, really, negligible today. And ofc, chromium-based Vivaldi is massively more customizable than FF.

FF could/should be a lot more customizable than it is. Mozilla very consciously is limiting that far more than necessary.

 

[Deleted member 1]

I use Firefox and Chrome, I would gladly drop Chrome if Firefox implemented a page translate function. I live over seas and that function in Chrome is super useful, and is really the only thing keeping me on Chrome at all on desktop.

You can easily add Translate This Page extension to Firefox. Translates webpage to your preferred language in real time as you scroll.

 

[fung0]

The decline of Firefox is a direct result of Mozilla's complete abandonment of - and outright contempt for - its original core users. Those of us who wanted real power and control in using the web, as opposed to the (admittedly larger) contingent that's content to sit back and accept whatever malware-laden, privacy-destroying bilge that sites want to pump out.

Today, I'm forced to use two different Firefox installs. To be more accurate, Waterfox installs, since that fork manages to ditch a few of Mozilla's most offensive blunders - especially its violations of user privacy.

One of these is an old version that still runs all my indispensable plugins, and offers the older, vastly more convenient UI. The other is up to date, since this is increasingly "required" by many web sites (for no good reason).

My newer browser is infinitely worse than the old one. It won't let me have more than a few tabs open, lacks the brilliant 'tab groups' feature, and generally degrades those few plugins that have survived the transition. It looks and works like a phone app, and deserves similar contempt.

The world needs at least one browser that is truly open and configurable - but Firefox is definitely no longer that browser. So it's understandable that users have drifted away to the most popular competitors. If my trusty older version of Waterfox ever stops working entirely, I'll probably shift to one of the niche browsers, like Vivaldi. Sadly, even those have failed miserably at being what Firefox once was.

 

[akurczyn]

Firefox does many things right and for me is particularly useful to be able to migrate back and forth between Windows and Linux by just copying the profile directory, or even soft-linking it from both OS. Same goes for Thunderbird which is , for me, the best free alternative to Microsoft's Outlook.

 

[AER]

I don't understand all the complaints about loss of customization.

Neither does Mozilla, hence why they will keep bleeding users.

It's a bizarre catch 22. Most browser users don't need/care about extreme UI customization. Yet Mozilla needs some of the people that do to be evangelists for them but those features were literally holding back the performance that general users do care about. Meanwhile those customization people are letting it loose to browsers that are even less flexible/customizable like Chrome. I don't get it and honestly I think they made the right call.

I do think the Quantum UI was a little better than the current one though. It was unique yet very comfortable. The new one is fine and fits in with other "modern" apps but it's a bit bland and monochrome

I think this is right, but there is another step too.

Some users were put off by how complex, unwieldy, and slow Firefox used to be, while others stuck around for the customization. Now Firefox is fast, clean, and simple, but with less customization. So those users who stuck around are leaving, but users who prefer a simple, fast browser aren't coming back because they are happy where they are (Chrome).

 

[tigas]

The main reason I am moving away from Firefox is because it simply does not work for many commercial websites, and you can turn off all the privacy settings, and it still won't work. And you can't report it to Mozilla because they seemingly don't care if their product doesn't work. You can only submit comments if you sign in to their "Community." How does THAT promote privacy? An inoperable browser soon becomes a defunct browser - just ask Netscape.

What sites specifically? I use it every day and can't think of a time where a site didn't work.

Yep, heard the same all the time about Opera (Presto) back then. "Works on my machine". It's the ticking time clock of a browser engine's death.

 

[stormcrash]

I don't understand all the complaints about loss of customization.

Neither does Mozilla, hence why they will keep bleeding users.

It's a bizarre catch 22. Most browser users don't need/care about extreme UI customization. Yet Mozilla needs some of the people that do to be evangelists for them but those features were literally holding back the performance that general users do care about. Meanwhile those customization people are letting it loose to browsers that are even less flexible/customizable like Chrome. I don't get it and honestly I think they made the right call.

The difference in customizability between FF & Chrome is, really, negligible today. And ofc, chromium-based Vivaldi is massively more customizable than FF.

FF could/should be a lot more customizable than it is. Mozilla very consciously is limiting that far more than necessary.

I tried vivaldi for a secondary browser for a bit and honestly it should be the poster child for why Mozilla ditched the rendered XUL UI. I found the Vivaldi UI to be notably slow and glitchy and it seemed to effect page loads too compared to Edge or Opera

 

[AER]

I don't understand all the complaints about loss of customization. The legacy XUL UI and extension framework were what were keeping Firefox lagging on the performance front, and that's what all the tech nerds who switched to Chrome back in 2010ish were complaining about

I don't care about customization myself, but I understand why losing it bothers people. Some people really care about it, and it was the main reason they used Firefox.

 

[AER]

I don't understand all the complaints about loss of customization.

Neither does Mozilla, hence why they will keep bleeding users.

It's a bizarre catch 22. Most browser users don't need/care about extreme UI customization. Yet Mozilla needs some of the people that do to be evangelists for them but those features were literally holding back the performance that general users do care about. Meanwhile those customization people are letting it loose to browsers that are even less flexible/customizable like Chrome. I don't get it and honestly I think they made the right call.

The difference in customizability between FF & Chrome is, really, negligible today. And ofc, chromium-based Vivaldi is massively more customizable than FF.

FF could/should be a lot more customizable than it is. Mozilla very consciously is limiting that far more than necessary.

I tried vivaldi for a secondary browser for a bit and honestly it should be the poster child for why Mozilla ditched the rendered XUL UI. I found the Vivaldi UI to be notably slow and glitchy and it seemed to effect page loads too compared to Edge or Opera

I tried Vivaldi on all my devices for a good while a few years ago, and eventually gave it up in frustration due to the glitches/crashes/weird behavior.

 

[tjukken]

To be precise:

* XUL abandoned and with it thousands of powerful extensions (a ton of them have never been reimplemented)

On that specific point, see here.

There were good reasons, as that article points out. But people aren't rational like that. All they saw, was that almost 20.000 addons became obsolete. Firefox became more like Chrome. So why not use the original? I think that's a major reason why Firefox lost market share, and still is losing it. There are no compelling features that can attract new users. "It's not Chrome" isn't a good sales pitch.

 

[fung0]

Another longtime desktop firefox user here. The massive performance improvements in v57 came at a cost, but ditching the security nightmare that was XUL was worth it.

Ditching XUL could have been done in a better way. It could have been replaced with an API that made plug-ins easier to develop and MORE functional. Instead, Mozilla quite deliberately prohibited entire classes of add-ons.

To be sure, some types of add-on inherently require a degree of trust. But that concern can be managed. In any case, it should be a choice made by the user. If everyone wanted a garden with a high wall around it, we'd all be on Apple devices and running Safari.

 

[tigas]

Another longtime desktop firefox user here. The massive performance improvements in v57 came at a cost, but ditching the security nightmare that was XUL was worth it.

Ditching XUL could have been done in a better way. It could have been replaced with an API that made plug-ins easier to develop and MORE functional. Instead, Mozilla quite deliberately prohibited entire classes of add-ons.

To be sure, some types of add-on inherently require a degree of trust. But that concern can be managed. In any case, it should be a choice made by the user. If everyone wanted a garden with a high wall around it, we'd all be on Apple devices and running Safari.

From the linked article, looks like it couldn't have been replaced with an API without forcing a full rewrite of most XUL extensions, which would amount to the same thing as dropping it entirely [edit: and delay Firefox for several more years treading water while Chrome jumped forward]. You're still in the bargaining phase, time to move to acceptance.

 

[Fatesrider]

I use Firefox mobile (not Focus). My big complaint is the same complaint I have about Windows, Android, iOS, and most other software actually. Too many UI changes, too often. I'm not against change: I loved Win 8 right away. I'm against making and undoing changes willy-nilly, and never giving us a choice in what works best for us. How much bloat would that really be, letting us like make Start bigger (full screen) in 11?

It took ages for the new extension catalog to grow, but it's mostly there now.

I have to agree that the change to the Proton UI was a major PITA at first.

But the Firefox community quickly rallied and came out with .css code that put things back where users wanted them.

The basic problem, though, is that it takes a more than above level of technical skill to find, create, edit and make sure a .css mod is working.

I read another excellent point about Firefox and business - no centralized management.

But the thought occurs to me that one could create an IDE for generating .css code that will at least make sure all the code is right, and could preview it using another profile before writing the thing to the default profile. Since the location will always be in the profiles section, finding the default profile automatically shouldn't be impossible, and it could write its own backup of the previous .css. It could add, replace, delete and tweak whatever code is there, and explain what the code does (or demonstrate it at "runtime"). And since the code you're "writing" is auto-generated based on what you want to tweak, if there's some incompatibility, it could check for that before running the preview (like debugging works), and explain the problem in simple language.

You could probably implement a way to get that distributed across a network, too.

There could even be two versions of the IDE - one for businesses, one for home users, and make them free.

That way, tweaking and fixing and whatnot would be faster, simpler and not require a huge amount of knowledge of .css code allowing for more centralized management for those who need that, and making it simpler for end users to modify and administer Firefox.

Hell, you could probably make it an add-on, for that matter and run it entirely from inside Firefox.

Or they could create a "customize" mode that lets you tweak the UI, move things around where you want them, size them the way you want them then set the changes to the .css so you get what you want on the fly.

The UI changes were not fun. A lot of people in the Mozilla community were quite unhappy about them. But when the alternatives are largely Chrome and Edge, well, fuck them. I like that I don't have Firefox nagging me to sign in all the time, and I'm not hemorrhaging data to Google, or Microsoft, as I browse. I hope Mozilla works out something by actually listening to their users. I love the privacy stuff, but changing UI's won't win the hearts of businesses, unless the business has fast, easy ways to create customized UI's that suit their environment.

Businesses could really benefit from a privacy-focused browser. Mozilla has a great selling point there. They just need to appeal to the business side. By making customizing their UI fast and simple for end users (even to the point of easily walking back any UI changes in the newest release), they'd have a pretty unique feature none of the others seem to have.

 

[SJDinAudubon]

They keep chasing a new Chrome-like feature or look while killing things I use regularly. I don't want that shit. I want the old customizable feature-rich Firefox experience I had back in the 2.0 days.
So many users eject after each interface overhaul or silent removal of basic functionality and Firefox's trademark customizability. Yet they kept doing it. Madness.

Quote for truth. If I wanted to use Chrome, I'd use Chrome.

I have a half dozen Add-ons installed that serve solely to roll back recent interface changes. Every new "update" has something that drives me crazy.